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Twins Trade Deadline 2022: Buy or Sell?


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Which route should the Twins take this year at the trade deadline?  

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  1. 1. Which route should the Twins take this year at the trade deadline?

    • Buy
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    • Sell
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    • Stand Pat
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    • A little bit of both
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22 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

They got Sisk for Happ who looked horrible so they can get something for Bundy and they can certainly get something for Archer.  Note I did not say I would trade them today and also note I said one of Bundy or Archer so they still have Gray / Ryan / Winder / Ober / Smeltzer and one of Archer or Bundy.  

Arraez or Steer is the back-up plan for Miranda.   In other words, they are 3 deep behind Urshela.  

Aarez at 3rd? Did you watch him there earlier? He was terrible there. He is at 1st and that is where he will stay with him hitting like he is, they are not going to mess with him. 

Steer, ok fine, but I'm not rolling with an unproven guy when I have someone that plays lights out defense over there in Urshela. 

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53 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

Aarez at 3rd? Did you watch him there earlier? He was terrible there. He is at 1st and that is where he will stay with him hitting like he is, they are not going to mess with him. 

Steer, ok fine, but I'm not rolling with an unproven guy when I have someone that plays lights out defense over there in Urshela. 

How many perfect back-up plans do you expect to have?  You are 100% concerned with fielding a team today and I am interested in constructing a team that can actually contend.  

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51 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

How many perfect back-up plans do you expect to have?  You are 100% concerned with fielding a team today and I am interested in constructing a team that can actually contend.  

In what decade?

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1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

How many perfect back-up plans do you expect to have?  You are 100% concerned with fielding a team today and I am interested in constructing a team that can actually contend.  

LOL.  Exactly, if it isn't any good, then why is it relevant? Aaraez won't move. Maybe they will move Urshela and do full time over there with Miranda. 

But I just don't see stuff like you are saying relying on 2 prospects to fill 3B and trading away starting pitchers when you are a contending team. 

I've read your posts and lot of them are pretty good, mostly Pohlad pocket protector-ish, but usually well thought out. This line of trade scenarios, etc you suggested though don't make sense to me. 

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2 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

LOL.  Exactly, if it isn't any good, then why is it relevant? Aaraez won't move. Maybe they will move Urshela and do full time over there with Miranda. 

But I just don't see stuff like you are saying relying on 2 prospects to fill 3B and trading away starting pitchers when you are a contending team. 

I've read your posts and lot of them are pretty good, mostly Pohlad pocket protector-ish, but usually well thought out. This line of trade scenarios, etc you suggested though don't make sense to me. 

Then they must be horribly ill-conceived if they don't make sense to you. 

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1 minute ago, Battle ur tail off said:

In my opinion they are, that doesn't mean it's gospel. Usually teams don't get rid of a third of their rotation or make infield holes though when they are in first place. 

Most teams in 1st place don't have the 15th best odds of winning the WS.  In other words, they are not mediocre teams.  You can insist they are a contender all you like.  Outside / unbiased industry professionals don't agree.  They are in 1st place because the division has been weak not because they are a great team.  7 Teams not in first place have better odds than the Twins.  The whole 1st place argument is a head in the sand insistence that manage for the immediate even though it will impede the playing time investment needed for all their young talent. 

They way I see it for next year, Miranda and $8M to spend on a free agent RP or $8M contributed to a top of the rotation SP is a far better outcome and we won't be back looking for a 3B in 2024.  We need long-term solutions not instead of average players producing an average team year after year because we won't invest in the future. 

Take a look how Cleveland's current teams is constructed.  8 of their top 13 players by WAR were acquired by trading establish talent.  The other 5 were drafted.

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Do Not keep Correa.  If he wants to leave, let him go.  The caveat here would be to use the 35 mill you are paying him to spend on some pitching.  What good is a 35 million dollar player going to do for you when it's likely your pitching and manager are going to keep you out? U like Correa but for a smaller market team on a budget it never has seemed to make much sense.

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The time to win is NOW! The Twins pissed away their previous World Series window in 2029-2020 by not making needed Bullpen additions.

Trading Roger's, Instead of adding to him was an aggregious mistake!

The last weeks worth of games are a clear Indicator of what I have been saying since day one.

As good as Correa is, signing him was just a marketing ploy. This team would have been far better off with Mitanda & Lewis at 3rd & SS and the 35M spent on a top flite bullpen.

Lewis would NOT have been played out of position and therefore NOT gotten hurt.

The window is still open, but to create the synergy the team needs to win the Bullpen must be addressed.

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15 minutes ago, KBJ1 said:

The time to win is NOW! The Twins pissed away their previous World Series window in 2029-2020 by not making needed Bullpen additions.

Trading Roger's, Instead of adding to him was an aggregious mistake!

The last weeks worth of games are a clear Indicator of what I have been saying since day one.

As good as Correa is, signing him was just a marketing ploy. This team would have been far better off with Mitanda & Lewis at 3rd & SS and the 35M spent on a top flite bullpen.

Lewis would NOT have been played out of position and therefore NOT gotten hurt.

The window is still open, but to create the synergy the team needs to win the Bullpen must be addressed.

Had the rookies not fielded like the team in the movie Major League, the Twins would have won, it is t he fielding gave away the game, not the pitcher.

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This team as currently constructed cannot win the WS....they can be a competitive team but will be an early exit from the playoffs.....So I would be open to trading anyone you get value for......until we can get some home grown stud pitchers, since we won't go get one on the open Market...we need to keep kicking it down the road....if you get value for anyone you trade add young talent and see if it can develop.....pitching, pitching....pitching.......

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I don’t have names to list but think Twins have 3 areas of concern,

1). The Twins should add 2 RP’s, one being a closer, and hopefully under control thru 2023.

2). The Twins tipped there hand on Correa by playing Lewis in CF, a wrong decision in my mind.  Think the plan is to keep Correa beyond 2022, which I hope happens.  His leadership impressive, unlike our 3rd baseman last year.  In 2023 the Twins may be in the same situation with Lewis.  If so, leave him in the infield!

3)  I recently calculated that as a team the Twins have almost a 25% strikeout rate (batting).  I don’t know what the MLB average rate is but that seems high to me.  For a team to be truly successful  that strikeout rate needs to come down.

 

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1 minute ago, CarolinaTwin said:

I don’t have names to list but think Twins have 3 areas of concern,

1). The Twins should add 2 RP’s, one being a closer, and hopefully under control thru 2023.

2). The Twins tipped there hand on Correa by playing Lewis in CF, a wrong decision in my mind.  Think the plan is to keep Correa beyond 2022, which I hope happens.  His leadership impressive, unlike our 3rd baseman last year.  In 2023 the Twins may be in the same situation with Lewis.  If so, leave him in the infield!

3)  I recently calculated that as a team the Twins have almost a 25% strikeout rate (batting).  I don’t know what the MLB average rate is but that seems high to me.  For a team to be truly successful  that strikeout rate needs to come down.

 

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If they absolutely continue to refuse to address pitching then Sell!! Correa will not stay on a team that is not serious about winning.  Same with any other FA that might come at the deadline or next year. Top players want to win. Does Pohlad?

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I think the Twins need to Buy SP & RP there has been numerous articles about who is available, Now it time to find out. with additions you automatically have subtractions. So the idea of dumping players is not a problem unless you do something stupid but so far the Twins have done well with the Trades they have made.

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5 hours ago, CarolinaTwin said:

I don’t have names to list but think Twins have 3 areas of concern,

1). The Twins should add 2 RP’s, one being a closer, and hopefully under control thru 2023.

2). The Twins tipped there hand on Correa by playing Lewis in CF, a wrong decision in my mind.  Think the plan is to keep Correa beyond 2022, which I hope happens.  His leadership impressive, unlike our 3rd baseman last year.  In 2023 the Twins may be in the same situation with Lewis.  If so, leave him in the infield!

3)  I recently calculated that as a team the Twins have almost a 25% strikeout rate (batting).  I don’t know what the MLB average rate is but that seems high to me.  For a team to be truly successful  that strikeout rate needs to come down.

 

Welcome to Twins Daily!

FYI the Twins came into today with a 22.2% strikeout rate which is exactly league average. They have the 17th lowest SO% in baseball. Worst is LAA at 25.6% and best is Cleveland at 18.5%.

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4 hours ago, MGM4706 said:

If they absolutely continue to refuse to address pitching then Sell!! Correa will not stay on a team that is not serious about winning.  Same with any other FA that might come at the deadline or next year. Top players want to win. Does Pohlad?

That's an interesting argument. Correa was on a perennial WS contender (a team he actually won a WS with) and left for a team coming off a last place finish in maybe the worst division in baseball. It would seem that winning was perhaps not as high on his list of desires as you suggest.

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4 hours ago, MGM4706 said:

If they absolutely continue to refuse to address pitching then Sell!! Correa will not stay on a team that is not serious about winning.  Same with any other FA that might come at the deadline or next year. Top players want to win. Does Pohlad?

Interesting take on Correa considering he already once decided to sign with the Twins. 
 

The starting pitching has been good, they just need experience. It’s the relievers that are the issue, and relievers are cheap. Energy team can afford every reliever. Find a different argument. Mentioning Correa and saying the Pohlad’s are cheap in the same post is pretty laughable.

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On 6/20/2022 at 2:39 PM, Doctor Gast said:

No doubter, BUY. We have an unique opportunity when CC fell into our hands to make and advance in the post season. Yes we have a few weaknesses, that's why we need to be aggressive buyers. We can't be wishy/ washy by standing pat or buy/ sell or worse yet like Dman said absolutely not punting.

ATL was in a lot worse position last year than us and they chose to buy. And they became WS champs. Things could easily gel for us, together with some key pieces we could also put it all together and win the WS.

This FO has never been buyers at the deadline even when we were doing very good like '19 &'20. They love to be courted to sell. I'd like this FO to step up and show us that they can be big buyer w/o wavering at the deadline. If not it'd be very sad indeed.

This! Even if they bought a big time closer and a good setup man as a minimum would go a long ways towards fixing this team’s warts.

 

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Count me as one who does not want to trade Urshela.   Miranda is not even close on either side of the ball to him.   I would move both Miranda and Larnach if you could get anything for either.     I would extend Urshela, let Correa opt out (Lewis really looks like he is ready) and see if either Celestino or Gordon have any value.

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On 6/20/2022 at 1:53 PM, nicksaviking said:

There is zero reason to sell, even if you don't buy that this team is ready to win a WS.

There is NO ROOM for more prospects on the 40 man. It wouldn't be a trade of Correa for prospects A, B and C, it would be a trade of Correa AND Brent Headrick AND Alex Isola for prospects A, B and C. If you take back more prospects, the team is going to have to get rid of some, and unlike most years, they ones they'd have to get rid of look really, really good. They need to clear 40 man spots at the moment, not add to them.

I think it would be more open-minded to say they should be mindful of the 40-man if they were to make trades.  There are certainly trade opportunities where the players coming back don’t need to be added to the 40-man the following season.  For example, when the Twins traded Escobar for Duran, he was not added until the end of the following season.  So, if the Twins were able to make a similar trade of Urshela for a Duran equivalent, the 40-man would actually be reduced by 1 player.  Another example would be when the Twins reduced the 40-man by 1 while adding two prospects (Alcala / Celestino) when they traded Ryan Pressly.  

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Contrary to many of the posts above, I am only presenting my opinions.  No statements like "Correa will opt out" or that Lewis would have not been hurt if he played SS.  No one knows that either would/might have happened. So here are my thoughts for the remainder of 2022.

1.  Stay out of the battle for a good SP.   The rumors I've heard are that the Dodgers, Blue Jays, Atlanta, and Mets may be looking for SP also.  The Twins are probably not going to beat offers from those teams.  Make a decent offer but avoid the conflict.

2.  Look hard for decent RPs - preferable with a contract that extends beyond the 2022 World Series.

3.  Make a serious attempt to get a commitment from Correa for 2023.  The result of this effort might provide an answer to whether or not to trade Correa.  (Maybe this should be #1).

4.  Don't even think about trading players like Kepler, Sano, etc.  Other teams probably will only trade a good player for prospects.  If you can trade them for a decent RP, then that would be an added bonus.

5.  Get Miranda in the lineup on a consistent basis somewhere.  It seems like this is the time to find out if you have a major league player or another of the mythical AAAA players.

Just random thoughts from an old fart's mind.

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I had to respond a little of both. The Twins have a log jam at the top. You have Arraez, Kiriloff, Larnach, Miranda, Urshela, and Sano competing for some combination of 3rd/1st and LF. Trading any of those feels like selling, and are arguably too redundant. Kiriloff, Larnach and Miranda all given their level of development should be playing almost every day, but are essentially blocked by the other players on the list, whether its due to roster spots or definitely in the case Arraez needs to play every day to give the team the best shot at winning. 

So given that, one or two of the players should be traded in order to shore up a weakness of this year's team. Not prospect capital (unless that prospect capital is then being flipped again for help this year).

If we trade Urshella and a prospect for a high end reliever, did we sell or buy? I think of it as shuffling. 

I would like to see the Twins make a shuffle style moves this season, and I don't particularly care which person is shuffled in/out so long as in the end we are net upgrading (especially the bullpen).

You could make an argument that Kepler, Polanco, Gordon fall in that same category but I see those players have having locked in and defined places on the team. 

If the Twins could sign Correa to a long term deal, I would consider trading Lewis too as he would then fall under the same category of already mentioned names.

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I voted "buy," but I do not yet fully trust this FO to make the right moves. The shadow of Sam Dyson looms large, and I've yet to ever see the Twins land impact pitching in a pennant race.

It may be a moot point come the deadline, though. With this shaky bullpen and very limited rotation, the Twins could easily be 5+ games behind Cleveland within a month. If that's the case, you sell Kepler, Sano, Archer, Sanchez and possibly Correa and hope for wiser signings over the offseason. 

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On 6/21/2022 at 6:40 AM, TwinsDr2021 said:

Interesting I thought they were saying they continue reload from the minors,

They reload through a variety of means, considering this is a whole thread about trading for players I thought my intentions on what I meant were pretty clear. 

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