Twins Appear to Trend Towards Pool Savings on Day 2

[chpettit19]

Just now, bunsen82 said:

There was almost 3 hours between pick 8 and 48.   Pretty sure someone was calling an agent or two to verify numbers.  Players do not turn down 1st round money every year.  If they do they are high school players willing to bet on themselves.  You had birdsell willing to bet on himself last year.  When was the last player to turn down a contract in the top 2 rounds due to money? And how many times has in occurred in the last 10 years?

Who do you think they were calling during that time? Just random agents to confirm that the numbers the agents already told them are still accurate just in case Prielipp fell 20 picks more than they thought he would? That's not how it works. They collect all of that info before the draft. They run scenarios for all kinds of different possibilities of guys falling to different spots and who that means they can take later. 

I literally just told you Jud Fabian did it last year. I gave you the numbers and everything. He turned down 2 million US dollars because he thought he should've gone higher and wanted 3 million US dollars. He had been picked #40 overall by the Boston Red Sox.

[bunsen82]

6 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Who do you think they were calling during that time? Just random agents to confirm that the numbers the agents already told them are still accurate just in case Prielipp fell 20 picks more than they thought he would? That's not how it works. They collect all of that info before the draft. They run scenarios for all kinds of different possibilities of guys falling to different spots and who that means they can take later. 

I literally just told you Jud Fabian did it last year. I gave you the numbers and everything. He turned down 2 million US dollars because he thought he should've gone higher and wanted 3 million US dollars. He had been picked #40 overall by the Boston Red Sox.

2 agents,  Lee confirming they had a good number and Prielipps to verify he was still willing to be picked by the Twins and what number would be reasonable.  Calls happen during the draft.  They can't call a hundred players or agents but the can definitely call a handful.   

[chpettit19]

21 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

2 agents,  Lee confirming they had a good number and Prielipps to verify he was still willing to be picked by the Twins and what number would be reasonable.  Calls happen during the draft.  They can't call a hundred players or agents but the can definitely call a handful.   

At what point do they decide to call Prielipp? After pick 30? 40? How do they decide he's the one they want to call? How do they decide to call him and the "handful" they choose to call, and not the other guys who will be available around pick 48? MLB's 48th ranked player went 20th overall. Every team has a vastly different board from the others. Each has different bonus pool situations. Were they taking into account Texas taking Rocker 3rd and targeting Porter later and not Prielipp? Did the Twins call Porter as well when he was falling? Or did he not make the cut? MLB's 65th ranked guy went 24th. Did they call him after pick 20 to see if he'd still be willing to be taken at 48 and thus wasted one of their handful of calls?

Do you have inside information that calls happen during the draft or are you guessing because it makes sense to you? Not trying to be rude, honestly asking. If you have inside info I'd be fascinated to hear more.

[bunsen82]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

At what point do they decide to call Prielipp? After pick 30? 40? How do they decide he's the one they want to call? How do they decide to call him and the "handful" they choose to call, and not the other guys who will be available around pick 48? MLB's 48th ranked player went 20th overall. Every team has a vastly different board from the others. Each has different bonus pool situations. Were they taking into account Texas taking Rocker 3rd and targeting Porter later and not Prielipp? Did the Twins call Porter as well when he was falling? Or did he not make the cut? MLB's 65th ranked guy went 24th. Did they call him after pick 20 to see if he'd still be willing to be taken at 48 and thus wasted one of their handful of calls?

Do you have inside information that calls happen during the draft or are you guessing because it makes sense to you? Not trying to be rude, honestly asking. If you have inside info I'd be fascinated to hear more.

after pick 8  -  I agree with you I think they were planning to take him 8.  When Lee fell they probably reconfirmed numbers.  This would have first occurred after calling and confirming with Lee's agent.  Then they likely called Schobel agent after they selected Prielipp.  

[chpettit19]

11 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

after pick 8  -  I agree with you I think they were planning to take him 8.  When Lee fell they probably reconfirmed numbers.  This would have first occurred after calling and confirming with Lee's agent.  Then they likely called Schobel agent after they selected Prielipp.  

Yeah, going to have to agree to disagree. I'm quite certain they didn't call Prielipp after pick 8 and say "hey, if you're still there in 40 picks are you still asking for $X?"

[AZTwin]

On 7/19/2022 at 2:21 PM, chpettit19 said:

Yeah, going to have to agree to disagree. I'm quite certain they didn't call Prielipp after pick 8 and say "hey, if you're still there in 40 picks are you still asking for $X?"

They don’t say “if you are there 40 picks later, are you asking for this”

they ask “what number do you need to get to, to get signed?”

they say “3 million” for example and twins agree.

then the players agent tells other teams that “$3m is the amount it will take for the player to sign” and if they don’t want to pay that, he falls the extra picks.  
 

that is how Brock porter fell.  He agreed to a number and the rangers were only one that could get to the number because they saved on rocker up front. 

[chpettit19]

3 hours ago, AZTwin said:

They don’t say “if you are there 40 picks later, are you asking for this”

they ask “what number do you need to get to, to get signed?”

they say “3 million” for example and twins agree.

then the players agent tells other teams that “$3m is the amount it will take for the player to sign” and if they don’t want to pay that, he falls the extra picks.  
 

that is how Brock porter fell.  He agreed to a number and the rangers were only one that could get to the number because they saved on rocker up front. 

The debate that was happening there was the timing of gathering those price tags, not that the conversations happened or how they went. My point was that they weren't calling Prielipp during the draft to ask his number, they already had it.