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Trading Correa would be bad business. You don't sign a top 5 player at a premium position and then trade him. You will never sign a top FA again and you get put on alot of no trade lists. 

The offense, despite the tendencies to strike out too often and in poor spots, is in good shape. Maybe look to add a MLB caliber C since Jeffers is out until sometime in September.

I trust the front office is in talks with teams in hopes of improving the pitching staff, and if no deals are made I will assume the asking price was too high.

 

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On 7/27/2022 at 9:45 PM, LA VIkes Fan said:

Agreed. We aren’t trading Correa. We can’t get much for him because of his contract and it sends the worst possible message to the team. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll get much at the deadline since we don’t have much to trade. Wallner and Steer aren’t enough for high end pitching and we don’t have much MiLB pitching to interest anyone. Maybe Larnach gets us something but I think he’s pretty much the only good trade chip we have unless we trade Kirilloff. I don’t think Miranda is going anywhere.

We have Larnach, Kirilloff, Austin Martin, Simeon Woods Richardson, Cade Povich, Edouard Julien, Spencer Steer, Matt Wallner, Winder, Encarnacion, Christian-Strand, Canterino, Kepler any one of whom could be included for a top pitcher. We have plenty to trade!

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On 7/28/2022 at 9:23 AM, Monkeypaws said:

Twins selling while in 1st place  sounds like a good recipe for establishing a losing culture.

 

Better to win a division and make the post-season than not, every time.

 

Nobody expected the Twins to win it all in 87 or 91 either.

For a more recent example, nobody expected that Braves to win it all last year (or for Eddie Rosario to play a big role in getting them there.)

I'm all for putting our name in the hat and taking our chances.  

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I've no idea what the Twins plan to do at the trade deadline, but the notion that the team has to buy because they are in first place is crumbling fast. As of tonight the Twins have a 1 game lead over Cleveland, and if they get passed they wouldn't even be in the lead for a wild card spot (they would be completely out of the playoffs based on the current standings). Looking at the team's trajectory there isn't a lot of cause for optimism since the franchise seems to be pretty clearly going in the wrong direction.

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1 minute ago, twins_89 said:

I've no idea what the Twins plan to do at the trade deadline, but the notion that the team has to buy because they are in first place is crumbling fast. As of tonight the Twins have a 1 game lead over Cleveland, and if they get passed they wouldn't even be in the lead for a wild card spot (they would be completely out of the playoffs based on the current standings). Based on the team's trajectory there isn't a lot of cause for optimism since the franchise seems to be pretty clearly going in the wrong direction.

They win the division three and two years ago, then were awful last year. So far, they are winning the division this year. I'm not sure the franchise is going in the wrong direction. But they need better pitching for sure to be legit contenders.

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1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

They win the division three and two years ago, then were awful last year. So far, they are winning the division this year. I'm not sure the franchise is going in the wrong direction. But they need better pitching for sure to be legit contenders.

I was talking about going the wrong direction during the current season. At the start of the year the Twins looked like a legitimate playoff team, but as the year has progressed they have very clearly been getting worse (mainly due to a severe lack of pitching). 

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I hate to see the Twins not take a shot even if there is only a slim chance if they make the playoffs. It's clear other teams are better but better teams don't always win it. Currently despite them being in 1st place, they are NOT playing good baseball. In June they went 12-15 and so far in July they are 9-11. Does anyone here think that if they don't add at least a couple of pitchers they will be in 1st place at the end of the regular season? I doubt it. And the way the ALEast teams are, the wild card will probably be out of reach so it's win the division or go home. So, you tell yourself they need to be buyers. But at what cost? Do you stick your neck out, mortage the future for this chance knowing the Yankees and Astros could sweep you (again) even with a couple of additions to the pitching staff? The Reds got a haul for Castillo. 3 of the 4 players were within the Mariners top 5 prospects listed. Getting a difference maker will not come cheap. Getting 2 could cost more top prospects than they can afford to lose. Is making a team currently playing below .500 ball better, so they are good enough to make the playoffs, worth it? 

I see the Twins getting 1 pitcher before the trade deadline and unfortunately it won't be a difference maker type pitcher everyone is hoping for.  Then when they fall out of the race they can at least say, they tried. 

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I am always for improving the team, but 2022-only moves are suddenly off the table for me. 

I wouldn't invest any but the slightest prospect capital in acquiring an expiring contract on a reliever, for instance. 

Now, if we can move some of the perceived logjam of "corner bats" and "middle infielders whose best position actually turns out to be 2B" throughout the organization, for anything at other positions where control extends into 2023 at a minimum, I'd be listening.

I'm afraid that the FO will conclude that, as usual, the trade deadline is not the time that gets you the best return, though.  And then after the World Series, no one wants our rule-5 guys because they're hoping to pick one off in the draft.  And then later in the off-season we can't trade from this excess, because, reasons.

We need pitching, and that is expensive to acquire.  If you are using bats in trade, it will always seem like an overpay.  And, thus, we sit, waiting for a self-drafted pipeline that never comes....

IOW, I am back, as I was last off-season, to believing that a change at the very top is on the table, as this franchise is being driven into the ground  FalVine are basically competent in most respects, but there are a lot of MBA-certified candidates out there anymore who meet that standard; but their gambles as to where the market inefficiencies are, notably players with less than pristine bills-of-health, are coming out on the wrong end more times than not.

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I sure don't want our team to be sellers, but if we get our a** kicked the next two games by the Pads...I might have to rethink that a bit. It would only take a couple real solid moves by the FO to get this thing going in the right direction. They absolutely have to get 2-3 quality arms in here, and maybe a catcher. That could do it. It's true, you don't have to have the "best" team to win it all. Just get to the dance and see how it plays out.  

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On 7/30/2022 at 1:00 PM, ashbury said:

I am always for improving the team, but 2022-only moves are suddenly off the table for me. 

I wouldn't invest any but the slightest prospect capital in acquiring an expiring contract on a reliever, for instance. 

Now, if we can move some of the perceived logjam of "corner bats" and "middle infielders whose best position actually turns out to be 2B" throughout the organization, for anything at other positions where control extends into 2023 at a minimum, I'd be listening.

I'm afraid that the FO will conclude that, as usual, the trade deadline is not the time that gets you the best return, though.  And then after the World Series, no one wants our rule-5 guys because they're hoping to pick one off in the draft.  And then later in the off-season we can't trade from this excess, because, reasons.

We need pitching, and that is expensive to acquire.  If you are using bats in trade, it will always seem like an overpay.  And, thus, we sit, waiting for a self-drafted pipeline that never comes....

IOW, I am back, as I was last off-season, to believing that a change at the very top is on the table, as this franchise is being driven into the ground  FalVine are basically competent in most respects, but there are a lot of MBA-certified candidates out there anymore who meet that standard; but their gambles as to where the market inefficiencies are, notably players with less than pristine bills-of-health, are coming out on the wrong end more times than not.

Ashbury I loved everything you wrote until the last paragraph.  This was a team that wasn’t supposed to be where they are at the beginning of the season.  Say what you will but the front office gave us a competitive team. Isn’t that all we can ask for?  They could have tanked this season and they didn’t. All levels of the minors are playing well this year but we are depleting depth with injuries at the MLB level.  We are a MASH unit right now, outfield catcher, pitcher 1st base.  It’s ugly.  Maeda may come back in Sept and maybe some get healthy.  
 

As stated the Twins will not overpay, so that is where today comes in.  I expect no less than 3 trades today possibly 4.  Could be buyer and seller situation, I have no idea but I think they will be creative and the Twins fans will be semi satisfied.  I hope we get some reinforcements. 

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