The Potential Cost of Acquiring Pitching in Trades

[dxpavelka]

Can't see moving both Martin AND Miller.   Not with the uncertainty surrounding Correa and Lewis and the fact that Palacios will turn 26 in another month and hit only .208 in his first big league go around.

[ashbury]

Up the middle talent is always coveted by trading partners. Trading two, even for a starting pitcher, is not to be done lightly, especially since pitching prospects will also be part of the deal.

[MTV]

15 hours ago, High heat said:

I don’t want to give up big future pieces for a starter.  
 

wonder what Kyle Hendricks would cost?

 

I feel the bullpen need more help then the starting staff, like 3 additional.  Bullpen has been taxed with a lot of inning thus far.

Kyle Hendricks isn’t necessarily a bad option, but has struggled the past couple years, and I doubt the Twins want to eat 2 years and $28 million plus a $16 million buy-out of his contract

[MTV]

I agree the Twins should trade for Montas, but don’t throw away players you need. I think the Twins HAVE to hold on to Lewis, Miranda, Kirilloff, Moran, and Arraez. I think inevitably Austin Martin is the true top trade chip, try and trade off him and 3 other top prospects (I like Brayan Medina, Blayne Enlow, and Keoni Cavaco) to make the deal complete.

The Twins should be in the market for 1 more back-end starter who will put up better numbers than Archer and Bundy but not break the budget (Drew Smyly, Wade Miley, Jordan Lyles, and Jake Odorizzi fit the mold) and then bolster up the Bullpen with 2-3 Relievers, probably 1 closer and 1-2 backup arms (Jorge Lopez, David Bednar, David Robertson, and Lou Trevino would close, while guys like Mychal Givens or Chris Stratton would be low-leverage fits) 

[MTV]

The Twins just need to look for who stands out and could be a trade chip. Martin and Balazovic could be high-end pieces, Noah Miller, Misael Urbina, and Brayan Medina have more uncertain futures and could compliment a trade well, and I honestly think the Twins should pass on 3-True outcome players like Matt Wallner and Aaron Sabato. Other players like Drew Strotman, Keoni Cavaco, Alerick Soularie, and Marco Raya could be the back-end of a trade and not lose much. The Twins have a lot prospects to trade with, and I can’t wait to see what they do.

[High heat]

8 hours ago, MTV said:

Kyle Hendricks isn’t necessarily a bad option, but has struggled the past couple years, and I doubt the Twins want to eat 2 years and $28 million plus a $16 million buy-out of his contract

I suggested it because he would likely only cost $. 
 

25 million over the next yr and a half, he hasn’t been great but he is a control pitcher and would likely go well with th twins good defense compared to the Cubs terrible defense. 
 

he adds you a veteran playoff experienced arm and I believe the Twins are still under budget.  

[GeorgiaBaller]

 

Bullpen guys need to be the trade targets---not starters once the season begins.  Bullpens dominate the playoffs, with the exception of maybe 15 starters that dominate in the MLB.

SS prospects should make the best trade bait right now---but I am not opposed to trading Kiriloff.  I like his skill set, but the kind of injuries he has had are repetitive motion injuries and those seem to be recurring---and he has had several.  Wrist injuries are terrible for a hitter.  I can't help but feel he has the injury bug and will be out some decent portion of every season.  His injuries have to been from collision on bases or with a fence---they are from playing regularly.

It may rub some people the wrong way to harp on injuries, but the reality is if a player cannot be on the field, they cannot help the team---and that has to be weighted as a factor in their overall performance score.

 

[GeorgiaBaller]

 His injuries have NOT been from collision on bases or with a fence---they are from playing regularly.  (correction to above)

[Whitey333]

Perhaps this isn't the year to go all in.  I really don't know.  But contending just doesn't happen every year.  Look at 2021.  We need pitching and have needed it since winter.  Although a couple of good pieces were added, this pitching staff seems to be hanging by a thread.  Starting pitching is good amongst the top two or so but then a big dropoff.  Starters have to consistently get us through 6 innings.  The bullpen is average at best and will only wear down more due to overuse.  We need help if plan is to contend this year.  If not then I don't think we should give up much in prospects.  However, prospects are just that:. Prospects until they have proven themselves at the major league level .

[Trov]

First, I think the cost of getting Mantas will be pretty high.  He is not a HOF bound guy, but he is best out there and as we get closer to deadline there will be a team thinking he will make the difference of getting into playoffs.  My assessment is two fold for the NEED for upgrade at upgrading pitching.  

First, are they needed to get us to the playoffs?  Then what kind of a difference will they make?  I do not think we need to upgrade to make the playoffs, provided our top end guys come back from injury soon.  Our pen will get us into the playoffs as well I believe.  

Now when we make it, will they be that big of a difference maker? Some top guys can be, the most recent deadline trade I can think of that helped push a team to the ship was Houston 2017, who it looks like gave up basically at best bench players for him.  Great deal for Houston.  Johnny Cueto was traded to KC in 2015 and he helped in playoffs having 2 good games 1 okay game and 1 bad game.  Of note, during the regular season he had a stretch of 5 terrible games, but had about 5 great games too, However, beyond that I cannot find too many deadline deals that led to WS wins, and if you give up your full farm system you better end up with a ship, else it was a failure. 

If the Twins feel Montas will be a big addition to next years rotation, which I do not feel he will be needed, then I would be okay with a deal, but if he is not needed to fill out the rotation I do not feel he is that much better than what we would march out there, and you never know what the playoffs will bring.  He could pitch 1 great game but never get another game, or he pitches several duds, or he could go on a mad bum like run and carry us to the ship.  You never know. 

 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Trov said:

First, I think the cost of getting Mantas will be pretty high.  He is not a HOF bound guy, but he is best out there and as we get closer to deadline there will be a team thinking he will make the difference of getting into playoffs.  My assessment is two fold for the NEED for upgrade at upgrading pitching.  

First, are they needed to get us to the playoffs?  Then what kind of a difference will they make?  I do not think we need to upgrade to make the playoffs, provided our top end guys come back from injury soon.  Our pen will get us into the playoffs as well I believe.  

Now when we make it, will they be that big of a difference maker? Some top guys can be, the most recent deadline trade I can think of that helped push a team to the ship was Houston 2017, who it looks like gave up basically at best bench players for him.  Great deal for Houston.  Johnny Cueto was traded to KC in 2015 and he helped in playoffs having 2 good games 1 okay game and 1 bad game.  Of note, during the regular season he had a stretch of 5 terrible games, but had about 5 great games too, However, beyond that I cannot find too many deadline deals that led to WS wins, and if you give up your full farm system you better end up with a ship, else it was a failure. 

If the Twins feel Montas will be a big addition to next years rotation, which I do not feel he will be needed, then I would be okay with a deal, but if he is not needed to fill out the rotation I do not feel he is that much better than what we would march out there, and you never know what the playoffs will bring.  He could pitch 1 great game but never get another game, or he pitches several duds, or he could go on a mad bum like run and carry us to the ship.  You never know. 

 

Who are the 5 pitchers better than Montas next year (or this)? He's better (and healthier) than any Twins pitcher. 

By the logic of the last sentence, you never trade for anyone at the deadline, I guess?

Oakland also has two catchers playing better than Jeffers right now....and a RP or two.....if you really want to do a blockbuster.

[MMMordabito]

Since when is Cody Stashak a starter, and is anyone really surprised that Jose Miranda is hitting home runs?

Martin is a great piece for making a trade when his trade value is declining?

No logistical reason for keeping (19 yo) Noah Miller in the system?

What does acquiring Montas or Mahle have to do with giving Cotton more growth opportunities?

A lot of this doesn't make any sense.

[twinstalker]

On 6/12/2022 at 11:20 PM, dxpavelka said:

Can't see moving both Martin AND Miller.   Not with the uncertainty surrounding Correa and Lewis and the fact that Palacios will turn 26 in another month and hit only .208 in his first big league go around.

Martin and Miller is a small price.  Miller is five years away and Martin is both bad and not a shortstop.  Oh, and there's a good chance Miller is never more than utility/backup.

I don't even know who we're talking about, but if we get Montas for that, I'm happy.