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Innings 1 - 7     Twins 49  Guardians  24 Innings 8 - x    Guardians 24   Twins 9

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If this series isn’t a desperate plea to give Rocco some bullpen arms he can use, I don’t know what that looks like. Time to get on the phone and make some moves. 

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About what? Not using Mariano Rivera? Baldelli being the default scape goat is getting soooooooooo old.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:18 PM, SpicyGarvSauce said:

Bundy stinks, though. He is literally only useful against garbage teams. His 88 mph fastball isn't working long term.

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Taking him out of the rotation is part of my reasoning. I'd much rather have Winder in the rotation than as a piggyback. Gray, Ryan, Winder, Archer/Bundy, Smeltzer would be my setup for now. Injuries tend to figure things out so Ober coming back is probably solved by one of those 6 not being available anyways.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:24 PM, chpettit19 said:

Taking him out of the rotation is part of my reasoning. I'd much rather have Winder in the rotation than as a piggyback. Gray, Ryan, Winder, Archer/Bundy, Smeltzer would be my setup for now. Injuries tend to figure things out so Ober coming back is probably solved by one of those 6 not being available anyways.

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Bundy shouldn't be on this staff, period.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:20 PM, wsnydes said:

It's not just today.  This offense has disappeared for long stretches of games, let alone innings, all year long.

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Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:21 PM, nicksaviking said:

Well my opinion is that they need Ober back, or call up Woods Richardson or Varland and put Archer IN the bullpen. I know he's been really good as a starter, but he'd likely be very good as a reliever, and doing so would also help with the problem the team has with him only going 4 innings.

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Yeah, I'd be good with that, too. Don't know how he'd feel about it, though. I'd love him as a 2 innings guy multiple times a week.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:26 PM, chpettit19 said:

Yeah, I'd be good with that, too. Don't know how he'd feel about it, though. I'd love him as a 2 innings guy multiple times a week.

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Sorry, he doesn't get the choice at this point. EVERY game this guy starts, it taxes the bullpen...which then affects the next game, and the next game.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:25 PM, Schmoeman5 said:

Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

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It's not just Bieber that stifles the Twins.  It's not just the bullpen.  The offense deserves plenty of blame as well.  They score a lot, or nothing.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:25 PM, Schmoeman5 said:

Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

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This is an absolute gold star post. I know they are trying to protect Archer but 4 inning starts for a team with a weak bullpen is a MASSIVE problem and a poor game plan.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:27 PM, wsnydes said:

It's not just Bieber that stifles the Twins.  It's not just the bullpen.  The offense deserves plenty of blame as well.  They score a lot, or nothing.

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There have been so many base runners left in scoring position this whole series, minus today.  So frustrating.

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  On 6/30/2022 at 8:27 PM, SpicyGarvSauce said:

Sorry, he doesn't get the choice at this point. EVERY game this guy starts, it taxes the bullpen...which then affects the next game, and the next game.

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But if putting him in the pen makes him worse it doesn't fix anything. I don't blame him at all for not being able to go deep in games after all the time he's missed with injuries the last few years. The FO/Wes/Rocco/Whoever not having a plan for the starts they knew would be short from the beginning is the problem. He's pitched very well in his current role and I wouldn't mess with that if I have another choice.

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