Twins should be sellers, not buyers..

[Vagnavs]

Hello,

I think it's clear the twins do not have the right pieces to win it all. Don't have the starting pitching, nor the relieving to do it.. I suggest they sell rather than be buyers..

I welcome your thoughts!

Brian

[Vanimal46]

Sell what, exactly?

[Vagnavs]

8 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Sell what, exactly?

Correa

[Nashvilletwin]

Your point is a good one, but it’s a tough call. After all, we still lead the division. But there are enough data points now to suggest that your supposition is accurate.

Re trades, I’d focus on moving anyone who is not going to be part of a ‘23-‘25 window. Move as much salary as possible. Keep anyone, big leaguer or prospect, who is viewed as more than likely to be part of that window. Anyone else - move if possible.

The downside is we might not get much of anything in return (I mean, can we get anything for Sanchez, Urshela, Kepler, Sano or even Correa other than some salary relief?).  Therefore, maybe we just end up playing it out with whom we have. I actually think that is where we could end up - we won’t do much at the deadline because we don’t want to part with any “muscle” (just too many holes to fill to make this a good risk/reward choice) and the “fat” won’t get us anything in return. 

[Vanimal46]

7 minutes ago, Vagnavs said:

Correa

 

[cHawk]

The Twins are not trading Correa

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Entirely disagree with selling. They are in first place in the central, 3rd in the Al in runs scored, 7th in the Al in runs against, and on pace for 86 wins.

a 2-3 strong pitchers added can go a long ways towards making a post season push this year. Even if they just hold on they can still win the division, and I absolutely hate watching a team give up.

im sick of losing and so far this season, they are winners! Let’s keep it that way

just say no to rebuilds

[Squirrel]

3 hours ago, Vagnavs said:

Correa

Oy ... we have had this discussion so many times, and I ask the same thing and no one ever answers ... sell him for what and to whom? First, no non-contending team will 'buy' him because they, too, will be sellers and they aren't going to 'buy' someone who will leave at the end of the season. Second, who of the contending teams need/want a SS? Third, what do you realistically expect to get for him? Either we pay all the salary and get some modest pieces in return, or we pay nothing of his salary and get less pieces in return. Remember the haul we thought we'd get for Santana? Expect the same for Correa. No one ... not one team ... will be able to afford his actual worth, so if you think we get comparable value, think again. Fourth, he has a limited trade clause ... which teams he doesn't want to be traded to, I don't know. And of course he might waive it. But ... there is that to consider. Fifth, just because the some think 'We won't win it all, so let's sell' ... I think that's a very poor philosophy. So, unless we have a Yankee or Dodger level of good, we should sell? I admit that I don't relish going up against the Yankees or Astros, but, imho, that is not a reason to sell because we are 'scared' of those teams. If every team thought that way, then let's just have the ALCS first thing in October between the Yankees and the Astros and everyone else go home. I mean, there's this saying ... don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game. 

So ... back to my question ... just what do you think you will get for Correa, and which contending teams need a SS, and who do they have to trade? And if we are going to be sellers, who else will we sell, and where are the needs of the other teams and what do you hope to get in return? We can keep on this round-about and never get anywhere.

If the Twins end up being sellers and we are in or near first place in the division, I will be very angry. I don't care if they don't 'win it all' ... yeah, that's a different disappointment ... but to not ever TRY? That's worse and cowardly.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.  

[LA VIkes Fan]

Agreed. We aren’t trading Correa. We can’t get much for him because of his contract and it sends the worst possible message to the team. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll get much at the deadline since we don’t have much to trade. Wallner and Steer aren’t enough for high end pitching and we don’t have much MiLB pitching to interest anyone. Maybe Larnach gets us something but I think he’s pretty much the only good trade chip we have unless we trade Kirilloff. I don’t think Miranda is going anywhere.

[strumdatjag]

The odds that the Twins make the playoffs is high, probably as a Division Winner but at least as a Wild Card.   Once in the playoffs, they have an opportunity to go on a winning steak and win it all.  The 1987 Twins were not a dominant team in the regular season, but they won it all.   Do NOT sell. 

[glunn]

I hope that Twins look at trading from areas of excess/strength, because it would be a shame to lose good players to Rule 5 later. 

[terrydactyls]

18 minutes ago, strumdatjag said:

The odds that the Twins make the playoffs is high, probably as a Division Winner but at least as a Wild Card.   Once in the playoffs, they have an opportunity to go on a winning steak and win it all.  The 1987 Twins were not a dominant team in the regular season, but they won it all.   Do NOT sell. 

I love it when people point to one or two examples to prove their point while disregarding how bad this team is and the historical evidence that bad teams seldom win.  "But the Twins in 89 and he Braves in 2021 did it."  That's twice in 33 years.

[Mike Sixel]

What makes anyone think next year will be better?

[gunnarthor]

If the Twins put up the white flag while in first place, I might not take it too well. The team has to do a few things in the offseason but there's room for hope. In the meantime, I'd rather watch the Twins lose in the postseason than miss the postseason.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

7 hours ago, terrydactyls said:

I love it when people point to one or two examples to prove their point while disregarding how bad this team is and the historical evidence that bad teams seldom win.  "But the Twins in 89 and he Braves in 2021 did it."  That's twice in 33 years.

The Royals in 2012 were 72-90 in 2013 they went to the World Series and won it in 14.

Florida Marlins in 97 and ‘03

its more like 4-5 times in 30 years.

 

but rebuilds 100% of the time make the team worse. Using the same logic you love so much….

There’s one team, Tampa that has proven itself good at rebuilding and has enough capability to sell off players and not tank. Half the league has dabbled at some point, and it cratered Pittsburgh, KC, and Miami for very long stretches.

if the Twins hold it together for the rest of the season, they may not win in the post season, may not make the post season, but at least we get to watch an above 500 team, and maybe they find lightning in a bottle.

[TwinsDr2021]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

What makes anyone think next year will be better?

Lack of critical thinking and common sense are probably in the top reasons, but the main reason is blind hope that the future will be better than the present, and if next year isn't better the fairy tail thought is that 24 will be better than 23, and on and on an on.

Remember the reason people didn't want to big trades in 19 and 20 was because that 21, 22, 23 were the real future, and now the real future is 23, 24, and 25.  I have to run they just called the table was ready for bitter party of 1.

[weitz41]

How would the FO justify to ownership that the prospect or prospects they get back was worth Correa's contract? I don't believe Pohlad would sign that check so they can sell at the deadline. Even if the they wanted to sell I doubt it's an option.

[Number3]

13 hours ago, cHawk said:

The Twins are not trading Correa

The Twins can't trade Correa. They are stuck with him and his insane contract.

[ICTwin25]

Trading Correa would be embarrassing for the Team and Fans. Trading Gio, Polanco, or the thousand other infielders we have in the farm system would be fine by me. As long as Arraez, Lewis, Miranda, and a couple other infielders are kept then I'm good. Go address the dang pitching staff

[USAFChief]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Lack of critical thinking and common sense are probably in the top reasons, but the main reason is blind hope that the future will be better than the present, and if next year isn't better the fairy tail thought is that 24 will be better than 23, and on and on an on.

Remember the reason people didn't want to big trades in 19 and 20 was because that 21, 22, 23 were the real future, and now the real future is 23, 24, and 25.  I have to run they just called the table was ready for bitter party of 1.

"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow. 

You're always a day away."

[Monkeypaws]

Twins selling while in 1st place  sounds like a good recipe for establishing a losing culture.

 

Better to win a division and make the post-season than not, every time.

 

Nobody expected the Twins to win it all in 87 or 91 either.

[goulik]

On 7/27/2022 at 5:18 PM, Vagnavs said:

Hello,

I think it's clear the twins do not have the right pieces to win it all. Don't have the starting pitching, nor the relieving to do it.. I suggest they sell rather than be buyers..

I welcome your thoughts!

Brian

We need a facepalm emoji…

Baseball is not like Basketball, Football, or even Hockey. The playoffs are barely above a coin flip and a team can make a run on 2-3 good starters and 2-3 relievers if they have the offense. 

We could really use One more really good starter and a decent, not even necessarily great reliever and you have enough. Do you have the best team? Nope. But in Baseball, the BEST team rarely wins the World Series.

someone do the Math for me… how many times in the last 30 years has the BEST team won?

 

[Reptevia]

“if the Twins hold it together for the rest of the season, they may not win in the post season, may not make the post season, but at least we get to watch an above 500 team, and maybe they find lightning in a bottle.”  To all the people saying this:  The Pohlads LOVE you!  It is nothing but a business, and people voicing satisfaction with mediocrity is $$$’s from heaven. 

[goulik]

Besides the previously mentioned teams:

2000 Yankees had the 9th best record

2006 Cardinals 13th best

2014 Giants 8th best

More than 90 wins but Wild Cards: 2002 Angels, 2004 Red Sox, 2011 Cardinals, 2018 Nationals

So seriously, 1/3 of the time a Twins like team (a “flawed” team needing pieces) has won it in the last 30 years

But seriously, LAST YEAR!! Atlanta Braves with the 12th best record in the Majors we’re led to the World Series and Eddie Freaking Rosario, who was cut by TWO teams was MVP.

just get me to the playoffs every year and enjoy the ABC lineup while we have it! 
(But please please make a meaningful trade…)

 

[Rosterman]

I want to see the Twins add a starter, a bullpen arm (preferably two), and a catcher. 

Remember, that any adds have to repalce players already on the roster.

And any players removed would likely be lost to other teams.

[Blyleven2011]

To all that want to trade but not give up our precious prospects  ...

Let's trade and get more of those precious prospects  ...

Seriously though if the twins trade they need to be smart and trade from a surplus of infielders or a few outfielders prospects  , not much for pitching prospects at the moment to trade . 

If the twins trade prospects for average players shame on them , we need difference makers in pitching , starters or bullpen  ....

See you after the deadline...

[Brock Beauchamp]

The Twins should not sell. There is no perfect season where the Twins will be gifted a World Series championship. If you have a shot, take it.

Every. Time.

[Loosey]

You're right, the Twins don't have the pieces right now to guarantee them a world series.  That is why teams become buyers though, to add the pieces to help them reach that goal of a World Series.  I can count 3-4 teams in all of MLB who I would bet money on to win the World Series.  So the other 26 should all be sellers then?  

Fill some holes, get hot and see what happens.  No one is guaranteed to win it all but if you aren't even trying what's the point?

[ashbury]

On 7/28/2022 at 7:18 AM, USAFChief said:

"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow. 

You're always a day away."

Have to love Chief getting in touch with his inner 10-year old.

[ashbury]

5 hours ago, Reptevia said:

“if the Twins hold it together for the rest of the season, they may not win in the post season, may not make the post season, but at least we get to watch an above 500 team, and maybe they find lightning in a bottle.”  To all the people saying this:  The Pohlads LOVE you!  It is nothing but a business, and people voicing satisfaction with mediocrity is $$$’s from heaven. 

Punishing the hometown team by withholding dollars may satisfy some vindictive fantasy, but it's not how good baseball towns support their teams - and the irony is that those teams tend to reward the loyalty with more good seasons than bad, over time.