"Handful" of Twins won't travel to Toronto

[wabene]

19 minutes ago, old nurse said:

Rodriguez Gonzales and Canterino are not on the 40 man roster

Which won't matter in Toronto

[Rosterman]

5 hours ago, old nurse said:

Rodriguez Gonzales and Canterino are not on the 40 man roster

With COVID, you get the luxury of bringing in temporary roster folks and can send them back out without sending them thru waivers. So great for those minor league free agents you want a quick looksee. Not sure if can dip down to AA, or the guy has to advance up to AAA. Are there restrictions (Seth?). Otherwise, with Correa on COVID list, the Twins could, say, bring up Martin for 10 days. Now wouldn't that be soemthing. But still not have him on the 40-man when Correa returns. 

[jorgenswest]

45 minutes ago, old nurse said:

Rodriguez Gonzales and Canterino are not on the 40 man roster

I think there is an agreement with the union that they can be temporarily placed on 40 and returned/removed without option or DFA.

[Greglw3]

On 5/29/2022 at 2:03 PM, tony&rodney said:

He couldn't play in the United States either.

Ladies and gentlemen, he’ll be here all week!

[curt1965]

We all should realize these players only play for themselves-not the fans, not their teammates, and especially not the organization. We all get wrapped up following “OUR” team, but “OUR” players don’t give a flying f**k about anything other than their next contract.

Souhan’s example of the Viking’s leaders-Cousins and Harrison Smith-missing games “their” team ended up losing, was a spot on example of selfish behavior. 

Unfortunately, games in June count the same as games in September…….

[Puckettsprintstofirst]

5 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

And I understand as a follower of the team/fan.....why that isn't unfair.  It's frustrating to watch your team go into a series handicapped unnecessarily.

Agree to disagree 

[se7799]

52 minutes ago, curt1965 said:

We all should realize these players only play for themselves-not the fans, not their teammates, and especially not the organization. We all get wrapped up following “OUR” team, but “OUR” players don’t give a flying f**k about anything other than their next contract.

Souhan’s example of the Viking’s leaders-Cousins and Harrison Smith-missing games “their” team ended up losing, was a spot on example of selfish behavior. 

Unfortunately, games in June count the same as games in September…….

You could not be more wrong about some of the players and how much they do care about others.  So sorry you feel this way.

[TwinsDr2021]

13 hours ago, PatPfund said:

 I think Souhan's column was spot on. Yep, it's a personal decision, but yep, it can have serious implications for your team, and your place on that team. It's also a decision you don't make once, but every day.

Any unvaxxed player could have looked at the standings a couple weeks ago, and thought 'dang, we're in this, and the team might need me in Toronto', and walked into a drugstore, gotten a J&J shot, and been ready to roll this week.

Can't help but think this also could weigh in on anybody seeking free agency. There are 3 big-spending franchises in the AL East, and two are 100% vaxxed. Can't do anything about existing contracts, but I'd guess vax status is something you could ask free agents since it now could materially affect their availability to play for you.

Correct me if I am wrong this is just three games correct? This series will not decide the Twins season. (that could be different if they are playing Tor in the playoffs and bridge to cross later)

Maybe we give whoever the players are the benefit of the doubt that they have done their research and made a decision that is best for them and their family, even if we disagree with them. Players made decision every day that we don't know about that may affect the team.

 

[TwinsDr2021]

On 5/29/2022 at 11:33 AM, Squirrel said:

How many is a ‘handful’? Is there anyone left in St. Paul to bring up for the trip?

As a reminder, whatever your personal feelings on covid and vaccinations, these are the rules of customs and immigration of another country. MLB has to work within that framework. Discuss the roster crunch, not covid and vaccinations, please.

Well I think this message hasn't been followed, Most (not all) of the messages on here are exactly what you said they should NOT be.

[USAFChief]

4 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Correct me if I am wrong this is just three games correct? This series will not decide the Twins season. (that could be different if they are playing Tor in the playoffs and bridge to cross later)

Maybe we give whoever the players are the benefit of the doubt that they have done their research and made a decision that is best for them and their family, even if we disagree with them. Players made decision every day that we don't know about that may affect the team.

 

Paragraph 2...OK. I guess.

Paragraph 1...not so much. 3 games can and has decided pennant races before, and I'll wager will again. The number of games they miss is not the point.

 

[TwinsDr2021]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Paragraph 2...OK. I guess.

Paragraph 1...not so much. 3 games can and has decided pennant races before, and I'll wager will again. The number of games they miss is not the point.

 

And we won't know until the games are played, correct? So if the Twins go 0 - 3 and miss the wild card game by less than 3. Is it solely on the players that couldn't travel? Because we will never how the series would have played out. But I can tell you now at least 3 games that a player or manager hasn't come though and cost the twins 3 games already this year.  And what happens if the Twins go 3 - 0 or even 2 - 1 are we going to thank them for not going? I know the answer it is no.

So the real part of the topic to be discussed is what has the FO been doing to prepare for this, they have known all season this is coming, and withthe free use of the 40 man this should be a perfect time for them to get a few more prospects checked out

[USAFChief]

On 5/29/2022 at 9:27 PM, notoriousgod71 said:

"The Twins will be missing at least one frontline starting pitcher"

 

Souhan should be fired immediately for blatantly dishonest reporting.

Is it your contention the Twins WON'T be "missing at least one frontline starting pitcher??"

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

On 5/29/2022 at 9:51 PM, KirbyDome89 said:

Keep in mind this might not be their only trip to Toronto if each club continues winning games. 3 games in June isn't a disaster, 3 games in October might be....

Oh, I hadn't even considered October.

This will be entertaining, as Toronto is highly likely to grab at least a WC spot.

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

So the real part of the topic to be discussed is what has the FO been doing to prepare for this, they have known all season this is coming, and withthe free use of the 40 man this should be a perfect time for them to get a few more prospects checked out

It's been mentioned in more than a few articles that they have been planning for this since ST. However, what you can't always plan for is the number of injuries you have, too. So far we've been able to supplement our roster and it's worked out okay. But now, on top of the injuries, we have 5 other players who can't make the trip. That's a lot. Thankfully (or maybe  not thankfully, won't know until the games are done), we can add players to the 26-man and remove them without penalty (covid rule). Toronto is a good team. Getting past them or getting equal to them is going to require our best team. We won't have that no matter how the FO plans for it, for one reason or another.

[Number3]

I'll put it another way. Who cares about the Toronto series? It shouldn't matter and if it does it doesn't make any difference. I wonder what the price of tea in China will be next week.

[TheLeviathan]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

And we won't know until the games are played, correct? So if the Twins go 0 - 3 and miss the wild card game by less than 3. Is it solely on the players that couldn't travel? Because we will never how the series would have played out. But I can tell you now at least 3 games that a player or manager hasn't come though and cost the twins 3 games already this year.  And what happens if the Twins go 3 - 0 or even 2 - 1 are we going to thank them for not going? I know the answer it is no.

So the real part of the topic to be discussed is what has the FO been doing to prepare for this, they have known all season this is coming, and withthe free use of the 40 man this should be a perfect time for them to get a few more prospects checked out

The real part of the topic to discuss can be that.  It can also be how difficult that process was because of the personal choices made by those players.  The insistence to ignore that part of it is really telling.

If these were players that chose not to rehab injuries or get in shape for the season we wouldn't let their personal choices let them off the hook for the impact on the team.  Yet, here we are.  Their choices have consequences that will set the team behind.  Perhaps we overcome it and have a good series, that in no way changes the hardships leading up to it.

[TwinsDr2021]

3 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

The real part of the topic to discuss can be that.  It can also be how difficult that process was because of the personal choices made by those players.  The insistence to ignore that part of it is really telling.

If these were players that chose not to rehab injuries or get in shape for the season we wouldn't let their personal choices let them off the hook for the impact on the team.  Yet, here we are.  Their choices have consequences that will set the team behind.  Perhaps we overcome it and have a good series, that in no way changes the hardships leading up to it.

It is always difficult to miss players for games there is no denying that. If a player and his wife decided they want to start a family and have a child during the season (which probably means missing multiple games), can we/should we blame them for their choice? Because that could set the team behind as well, correct?

I guess I look at this different, this is a personal choice for everybody and it isn't my place to judge. I hope they have done the research and made an educated decision, that is a far as I go. These are 5 players making an individual choice not a collective group trying to hurt an organization (at least I hope so). I also assume the team new of their choice so they were given a chance to prepare, so I hope the team has done all it due diligence and figured out the rules and how to best take advantage of the situation, meaning they can use non 26/40 man players to fill in and see what they got, this could turn into a positive for the team and some prospects, and maybe it costs one of the 5 their jobs going forward.

To be honest there a many other things I worry about currently with the twins then these 5 guys not playing in 3 games. And if it truly is 4 pitchers and 1 position player it really shouldn't be very difficult to work around.

Finally fans and journalists (I use the word very loosely) pitting people against each other does nothing to help a game that really can't afford alienating anymore people. 

[bunsen82]

At this point better hope Smith and Duran and possibly Pagan are not 3 of the relievers that will be unavailable.  The late innings have the potential to be very rough for the Twins.  We will need some starters to go 7-8 innings most likely.  Which they have not been stretched out to do.  

[tarheeltwinsfan]

It's lucky for the Twins that Detroit is not in Canada. Also, lucky that the Twins are not in the AL East and have to go to Toronto 16 games or something like that. Hope the Twins don't have to play Toronto in October in the playoffs.  Maybe I should have fought "for my rights" not to have all those painful shots by air guns in both arms and both hips when I was shipped to Korea by the US Army. Baloney. 

11 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

It is always difficult to miss players for games there is no denying that. If a player and his wife decided they want to start a family and have a child during the season (which probably means missing multiple games), can we/should we blame them for their choice? Because that could set the team behind as well, correct?

I guess I look at this different, this is a personal choice for everybody and it isn't my place to judge. I hope they have done the research and made an educated decision, that is a far as I go. These are 5 players making an individual choice not a collective group trying to hurt an organization (at least I hope so). I also assume the team new of their choice so they were given a chance to prepare, so I hope the team has done all it due diligence and figured out the rules and how to best take advantage of the situation, meaning they can use non 26/40 man players to fill in and see what they got, this could turn into a positive for the team and some prospects, and maybe it costs one of the 5 their jobs going forward.

To be honest there a many other things I worry about currently with the twins then these 5 guys not playing in 3 games. And if it truly is 4 pitchers and 1 position player it really shouldn't be very difficult to work around.

Finally fans and journalists (I use the word very loosely) pitting people against each other does nothing to help a game that really can't afford alienating anymore people. 

How about "personal choices" to use performance enhancing drugs? Do you still feel it is not your place to judge? 

[notoriousgod71]

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Is it your contention the Twins WON'T be "missing at least one frontline starting pitcher??"

 

 

It is my contention that they do not have Frontline starting pitching. Ryan is still on the COVID list, Gray is hurt, and everyone else is below avg.

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, notoriousgod71 said:

It is my contention that they do not have Frontline starting pitching. Ryan is still on the COVID list, Gray is hurt, and everyone else is below avg.

 

[TwinsDr2021]

58 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

It's lucky for the Twins that Detroit is not in Canada. Also, lucky that the Twins are not in the AL East and have to go to Toronto 16 games or something like that. Hope the Twins don't have to play Toronto in October in the playoffs.  Maybe I should have fought "for my rights" not to have all those painful shots by air guns in both arms and both hips when I was shipped to Korea by the US Army. Baloney. 

How about "personal choices" to use performance enhancing drugs? Do you still feel it is not your place to judge? 

So you are comparing doing something illegal and against the rules of MLB to not getting a vaccination, which isn't illegal not to get or required by MLB, that is a ridiculous argument and you are better than that.

Detroit has never been in Canada so I am not sure it should be considered lucky? The Twins also are not in the AL East and again never have been to the best of my knowledge, so again I am not really sure we can use the word lucky. But if Detroit magically got moved to Canada or the Twins were moved to the AL East, I would assume the Twins FO would have to look much closer into which FA they signed, players they drafted and would even have to look into trading certain players because they haven't gotten the Covid vaccination.

I will also point out that each team in the East play the other team 19 times, and only half of those games are on the road, so 9 or 10 which is a bunch for a position player, possibly a relief pitcher, but not so much for a starter, and that should be able to be worked around.

Also, I did mention that playoffs could be an issue, but that was a bridge to cross later.

Finally, thank you very much for your service!!!!!!

[Ex-Iowegian]

Sooooooooooooo very tired of dealing with this Covid angle.

Not out of any inconvenience, but out of sheer exhaustion.

[Blyleven2011]

On 5/29/2022 at 11:33 AM, Squirrel said:

How many is a ‘handful’? Is there anyone left in St. Paul to bring up for the trip?

As a reminder, whatever your personal feelings on covid and vaccinations, these are the rules of customs and immigration of another country. MLB has to work within that framework. Discuss the roster crunch, not covid and vaccinations, please.

I agree  , we don't know the personal of the roster crunch  not going to Canada ...

So there is nothing to discuss  ...

 

[Squirrel]

50 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

I agree  , we don't know the personal of the roster crunch  not going to Canada ...

So there is nothing to discuss  ...

 

That we have to replace 5 players while also dealing with all the injuries on the team isn’t something to discuss? 

Maybe you are correct, as the discussion isn't leaning toward discussing that, but instead wants to hash out the issues of 'personal choice' regarding vaccination instead.