Where's all the Taylor Rogers talk now?????

[cheeseheadgophfan]

 

Last seven games he is 0-3 with a 10.5 ERA.......

He's now blown 3 saves on the year.......he ain't perfect.  Just sayin'

 

 

[Wyotwinsfan]

That’s too bad for Taylor.  I think he has pitched in a lot of games. As of right now, it looks like neither team won that deal.  

[Rosterman]

Well, we lost with Pagan, so it all evens out in the end.

Pitchers have ups and downs. Hendriks was horrible his first few games, but is now pretty solid.

Ultimastely, if Rogers had stayed ith the Twins - THEY STILL NEEDED A REAL CLOSER.

AND THEY STILL...DO!

[old nurse]

1 hour ago, Rosterman said:

Well, we lost with Pagan, so it all evens out in the end.

Pitchers have ups and downs. Hendriks was horrible his first few games, but is now pretty solid.

Ultimastely, if Rogers had stayed ith the Twins - THEY STILL NEEDED A REAL CLOSER.

AND THEY STILL...DO!

8 LOB, Pagan is the pitcher of record but wasn’t the sole reason. It was a  team effort

[bighat]

I think most of us haven't talked about Taylor Rogers all season. We've seen him be dominant in a Twins uniform, we've also seen him go through tough patches and implode. But that's all for Padres fans to worry about.

Checking in on how Rogers or Berrios are doing this year is just like checking your ex-girlfriend's facebook page. There's really nothing good that can come of it. Don't bother.

[dxpavelka]

1 hour ago, bighat said:

I think most of us haven't talked about Taylor Rogers all season. We've seen him be dominant in a Twins uniform, we've also seen him go through tough patches and implode. But that's all for Padres fans to worry about.

Checking in on how Rogers or Berrios are doing this year is just like checking your ex-girlfriend's facebook page. There's really nothing good that can come of it. Don't bother.

And yet as long as she has a facebook page you're gonna check it.

[stringer bell]

A little tough sledding for T-Rog. As long as he is healthy, he’ll be fine. 
 

 

[terrydactyls]

1 hour ago, bighat said:

I think most of us haven't talked about Taylor Rogers all season.

Haven't you read any of the articles about how bad the Twins relief pitching is?  Every one of them complains about the Rogers trade.  I think saying "most of us haven't talked about Taylor Rogers" is a complete swing and a miss on your part.  And speaking of swing and a miss, any word on Sano?

[Trov]

This is Rogers, he always has been this way.  He will have great runs of dominate pitching, then he will have runs of terrible outings.  One thing he always seemed to struggle with was overuse, his back to back day outings the second day was normally much worse.  

The Padres are doing the classic he is our closer and use him every save chance, and for most part he did well early on, 17 saves. 6 were 1 run saves. However, he is on pace for the most games and innings pitched he has ever done. The most he had before was 2019 of 60 games and 69 innings.  2018 he had 72 games and 68 innings.

This year he is on pace for over 80 games and nearly 100 innings.  Of course that may even out as the year moves on or he may get a DL stint.  I still maintain that having Rogers would not make any difference in our record so far this season.  Maybe 1 or 2 wins, but we do not know because he may have blown them as well, or maybe he would have blown different ones. 

I hope for Rogers he gets back to doing well, but I hope this stretch is showing the fans that think it was the worst trade ever made see maybe Rogers is who we thought he was, a good pen guy, but not a lights out every day closer. 

[nicksaviking]

He's only allowed one HR all year and his H/9 is an impressive 5.6. Looks like his velocity is down, but looking at past trends, it seems his velocity doesn't build up until midsummer most seasons.

In any case, I'd be more than fine with Rogers having an 'average' year and then re-signing him in the offseason on a more affordable contract than what would have been required if kept that 0.00 ERA all season.

[USAFChief]

I'll be happy to talk about Rogers now. As I was then.

 

Trading Rogers from an already weak and thin pen was a bad idea if you're serious about contending, and it still is.

[raindog]

He still has an ERA of 3.27 and a FIP of 2.87. Also, he's vaccinated, unlike Pagán. 

[DJL44]

Selective hindsight is the best. There's an article about the Berrios trade on the front page, too. The best thing about athletes is they almost always have a bad week or get hurt and you can wait until then to trot out your best "I told you so!"

They took a risk to add to the rotation by subtracting from the bullpen. That is a move that is generally a good idea. I want an organization that is willing to take risks. They won't all work out perfectly.

[KirbyDome89]

Paddack just underwent TJ surgery. Pagan's magic act has started to fade, including yesterdays blown save, and all those baserunners are finding their way home. Probably not the best time to start serving crow. Some of you need to stop frequenting Twitter, and fast....

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

The original poster is being needlessly antagonistic here. There were, and are, legitimate reasons to question the Rogers deal, and I say that as someone who was lukewarm on the deal with a slight bent toward it being the right decision to make.

It was a risky deal at the time, probably even moreso today. Rogers' past handful of innings don't move the needle much one way or the other.

[a-wan]

The fact the Mets failed Paddock due to his elbow then the Twins rolled the dice for him sucks. But getting a 26 year old starter with Paddock's velocity is worth a roll of the dice. Especially for a reliever.

[bunsen82]

Rogers is a good player.  I also think he had an advantage playing in the NL early where no one has seen his stuff.   It is never fun to trade a player like Rogers or Berrios,  however sometimes it needs to be done.  In general the Twins appear to make good decisions on the prospects they have targeted,  but ultimately it is up to those players and health on how it turns out.  I still hope Rogers gets back on track,  but also hope Pagan is able to do better, Paddack gets healthy and the minor league pitcher is a decent addition.  

The calculus completely changes on Paddack if the twins are confident in their 9-12 month recover with the new surgery rather than the previous 18 -24 months with the old surgery.  However if that was in the calculus,  I question not doing the surgery immediately rather than letting it go another 6 weeks.  Paddack looks like a decent starting pitcher and hopefully still is but that can be questionable especially after a second surgery.   

[Mike Sixel]

4 hours ago, USAFChief said:

I'll be happy to talk about Rogers now. As I was then.

 

Trading Rogers from an already weak and thin pen was a bad idea if you're serious about contending, and it still is.

And yet, they clearly needed another starter. Gotta give up players to get them. But I get it....

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, bunsen82 said:

Rogers is a good player.  I also think he had an advantage playing in the NL early where no one has seen his stuff.   It is never fun to trade a player like Rogers or Berrios,  however sometimes it needs to be done.  In general the Twins appear to make good decisions on the prospects they have targeted,  but ultimately it is up to those players and health on how it turns out.  I still hope Rogers gets back on track,  but also hope Pagan is able to do better, Paddack gets healthy and the minor league pitcher is a decent addition.  

The calculus completely changes on Paddack if the twins are confident in their 9-12 month recover with the new surgery rather than the previous 18 -24 months with the old surgery.  However if that was in the calculus,  I question not doing the surgery immediately rather than letting it go another 6 weeks.  Paddack looks like a decent starting pitcher and hopefully still is but that can be questionable especially after a second surgery.   

You don't cut open a human if you don't have to. That's why they waited. 

[chpettit19]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

You don't cut open a human if you don't have to. That's why they waited. 

There's definitely a Jeffrey Dahmer joke in here somewhere...

[cheeseheadgophfan]

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

The original poster is being needlessly antagonistic here. There were, and are, legitimate reasons to question the Rogers deal, and I say that as someone who was lukewarm on the deal with a slight bent toward it being the right decision to make.

It was a risky deal at the time, probably even moreso today. Rogers' past handful of innings don't move the needle much one way or the other.

You're right....the title of the post came across as dickish.....My point remains that 90% of the people on here were acting like Rogers is this near-perfect dominant closer which he has NEVER been!  He has his ups and downs and is best suited for a 7th or 8th inning role, but he wants to be paid like a closer.  My apologies for the antagonism......

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

You're right....the title of the post came across as dickish.....My point remains that 90% of the people on here were acting like Rogers is this near-perfect dominant closer which he has NEVER been!  He has his ups and downs and is best suited for a 7th or 8th inning role, but he wants to be paid like a closer.  My apologies for the antagonism......

No worries. I don’t think the deal is clear cut in either direction. Paddack was a risk, one that didn’t go well for the Twins. And, as you said, Rogers is something of a risk himself. 

[KirbyDome89]

23 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Gotta give up players to get them.

100%, and it's forgotten far too often when talking about trade proposals. 

I think Ashbury had the best take on the Rogers/Paddack swap, which was "aim higher." Not that Rogers alone was going to seal that deal, but if you need a starter (they did) and you're dealing an elite arm from an already wobbly bullpen, rolling the dice on a reclamation project with elbow issues might not be the best gamble. 

[Trov]

40 minutes ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

You're right....the title of the post came across as dickish.....My point remains that 90% of the people on here were acting like Rogers is this near-perfect dominant closer which he has NEVER been!  He has his ups and downs and is best suited for a 7th or 8th inning role, but he wants to be paid like a closer.  My apologies for the antagonism......

I am right there with ya, there are a few that over value Rogers, and was using his quick start as a reason.  Some were saying if we had him we would have even more wins, which I find unlikely, maybe 1 or 2 at most.  I am worried for Rogers that he is getting overused and will fade as season goes on. 

[Dman]

Unless injured or over used I think Taylor Rogers is going to have a typical Rogers year.  He always has games where he is hittable and when over used with the Twins even just back to back days he generally doesn't perform well.  Also as mentioned teams are starting to figure out most of those balls he is throwing are not going to land in the strike zone.  Get ahead of Rogers and he is vulnerable like any other pitcher.

I still like the trade from the Twins side.  They needed another starter. They thought Pagan was serviceable and they added a pretty decent pitching prospect to top it off.  All that for just one year of Rogers and some money thrown in.  Hasn't worked out as well as I would have hoped but I still think there is untapped value there on the Twins side.

Rogers has already given the Padres a lot of value this year as it is.  He won't be this bad for long.  Unless of course he is injured.

[bean5302]

Taylor Rogers is a great closer and relief pitcher. He wasn't going to be sub 0.50 ERA all year, though. Rogers had an overdue correction and I expect him to get right back to pitching excellent as he has now for the past 6 years. It was clear the Falvey was going to push him out as soon as possible as we approached the trade deadline last year.

I didn't like the trade when we made it and I still don't.

[TeJayDubz]

This whole season so far I've been saying the Twins need to be okay with making splashes, and potentially unpopular trades and be okay if they implode, as long as it was done with the intention of making the team better. I do believe the Rogers trade was made with the intention of making the team better, regardless of opinion on if it actually did make the team better or not. 

I was okay with the Rogers trade because of Paddack and Pagan's upside, and I stand by that. Even with Paddack rehabbing TJ and Pagan giving me a heart attack every outing. We still have several years of control on both of them and I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have made a serious effort to lock him up long term. Not to mention we have SO MANY potential viable bullpen arms in AAA and AA that are pitching well, both prospects and depth pieces. 

We'll see who the winner is in a couple of years, but in my very uneducated opinion the Twins need to be willing to take more risks like this to stay competitive.

[Shaitan]

Rogers is a good pitcher, but he's not elite.

Personally, I think he wouldn't been mediocre here this year anyway. A baseless hunch. He seems to perform best when surrounded by more high leverage arms. In MIN, he'd be the guy and he was pretty inconsistent the past couple of years. He was due for a change of scenery, as they say.

Best of luck to him.

I also still think you take 2 years of a SP for 1 year of RP almost every time.

[h2oface]

On 6/3/2022 at 4:01 AM, bighat said:

I think most of us haven't talked about Taylor Rogers all season. We've seen him be dominant in a Twins uniform, we've also seen him go through tough patches and implode. But that's all for Padres fans to worry about.

Checking in on how Rogers or Berrios are doing this year is just like checking your ex-girlfriend's facebook page. There's really nothing good that can come of it. Don't bother.

Maybe. But for me, it is about the players I grow fond of. I really liked the way Berrios did his job. He cared. He took care of himself and made a very disiplined effort to be and become the best player he could. He wasn't a slob that never made any attempt to be a better athlete. He was a good fielder, and skipped off the mound. It is not necessarily just about who is on the team that I have followed since childhood. Many times, I don't like some of the players we have much at all. Visitors. One year rentals. Guys that cheat, were not reticent about it, and basically got away with it without consequece and are now on "my team" are still not my go to. I love baseball first, and then have a favorite team (sometimes.... sometimes a love/hate relationship), and a couple of other teams that I follow because of my location, or I like the players and their style of playing. I appreciate talent and hard work. and really appreciate when they have both. I still like the player that a FO trades or gets rid of because they are too cheap to keep them. I like to see them do well, and I don't mind lamenting that they no longer get to do it for my favorite team. I think plenty of good can come from checking in.

[tony&rodney]

FWIW, I would take Rogers back in a heartbeat, especially if the Padres pay his salary.