What if we don't trade

[mikelink45]

I know I am the exception, but we have had proposed trades on the TD site all year and I never read them.  I am not against them, the writers do a lot of research and give us good perspectives on the players, the money, etc.  But I just don't care.  Some topics just aren't for me, like the potential draft picks.  These are good stories that fill that need we have for more things to talk and think about, but it got me thinking - what if the Twins do nothing?  I know they are likely to be vilified, but Ruesse's article about the Twins this past week was something I enjoyed.  The old Curmudgeon said - this team, "ain't that good" and he said, don't bother trading prospects and one or two pitchers because it won't do that much good.  That got my personal speculation going.  Then MLB.com made its predictions for the rest of the season - Sox win Central. 

Let's assume no new Twins.  No trades, just go with what we got.  What then?  

1. No changes and maybe no first place, no playoff run.
2. Maybe we sneak into the playoffs, hold off the Guardians and the Sox and then lose in the playoffs (sorry I see no way to win in the playoffs).
3. We reassess the entire system and try to put the players in the best position (Old Tom Kelly philosophy) to thrive.

Of course that is not always easy to do.  Here are some changes I would make.

1. Archer - the four inning pitcher might not be able to be an every day BP pitcher, but he is good for once every 3 - 5  games so pair him with Bundy, Ober??? and make them combine for 9 innings.  BP has an off day. 
2. Winder starts - no more shuttle - he is in the rotation and if he has rough spots it will help in the future years.  
3. We dip down into the minors (I do not care what level - has anyone seen the young Rodriguez in Seattle - give talent a chance) and let those arms go in the BP for the rest of the year and get rid of Pagan. Choose the prospects you want.  We have 68 games left - one inning in 1/3 of the games 23 innings is not going to ruin a young arm, but it might let them learn and it might make us better.
4. Tell SP (except the Archer pairing) that they are going 7 innings.  Get to work.
5. Let Caleb C at least twice a week and do not DH either catcher. 
6. Wish Sano a wonderful career and move on unless we have an injury - use the DH to keep our bench in the game.  I would prefer to see Steer over Sano if we need another bat.  
7. Start setting the lineup so everyone knows where they are batting and see if we can develop a better strategy for RISP.
8. Try to remember that bunts and stolen bases have been around for a century and a half for a reason - use our bats and speed and worry the other pitchers.
9. Use AK at 1B and Arraez at DH and Miranda at 3B.  Do all you can to tighten up defense - defense is the White Sox big weakness. 

I know these are the ramblings of an old man, but in my mind if we use all our assets we can win out. 

[Dave The Dastardly]

10 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

I know I am the exception, but we have had proposed trades on the TD site all year and I never read them.  I am not against them, the writers do a lot of research and give us good perspectives on the players, the money, etc.  But I just don't care.  Some topics just aren't for me, like the potential draft picks.  These are good stories that fill that need we have for more things to talk and think about, but it got me thinking - what if the Twins do nothing?  I know they are likely to be vilified, but Ruesse's article about the Twins this past week was something I enjoyed.  The old Curmudgeon said - this team, "ain't that good" and he said, don't bother trading prospects and one or two pitchers because it won't do that much good.  That got my personal speculation going.  Then MLB.com made its predictions for the rest of the season - Sox win Central. 

Let's assume no new Twins.  No trades, just go with what we got.  What then?  

1. No changes and maybe no first place, no playoff run.
2. Maybe we sneak into the playoffs, hold off the Guardians and the Sox and then lose in the playoffs (sorry I see no way to win in the playoffs).
3. We reassess the entire system and try to put the players in the best position (Old Tom Kelly philosophy) to thrive.

Of course that is not always easy to do.  Here are some changes I would make.

1. Archer - the four inning pitcher might not be able to be an every day BP pitcher, but he is good for once every 3 - 5  games so pair him with Bundy, Ober??? and make them combine for 9 innings.  BP has an off day. 
2. Winder starts - no more shuttle - he is in the rotation and if he has rough spots it will help in the future years.  
3. We dip down into the minors (I do not care what level - has anyone seen the young Rodriguez in Seattle - give talent a chance) and let those arms go in the BP for the rest of the year and get rid of Pagan. Choose the prospects you want.  We have 68 games left - one inning in 1/3 of the games 23 innings is not going to ruin a young arm, but it might let them learn and it might make us better.
4. Tell SP (except the Archer pairing) that they are going 7 innings.  Get to work.
5. Let Caleb C at least twice a week and do not DH either catcher. 
6. Wish Sano a wonderful career and move on unless we have an injury - use the DH to keep our bench in the game.  I would prefer to see Steer over Sano if we need another bat.  
7. Start setting the lineup so everyone knows where they are batting and see if we can develop a better strategy for RISP.
8. Try to remember that bunts and stolen bases have been around for a century and a half for a reason - use our bats and speed and worry the other pitchers.
9. Use AK at 1B and Arraez at DH and Miranda at 3B.  Do all you can to tighten up defense - defense is the White Sox big weakness. 

I know these are the ramblings of an old man, but in my mind if we use all our assets we can win out. 

I'm old, too and your ramblings are right on the button with mine. With age comes wisdom... as well as aching joints.

[CRF]

I'm an old goat too...and not the good kind. I agree with pretty much everything in your post, especially the set lineup point and also the bunts and SB's. I would add sacs to that as well. It's gotten a little bit more settled, but the lineup changes every single game just bugs the **** out of me.  

[LA VIkes Fan]

I agree with t he sentiment but the lineup changes ever day because we are at least one middle of the order bat short. Love to see us trade for Josh Bell, put him at DH/1B and the 4 hole and run out this lineup - Arraez, Correa, Buxton, Bell, Polanco, Kiriloff, Miranda/Urshela, Kepler, Sanchez/Hamilton. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

4 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

I know I am the exception, but we have had proposed trades on the TD site all year and I never read them.  I am not against them, the writers do a lot of research and give us good perspectives on the players, the money, etc.  But I just don't care.  Some topics just aren't for me, like the potential draft picks.  These are good stories that fill that need we have for more things to talk and think about, but it got me thinking - what if the Twins do nothing?  I know they are likely to be vilified, but Ruesse's article about the Twins this past week was something I enjoyed.  The old Curmudgeon said - this team, "ain't that good" and he said, don't bother trading prospects and one or two pitchers because it won't do that much good.  That got my personal speculation going.  Then MLB.com made its predictions for the rest of the season - Sox win Central. 

Let's assume no new Twins.  No trades, just go with what we got.  What then?  

1. No changes and maybe no first place, no playoff run.
2. Maybe we sneak into the playoffs, hold off the Guardians and the Sox and then lose in the playoffs (sorry I see no way to win in the playoffs).
3. We reassess the entire system and try to put the players in the best position (Old Tom Kelly philosophy) to thrive.

Of course that is not always easy to do.  Here are some changes I would make.

1. Archer - the four inning pitcher might not be able to be an every day BP pitcher, but he is good for once every 3 - 5  games so pair him with Bundy, Ober??? and make them combine for 9 innings.  BP has an off day. 
2. Winder starts - no more shuttle - he is in the rotation and if he has rough spots it will help in the future years.  
3. We dip down into the minors (I do not care what level - has anyone seen the young Rodriguez in Seattle - give talent a chance) and let those arms go in the BP for the rest of the year and get rid of Pagan. Choose the prospects you want.  We have 68 games left - one inning in 1/3 of the games 23 innings is not going to ruin a young arm, but it might let them learn and it might make us better.
4. Tell SP (except the Archer pairing) that they are going 7 innings.  Get to work.
5. Let Caleb C at least twice a week and do not DH either catcher. 
6. Wish Sano a wonderful career and move on unless we have an injury - use the DH to keep our bench in the game.  I would prefer to see Steer over Sano if we need another bat.  
7. Start setting the lineup so everyone knows where they are batting and see if we can develop a better strategy for RISP.
8. Try to remember that bunts and stolen bases have been around for a century and a half for a reason - use our bats and speed and worry the other pitchers.
9. Use AK at 1B and Arraez at DH and Miranda at 3B.  Do all you can to tighten up defense - defense is the White Sox big weakness. 

I know these are the ramblings of an old man, but in my mind if we use all our assets we can win out. 

Agreed on the potential outcomes.

Dont really agree w/ all your prescriptions 

4) Sps are being managed for innings because they haven’t been healthy or for most of them haven’t ever pitched 30 games/100 innings before in their careers. If you don’t want any gas in the tank come October, take the reins off now.

6) Sano has put up Josh Bell-like numbers in the past, why DFA Sano and trade for Bell?

7) that’s overrated for the players and predictable for opposing bullpens.

Eight- forcing players who haven’t been coached to bunt or steal to suddenly start doing those activities mid-season is a recipe for disaster. 
 

[mikelink45]

4 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Agreed on the potential outcomes.

Dont really agree w/ all your prescriptions 

4) Sps are being managed for innings because they haven’t been healthy or for most of them haven’t ever pitched 30 games/100 innings before in their careers. If you don’t want any gas in the tank come October, take the reins off now.

6) Sano has put up Josh Bell-like numbers in the past, why DFA Sano and trade for Bell?

7) that’s overrated for the players and predictable for opposing bullpens.

Eight- forcing players who haven’t been coached to bunt or steal to suddenly start doing those activities mid-season is a recipe for disaster. 
 

I have no arguments no matter what the take.  I just want us to all think a little out of the box and not think a trade is the panacea. 

[ICTwin25]

The one thing I feel confident in, is if there is no trade then this team will not make the playoffs. Regarding the other stuff you listed, I could see some of it happening. Stats were posted on Twitter yesterday that Archer, Bundy and Smeltzer were really the ones who struggle when facing a lineup the third time through. Smeltzer is now in the minors so why not push Gray, Ryan, Winder, and others to go 6 innings?

Like CRF, the batting order changing every day bothers me and has since Rocco arrived. I strongly believe it led to their offense being horrific against the Astros because these guys need to be in a set rhythm and mindset going into the playoffs. There could be more to it and i'm just a fan, but it's just my observation.

[baul0010]

I think your post is correct.  I can't see the front office getting rid of the talent they have been accumulating. They want long term success.  I thought at the beginning of the year, we needed another solid year of development, and we'd have another round of talent ready for MLB.  I think this winter will be the time they add the couple pieces they need after deciding which minors leaguers are going to step up.

Even if they don't add, hopefully we can pitch better, hit a bit better, and make a playoff push.

[heresthething]

I like what you're saying and agree 100% with Ruesse's take.  if the White Sox hadn't imploded so far this year no way this team is in first place.  If they make trades it will be for players that have at least another year of control and they fit into their long term plans or if they somehow get some deal on a short term rental they can't refuse.

[mickster]

A lot of Twins fans mirror the front office.   They demand trades to make us better, however they don't want to part with talent to do it.   We gotta give to get.   I am thinking we are better this year, then the FO envisioned.  However, there must have been a small part that thought we had a chance or Correa would not be here.   FO is in a tough spot as we don't want to give up on part of a bright looking future - but we need to sieze an opportunity as well.     All this means prospects like Steer and Wallner need to be on the table as well as one of Larnach/Kepler/Miranda.  I want no part of any trade that costs us Kiriloff.

[ashbury]

I'm on the side of believing that standing pat means not making the postseason.  Making some trades won't guarantee a postseason appearance either, and I don't see any meaningful hope of an outright championship except every participant's "puncher's chance" once you get there.  But I'm not on the side of "either you're all in, or should be selling assets."  There is value to maintaining a representative roster, and I'm not going to wax eloquent on my reasons to believe that.

We do have some oversupply in corner bats and infielders whose best position is 2B, and there is the risk of those talents simply dying on the vine due to being blocked; rule-5 eligibility is a complementary factor.  That's an additional aspect to wanting to see some deals.  OTOH every team has prospects/players like these, needing 40-man roster space too, so you're not going to get a haul by packaging up 6 of them for a supposed mega-deal; every team knows how to operate a spreadsheet to do roster management.

So in the spirit of moderate expectations I would invest something but not significant resources in players with expiring contracts.  Players who'll be under team control in 2023, I'd feel more pragmatic about.  But I don't expect the world.  A couple of decent but not shut-down relievers.  Maybe a bat.

 

[chpettit19]

I wouldn't bet on the Twins making the playoffs if they don't make any moves before the deadline. But I wouldn't bet on Chicago or Cleveland either if they don't make moves. All 3 are severely flawed teams and if they all stood pat it'd just be a matter of which team lucked into the division before likely being summarily dismissed in the first round.

As for the changes suggested:
1. Agreed. And don't understand why they aren't piggybacking Archer.
2. Agreed. I'd put Winder in the rotation as well, and I expect him to be back relatively soon.
3. Strongly disagree. Noting Julio Rodriguez as an example doesn't make sense to me. He's not up just to see if he could stick, he was an elite prospect, and the Twins don't have any of those left (outside of an injured Lewis) in the minors right now. "I do not care what level"- is this literal? Like you'd call up a kid from Rookie ball? Low A? High A? Those would be awful organizational management moves and should get any FO fired. Rodriguez was in AA hitting .362 last year. The Twins don't have a Rodriguez. Steer and Wallner are the only prospects in the minors off the top of my head that have any argument for promotion, but there's no place to play them since they're blocked by other young guys. Calling up guys and just praying they're ready isn't a sound strategy.
4. Disagree, but sorta agree. 7 innings is never going to happen. There's 1 pitcher in all of major league baseball averaging 7 innings a game this year. Change the expectations to 6 innings a start? That's reasonable. Even if I don't think many of the current starters would be successful at it.
5. Agree. But I'd assume Caleb will be catching about 2 games a week until Jeffers is back. And they haven't been DHing the catchers for a while as others have gotten healthy.
6. Don't agree or disagree. Don't expect them to just DFA him and eat that money, but don't foresee them giving him any sort of prominent role unless he goes on a heater.
7. Disagree. This is a severely overrated idea by fans. Batting order isn't changing strategies with RISP. Where they are hitting in the lineup isn't stopping them from performing. They all know their roles on the team. Garlick knows he hits against lefty starters and is replaced by Arraez when a righty comes in. He's not confused on what to do if he's hitting 4 that day after having hit 6 the time before. Although, I do agree it's not great for the fan experience.
8. Disagree. The Twins don't have speed to worry pitchers outside of Buxton and Polanco/Gordon here and there. As for bunting, I don't know if you mean for hits (I wish they'd use it against the shift) or sacrifices, but the league leading team in baseball in sac bunts is Arizona with 15. Teams don't sacrifice anymore cuz it's not actually good for scoring runs.
9. Agree. I like that defensive setup as well,

[Riverbrian]

On 7/21/2022 at 1:25 PM, mikelink45 said:

 The old Curmudgeon said - this team, "ain't that good" 

I don't agree with the old Curmudgeon. If the season ended today... They are in the playoffs. 

I really don't pay much attention to anyone who can look at a roster in late September and declare they know who will win or lose a playoff series and I really really don't pay much attention to anyone who can look at a roster in July and be so certain. 

If you have that ability... Quit your job, place your bets, cash out and buy a vacation home in Hawaii.  

The Mariners are 22-3 in there last 25 games. They were 29-39 prior to that. 

The Red Sox started the season 10-19. Followed that with a 32-12 stretch and are currently in a 6-14 stretch. 

The Orioles started out 24-35 and have been on a 22-11 stretch since. Does the Old Curmudgeon have the ability to tell us right now with certainty what team is going to go 20-10 in August. The Marlins? Who is going to start firing off win after win in September. I don't know myself and I'm not going to ask the Old Curmudgeon either because he doesn't know. 

Is the old Curmudgeon talking about the 27-16 Twins that started the year? Or is he talking about the 23-28 Twins since? 

There are 68 games to go. I don't have the ability to predict what the Mariners, Red Sox, Orioles or Twins do over that time frame and neither does the old Curmudgeon.

I do know that the bullpen needs help... So help it. It's what the trade deadline is for.

SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!!!

 

 

[ashbury]

13 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

I don't agree with the old Curmudgeon. If the season ended today... They are in the playoffs. 

I really don't pay much attention to anyone who can look at a roster in late September and declare they know who will win or lose a playoff series and I really really don't pay much attention to anyone who can look at a roster in July and be so certain. 

If you have that ability... Quit your job, place your bets, cash out and buy a vacation home in Hawaii.  

The Mariners are 22-3 in there last 25 games. They were 29-39 prior to that. 

The Red Sox started the season 10-19. Followed that with a 32-12 stretch and are currently in a 6-14 stretch. 

The Orioles started out 24-35 and have been on a 22-11 stretch since. Does the Old Curmudgeon have the ability to tell us right now with certainty what team is going to go 20-10 in August. The Marlins? Who is going to start firing off win after win in September. I don't know myself and I'm not going to ask the Old Curmudgeon either because he doesn't know. 

Is the old Curmudgeon talking about the 27-16 Twins that started the year? Or is he talking about the 23-28 Twins since? 

There are 68 games to go. I don't have the ability to predict what the Mariners, Red Sox, Orioles or Twins do over that time frame and neither does the old Curmudgeon.

I do know that the bullpen needs help... So help it. It's what the trade deadline is for.

SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!!!

 

 

So, to summarize, you don't have the ability to predict which team will go 20-10 in August but you do have the ability to predict that the Twins bullpen as currently constructed won't perform? Are you talking about the 6.38 ERA / .910 OPS-against Tyler Duffey in his first 23 appearances, or the 0.00 ERA / .495 OPS-against Tyler Duffey in his 12 appearances since then? 

[Vanimal46]

If we don’t make any trades then it will end up being a 3 team race to 83 wins for the division title. I agree with @chpettit19that Chicago, Cleveland, and us are flawed teams that will have obstacles to overcome in the playoffs. 

I do believe we’ll make some modest moves for a couple of bullpen arms. It’ll be shocking, frankly, if they get either Montas, Castillo, or any other front line starter. Going forward, we really need to see some progression with the pitching prospects. 

[Mike Sixel]

I fall to see how people think this team is better next year with any certainty. Correa is likely gone. Why do people feel this team will be better, and the elite teams will be worse next year? They have a winning record in the bank this year. I really don't understand.

[Riverbrian]

18 minutes ago, ashbury said:

So, to summarize, you don't have the ability to predict which team will go 20-10 in August but you do have the ability to predict that the Twins bullpen as currently constructed won't perform? Are you talking about the 6.38 ERA / .910 OPS-against Tyler Duffey in his first 23 appearances, or the 0.00 ERA / .495 OPS-against Tyler Duffey in his 12 appearances since then? 

You are correct i can't. But i believe there are a couple bullpen guys who have had enough attempts.. ?

[ashbury]

Just now, Riverbrian said:

You are correct i can't. But i believe there are a couple bullpen guys who have had enough attemps. ?

Oh, I'm far from saying stand pat with this bullpen.  Just, that the same split season analysis could be performed at the player level too.

[Riverbrian]

7 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Oh, I'm far from saying stand pat with this bullpen.  Just, that the same split season analysis could be performed at the player level

I could feel the ribbing in my ribs. 

[Riverbrian]

50 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Oh, I'm far from saying stand pat with this bullpen.  Just, that the same split season analysis could be performed at the player level too.

Hey! I just had a thought. Is it possible that these in season player fluctuations you speak of... stay with me... play a role in the in season team fluctuations that i speak of. 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

Hey! I just had a thought. Is it possible that these in season player fluctuations you speak of... stay with me... play a role in the in season team fluctuations that i speak of. 

Team fluctuations which you were saying were too difficult... hear me out... to forecast?

[tarheeltwinsfan]

On 7/21/2022 at 2:25 PM, mikelink45 said:

I know I am the exception, but we have had proposed trades on the TD site all year and I never read them.  I am not against them, the writers do a lot of research and give us good perspectives on the players, the money, etc.  But I just don't care.  Some topics just aren't for me, like the potential draft picks.  These are good stories that fill that need we have for more things to talk and think about, but it got me thinking - what if the Twins do nothing?  I know they are likely to be vilified, but Ruesse's article about the Twins this past week was something I enjoyed.  The old Curmudgeon said - this team, "ain't that good" and he said, don't bother trading prospects and one or two pitchers because it won't do that much good.  That got my personal speculation going.  Then MLB.com made its predictions for the rest of the season - Sox win Central. 

Let's assume no new Twins.  No trades, just go with what we got.  What then?  

1. No changes and maybe no first place, no playoff run.
2. Maybe we sneak into the playoffs, hold off the Guardians and the Sox and then lose in the playoffs (sorry I see no way to win in the playoffs).
3. We reassess the entire system and try to put the players in the best position (Old Tom Kelly philosophy) to thrive.

Of course that is not always easy to do.  Here are some changes I would make.

1. Archer - the four inning pitcher might not be able to be an every day BP pitcher, but he is good for once every 3 - 5  games so pair him with Bundy, Ober??? and make them combine for 9 innings.  BP has an off day. 
2. Winder starts - no more shuttle - he is in the rotation and if he has rough spots it will help in the future years.  
3. We dip down into the minors (I do not care what level - has anyone seen the young Rodriguez in Seattle - give talent a chance) and let those arms go in the BP for the rest of the year and get rid of Pagan. Choose the prospects you want.  We have 68 games left - one inning in 1/3 of the games 23 innings is not going to ruin a young arm, but it might let them learn and it might make us better.
4. Tell SP (except the Archer pairing) that they are going 7 innings.  Get to work.
5. Let Caleb C at least twice a week and do not DH either catcher. 
6. Wish Sano a wonderful career and move on unless we have an injury - use the DH to keep our bench in the game.  I would prefer to see Steer over Sano if we need another bat.  
7. Start setting the lineup so everyone knows where they are batting and see if we can develop a better strategy for RISP.
8. Try to remember that bunts and stolen bases have been around for a century and a half for a reason - use our bats and speed and worry the other pitchers.
9. Use AK at 1B and Arraez at DH and Miranda at 3B.  Do all you can to tighten up defense - defense is the White Sox big weakness. 

I know these are the ramblings of an old man, but in my mind if we use all our assets we can win out. 

Interestingly, I also am an old guy and I too agree with  Mike Link. Reminds me of a rally cry: "Old Guys of  America: Untie !"

[nicksaviking]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I fall to see how people think this team is better next year with any certainty. Correa is likely gone. Why do people feel this team will be better, and the elite teams will be worse next year? They have a winning record in the bank this year. I really don't understand.

I hope they keep Correa, but it’s not like he’s their best player. Or second. Or probably even 3rd. Even if they lose him, they’re not going to slum it down to an 80M payroll next year, they’ll probably end up with one of the top SS because we know they won’t spend 50M on pitching.

If this teams not better next year, then they’re doing the youth movement thing wrong. Young players are supposed to get better.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

12 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I hope they keep Correa, but it’s not like he’s their best player. Or second. Or probably even 3rd. Even if they lose him, they’re not going to slum it down to an 80M payroll next year, they’ll probably end up with one of the top SS because we know they won’t spend 50M on pitching.

If this teams not better next year, then they’re doing the youth movement thing wrong. Young players are supposed to get better.

If I were GM for an expansion club and could pick one player from the Twins for the next season, I would choose Correa. His fielding at the KEY defensive position is the best I have ever seen.

[MplsFan]

To me it’s as simple as: they have Correa this year, so why not push the chips in and go for it?

I wonder if the front office regrets the Rogers for Paddack trade at all…

[Riverbrian]

16 hours ago, ashbury said:

Team fluctuations which you were saying were too difficult... hear me out... to forecast?

Exactly, it might rain. It might not.

Lots of people refusing to cut the grass because of the possibility of rain. 

Meanwhile its Partly Cloudy, 75 degrees and you have a lawnmower that works until the end of July.

 

[Linus]

I definitely would make some trades. I would take a little different slant to it. I would think of it as roster re-balancing that also helps your playoff chances. 
the Twins are have great depth at 2nd and 3rd. This is even more true with Brooks Lee likely manning third base for a long time. Trade from this depth to add multiple bullpen pieces with control. 
I would even consider dealing Polanco even though I value him highly.  
The Twins don’t have enough depth at other positions to make trades without creating another hole to plug. 

[Blyleven2011]

On 7/21/2022 at 1:25 PM, mikelink45 said:

 

Let's assume no new Twins.  No trades, just go with what we got.  What then?

 

I know these are the ramblings of an old man, but in my mind if we use all our assets we can win out. 

Old timers unite ....

before free agency there wasn't much trading before 1986 and you had the same player's throughout the season  , I'm not saying there wasn't some trades at deadline , just not like it's been since playoff expansion ,,,

they made their trades during the off season ... the trade deadline  was established in 1920 by both leagues , but there was never as many trades as there are now , playoff expansion has changed  that for sure to a busier deadline 

So if there are no trade deadline trades I will enjoy watching the twins talent win or lose ...

Always have ,,,, I live for opening day and the world series series  and everything in-between  ....

Old timers unite ,,, bring back some old school  baseball  and mix it in with new school baseball  ,,, a happy medium for all ....

Thanks Mike 

[Blyleven2011]

18 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

If this teams not better next year, then they’re doing the youth movement thing wrong. Young players are supposed to get better.

Couldn't agree more at getting better for 2023  ...

They have half of the roster in good condition  , defense and offense , some healthy players would make it better ...

What they haven't got right is pitching ,...

they had better starting  pitching at the beginning of the season through June than anyone thought was possible , but bullpen was a wreck from the get go and hasn't stabilized yet  ...

Mostly because of dumpster diving  for depth  .... 

Coaches are dealing with talent ,,, it is their duties  to tap into that talent  and develop that player  into a better player ,,,, starts with the minor leagues and shouldn't stop with our manager and coaches in the majors  .... keep coaching for quality professional players ,,, 

Professional is the key word in players and coaching  , love of the game doesn't hurt either ( passion will carry alot of weight in succeeding  )  ,( arraez is a good example  ) there are others but I like arraez so I used him as an example  ...

[theBOMisthebomb]

Trade talk, prospects, and the draft all bore me for the most part. They are filler and so much speculation.