Common sense regarding Byron Buxton.

[bean5302]

26 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

I do know what the injury is and I do know what his treatment is. In fact I had lunch and dinner with him today

Well, if you're saying it's personal relationship information, I have no reason to doubt you. I don't think we get a ton of this kind of inside information as I'd imagine players don't like to have the team doctors thrown under the bus publicly this way, but it's fun to have the 6* of Kevin Bacon thing going on here.

[Schmoeman5]

27 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Well, if you're saying it's personal relationship information, I have no reason to doubt you. I don't think we get a ton of this kind of inside information as I'd imagine players don't like to have the team doctors thrown under the bus publicly this way, but it's fun to have the 6* of Kevin Bacon thing going on here.

And that's why I'm hesitant to divulge too much. Not really trying to throw anyone under the bus. But I know the team releases statements regarding players and injuries. I don't expect them to tell us everything because I know they won't. But in this case the Twins were throwing up their hands and saying "but he never told us, we just found out" 

[SanoMustGo]

3 hours ago, h2oface said:

At this point, I could care less if we get one more o-fer with 3 Ks from Buxton, or miss them. If the other players and managers are crazy enough to name him al all-star this year, so be it. Let him play in it. It is our pen and pitching that is the problem.

unless he aggravates the injury by playing, then it becomes a disaster

[old nurse]

On 7/15/2022 at 8:56 PM, Schmoeman5 said:

And that's why I'm hesitant to divulge too much. Not really trying to throw anyone under the bus. But I know the team releases statements regarding players and injuries. I don't expect them to tell us everything because I know they won't. But in this case the Twins were throwing up their hands and saying "but he never told us, we just found out" 

It wasn’t your place to divulge anything.

[Nine of twelve]

3 hours ago, old nurse said:

It wasn’t your place to divulge anything.

I agree. If I found out that someone I trusted started spreading personal information of mine on the internet, especially medical information, I would be highly upset.

[Battle ur tail off]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:47 PM, stringer bell said:

I still have questions about the handling of Buxton. 1) Is this what the Twins can expect for the balance of Buxton’s contract? 2) How much is the ongoing injury effecting Buxton’s current performance? 3) How long on the IL would it take for Buxton to “get right”,

I would say:

1. YES

2. A fair amount

3. A whole season

 

I really love Buxton, but there is just no simple answer with this guy. Give him time off, put him on IL, play him every day. Nothing seems to work to keep him healthy enough to produce like the stud he can be for more than 50-60 games a year. 

Honestly, at this point, it is up to him to get with someone and do what needs to be done to make and keep himself healthy for the grind of an entire season. He probably has and does do this, but I don't think doctoring frequently and taking his training or whatever it takes to keep him healthy to the next level should be out of the question. 

 

[Squirrel]

Everyone ... let's get back to topic, which is Buxton.

[RpR]

Byron Buxton said in an interview earlier that he strongly dislikes being DH and not playing every day, in the field, ruins his timing.

He was not lying.

[Craig Arko]

Buxton has played in more games than Correa this season, and almost as many as Polanco. Not bad for having a bad knee. Tony Oliva would approve, I think.

[ashbury]

36 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Buxton has played in more games than Correa this season, and almost as many as Polanco. Not bad for having a bad knee. Tony Oliva would approve, I think.

Byron can ask Tony his opinion and remove all doubt, if he really cares.

[bighat]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:47 PM, stringer bell said:

Buxton has “played” at least four games where he had one or less plate appearances. Also, as with today, he’s been the DH frequently. He’s played less than half of the games in center field. A player that offers so much value in the field not playing center even half the time is really limiting the value that he adds to the team. 

Especially when his strikeout % is in the bottom 10% of the league.

Without his defense he's basically Rob Deer at this point, which is something I never thought I'd put in writing.

[ashbury]

20 minutes ago, bighat said:

Without his defense he's basically Rob Deer at this point, which is something I never thought I'd put in writing.

Rob Deer was something special.  He was a fun and unique story, in his day.  "How does he even keep his job, striking out that much???"   I looked him up to refresh my memory.  His SO% was a league-leading 32.9 in 1987, when the league as a whole was 15.5.  He punished the ball, enough to hang onto his job, not enough to excel.  He stood out, in his singular mediocrity.

This season, Buxton is merely 10th in the league with a 29.9 while the league is at 23.3.  Three guys, led by Brandon Marsh at 36.1, exceed Deer's percentage.

The problem isn't Buxton specifically.  It's that the whole league with too few exceptions is turning into "basically Rob Deer".  That's not unique, and it's not fun.

[USAFChief]

12 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

Buxton has played in more games than Correa this season, and almost as many as Polanco. Not bad for having a bad knee. Tony Oliva would approve, I think.

Buxton has played in 73 games, Correa 70. That's true. Buxton has 304 PAs, Correa 303.

However, Buxton has 47 games in CF. 376.2 innings in the field. Four of those games in CF came as a late game sub.

Correa has 69 games at SS. 583.1 innings.

So it's not exactly apples to apples.

Buxton IS on pace to reach 500 PAs for just the 2nd time in his career. But I'd hesitate to call him a full time player, since so much of his time is wasted at DH.

 

[ICTwin25]

28 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Buxton has played in 73 games, Correa 70. That's true. Buxton has 304 PAs, Correa 303.

However, Buxton has 47 games in CF. 376.2 innings in the field. Four of those games in CF came as a late game sub.

Correa has 69 games at SS. 583.1 innings.

So it's not exactly apples to apples.

Buxton IS on pace to reach 500 PAs for just the 2nd time in his career. But I'd hesitate to call him a full time player, since so much of his time is wasted at DH.

 

You're correct, but he performs better when he plays CF vs DH

CF: .224/.286/.856

DH: .209/.314/.787

Another thing I noticed is how much better he plays at Night vs. Day Games. .228/.305/.883 in Night Games and .202/.277/.753 in day games. Hopefully with these few days off the staff can really analyze players splits and make a plan for the second half of the season.

[stringer bell]

Correa's missed games are almost all due to time on the Injury List, whereas Buck hasn't been placed there all year. There is a difference there as well.

[Azviking101]

Can’t play CF during the season but slots right in for the all star game. Terrible look. He needs to rest and show what matters most. 
Guess the all star game is more important 

[Number3]

On 7/15/2022 at 4:46 PM, chpettit19 said:

Really? I missed that. That's not good.

I think he meant misunderestimated. Mickey Mantle played on a blown up knee for the second half of his career when there was no DH. Byron just needs to get used to playing hurt and if he can fog a mirror get into the lineup. This in the lineup one day and out the next especially with rosters destroyed by 100 man bull pens thanks to analytics won't work. Saving him for the playoffs assumes they get into the playoffs which is less and less a likely occurrence.

[Craig Arko]

So, what’s the plan, then? Put him on the 60-day IL and wait for next spring? There aren’t a great many options.

[stringer bell]

4 hours ago, Azviking101 said:

Can’t play CF during the season but slots right in for the all star game. Terrible look. He needs to rest and show what matters most. 
Guess the all star game is more important 

The Twins do have three days off in a row after the All-Star game. Buxton should be about as good as he can be after those three days. 

[Azviking101]

Hahahahaha

buxton looked like a little league all star there 

[Azviking101]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

The Twins do have three days off in a row after the All-Star game. Buxton should be about as good as he can be after those three days. 

Yeah, as good as he can be to DH every other game. Can’t wait!!!

[stringer bell]

4 minutes ago, Azviking101 said:

Yeah, as good as he can be to DH every other game. Can’t wait!!!

What we don’t know is how much time it would take to make him “full go”. I don’t like the current arrangement much at all, particularly that Buxton is DHing so often and that his great speed is only in evidence so sporadically. 

 

However, he hasn’t gone more than three days without playing in the field since he recovered sufficiently to play after his injury in Boston IIRC. 

[Squirrel]

58 minutes ago, Azviking101 said:

Hahahahaha

buxton looked like a little league all star there 

What? You mean the home run he hit?