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Let's look back at the Donaldson signing. Was it worth it?


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I do think it was worth it. When he's on, JD is very dangerous and a solid 3rd baseman to boot.  I don't recall him being w clubhouse problem, wasn't he the one who bought the team bathrobes? Usually bad clubhouse guys don't do things like that

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I am going to go against the trend and say I still like that we signed Donaldson. It broke our trend and signaled an era of signing guys that we used to think were off limits to poor old Minnesota. Here are some things I remember hearing from the last couple of years:

He is a great example to the younger players who are taking BP with him. We especially heard this story in Spring Training. He worked with young players on swings and and encouraged them to pay attention to the high tech data. 

We heard he was an example to Buxton about taking extra time pregame/day to day to take care of his body, pre game warm ups and stretching and how to stay on the field. Staying on the field can be more important than single outs/games.

He brings a fire to the team/club house that we needed.

He speaks the truth even when people don't want to hear or don't like to hear it. Some even liked that it was one of our guys that was calling out the sticky stuff even if others on the team didn't like that he was calling it out.

And then, Suddenly when he is gone, "Oh, he was so terrible" really? "It's so great now" What are they gonna say next year? I don't believe he was as good as they made him sound last year but now I also do not believe it is as good as it sounds now that he is gone or that it was all on him. 

In summary, I am glad they signed him. I am glad they now traded him. I enjoyed some of that fire (especially the dirt on home plate ejection. I LIKED that! Funny stuff there) I am happier they have Correa now.

PS Doesn't seem to be hurting the Yankees...

 

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On 5/28/2022 at 6:01 AM, rwilfong86 said:

If i recall correctly the 2019 team didn't have an issue hitting, it was pitching e.g. Randy Dobnak was a playoff starter. They would have been better inclined spending the money on pitching. Donaldson played well at times but was also injured most of his first season with the Twins and never seemed like his legs recovered for the second year. Watching him try to run to first was painful to watch. I gave him the nickname "Double Play Donaldson" for his propensity to hit into a rally killing double play. You are entitled to your opinion, but the Twins would have been better served using the money for the Donaldson contract for pitching help they desperately needed after 2019 rather than a washed up diva like Donaldson. My fondest memory of JD is him hitting a honerun and getting ejected for kicking dirt on the plate. What a great teammate!

The 2019 team didn't have much of a problem pitching either. 9th in baseball in ERA. 4th in baseball in pitching fWAR. 4th in baseball in FIP. 5th in baseball in xFIP. The 2019 team had a late season suspension and injury problem. They then went on to score 7 runs in 3 postseason games (issue hitting) while giving up 23 (issue pitching). But the 2019 regular season Twins were very good at pitching and hitting. Postseason 2019 Twins were very bad at both.

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17 minutes ago, goulik said:

I am going to go against the trend and say I still like that we signed Donaldson. It broke our trend and signaled an era of signing guys that we used to think were off limits to poor old Minnesota. Here are some things I remember hearing from the last couple of years:

He is a great example to the younger players who are taking BP with him. We especially heard this story in Spring Training. He worked with young players on swings and and encouraged them to pay attention to the high tech data. 

We heard he was an example to Buxton about taking extra time pregame/day to day to take care of his body, pre game warm ups and stretching and how to stay on the field. Staying on the field can be more important than single outs/games.

He brings a fire to the team/club house that we needed.

He speaks the truth even when people don't want to hear or don't like to hear it. Some even liked that it was one of our guys that was calling out the sticky stuff even if others on the team didn't like that he was calling it out.

And then, Suddenly when he is gone, "Oh, he was so terrible" really? "It's so great now" What are they gonna say next year? I don't believe he was as good as they made him sound last year but now I also do not believe it is as good as it sounds now that he is gone or that it was all on him. 

In summary, I am glad they signed him. I am glad they now traded him. I enjoyed some of that fire (especially the dirt on home plate ejection. I LIKED that! Funny stuff there) I am happier they have Correa now.

PS Doesn't seem to be hurting the Yankees...

 

This is where I'm at, too. Signing him opened a whole new world to the Twins. It lead the way to the Buxton and Correa deals. And statistically he performed to the levels of a player making what he made.

If we're not happy with the Donaldson deal would we be happy with any big money signing? The personality, clubhouse presence stuff is a very real part of team building, but none of us can speak to that since we're not in that room. I get why people point at him as the problem, and it very well may be true, but I'm not laying that entirety of the disaster that was 2021 at the feet of Josh Donaldson. He was so bad in the clubhouse Alex Colome completely forgot how to get outs for the first month and a half? JA Happ got so fed up with him he turned into A+ level pitcher for 2 months? Shoemaker turned into me because he didn't like the way Josh Donaldson handled his business in the clubhouse? I'm not buying that.

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4 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

The 2019 team didn't have much of a problem pitching either. 9th in baseball in ERA. 4th in baseball in pitching fWAR. 4th in baseball in FIP. 5th in baseball in xFIP. The 2019 team had a late season suspension and injury problem. They then went on to score 7 runs in 3 postseason games (issue hitting) while giving up 23 (issue pitching). But the 2019 regular season Twins were very good at pitching and hitting. Postseason 2019 Twins were very bad at both.

 

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

This is where I'm at, too. Signing him opened a whole new world to the Twins. It lead the way to the Buxton and Correa deals. And statistically he performed to the levels of a player making what he made.

If we're not happy with the Donaldson deal would we be happy with any big money signing? The personality, clubhouse presence stuff is a very real part of team building, but none of us can speak to that since we're not in that room. I get why people point at him as the problem, and it very well may be true, but I'm not laying that entirety of the disaster that was 2021 at the feet of Josh Donaldson. He was so bad in the clubhouse Alex Colome completely forgot how to get outs for the first month and a half? JA Happ got so fed up with him he turned into A+ level pitcher for 2 months? Shoemaker turned into me because he didn't like the way Josh Donaldson handled his business in the clubhouse? I'm not buying that.

1.  The Twins did underperform in the 2019 playoffs,  however its a much different ballgame to play the 2019 New York Yankess than having over decent chunk of your games be against the 2019 White Sox, Royals and Tigers.  

2.  Look the Donaldson contract was great.  It shows the Twins are willing were willing to spend for players that can help the Twins in performance.   We need the Twins to be willing to spend some of the money they have.   The Twins have to be selective with who they sign but so far both Donaldson and Correa appear to be very good signings for the Twins.  

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3 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

 

1.  The Twins did underperform in the 2019 playoffs,  however its a much different ballgame to play the 2019 New York Yankess than having over decent chunk of your games be against the 2019 White Sox, Royals and Tigers.  

2.  Look the Donaldson contract was great.  It shows the Twins are willing were willing to spend for players that can help the Twins in performance.   We need the Twins to be willing to spend some of the money they have.   The Twins have to be selective with who they sign but so far both Donaldson and Correa appear to be very good signings for the Twins.  

The Yankees got to play the Blue Jays and Orioles that year. The Astros got to play the Rangers, Angels, and Mariners that year. Let's not act like the Twins were the only team facing bad division foes. It's definitely different playing playoff teams, but losing Buxton, Donaldson, Gibson (from the rotation, not roster all together) and Pineda down the stretch changed that series dramatically. The Twins had a good team that year. The playoffs were a 3 game sample size without their 2 best offensive players or their number 2 and 3 starters. That's a tough spot for any team to be in.

Agree on point number 2. ?

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7 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

The Yankees got to play the Blue Jays and Orioles that year. The Astros got to play the Rangers, Angels, and Mariners that year. Let's not act like the Twins were the only team facing bad division foes. It's definitely different playing playoff teams, but losing Buxton, Donaldson, Gibson (from the rotation, not roster all together) and Pineda down the stretch changed that series dramatically. The Twins had a good team that year. The playoffs were a 3 game sample size without their 2 best offensive players or their number 2 and 3 starters. That's a tough spot for any team to be in.

Agree on point number 2. ?

Injuries hurt,  I can agree.  Here the following win totals from the bottom 3 teams of each division:

Central 178    East 205    West 218

Can you agree we faced the easiest competition of any other division by a rather large margin? Also pretty sure we hadn't signed Donaldson yet for 2019.     

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9 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Injuries hurt,  I can agree.  Here the following win totals from the bottom 3 teams of each division:

Central 178    East 205    West 218

Can you agree we faced the easiest competition of any other division by a rather large margin?   

Yes, the bottom 2 in the central were awful. The Dodgers had the easiest schedule in all of baseball in 2019 and won 3 more games than the Twins. The point is that every team plays a lot of crappy teams. I'm not suggesting the 2019 Twins were as good as the Dodgers or Astros or Yankees, but they were a very good team and get falsely labelled as a team saved by 307 HRs when in reality they did well at everything until the wheels fell off in the playoffs due, in large part, but not exclusively, to injuries and Pineda cheating.

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16 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Yes, the bottom 2 in the central were awful. The Dodgers had the easiest schedule in all of baseball in 2019 and won 3 more games than the Twins. The point is that every team plays a lot of crappy teams. I'm not suggesting the 2019 Twins were as good as the Dodgers or Astros or Yankees, but they were a very good team and get falsely labelled as a team saved by 307 HRs when in reality they did well at everything until the wheels fell off in the playoffs due, in large part, but not exclusively, to injuries and Pineda cheating.

They were a team that was able to punish mistakes made by pitching which with our division there were lots of mistakes.     When you run into better pitching that doesn't make as many mistakes - well needless to say in a small sample size they didn't do as well.  I do feel they mismanaged their pitching and we were a couple feet away from hitting those elusive home runs,  I remember one by Sano specifically, also another by Cruz and I believe Rosario as well.  

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On 5/26/2022 at 2:12 PM, rwilfong86 said:

One of the worst free agent signings the Twins have made in recent memory. 

This has to be satire right?

There are some truly awful takes when it comes to Donaldson's Twins tenure, but we're into uncharted territory with this one. If you actually believe he's one of the worst FA signings in recent memory then you don't/haven't followed this team....

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On 5/28/2022 at 9:09 AM, Squirrel said:

I’ve not heard a single report specifically pointing to Donaldson as the cause. Just a lot of scapegoating from Twins Daily, imo.

This. 100%.

The fact that a guy like Andrelton Simmons hasn't been brought up once (to my knowledge) whenever the mob wants to pin blame kinda says it all. He was one of the worst offensive performers in all of baseball, overall a massively disappointing FA addition, and his anti-vaccine stance + early season positive test resulted in a team meeting. 

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50 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

This has to be satire right?

There are some truly awful takes when it comes to Donaldson's Twins tenure, but we're into uncharted territory with this one. If you actually believe he's one of the worst FA signings in recent memory then you don't/haven't followed this team....

Followed this team for... 20 years or so. So you're incorrect. 

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14 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

This. 100%.

The fact that a guy like Andrelton Simmons hasn't been brought up once (to my knowledge) whenever the mob wants to pin blame kinda says it all. He was one of the worst offensive performers in all of baseball, overall a massively disappointing FA addition, and his anti-vaccine stance + early season positive test resulted in a team meeting. 

Simmons wasn't great but there also weren't high expectations either. 

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17 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Not exactly helping your case here...

I'm not trying to make any case. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. ? And I don't believe it is a coincidence the team is playing well and the chemistry is better in his absence. 

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On 5/28/2022 at 8:49 PM, Aichiman said:

In hindsight it I don't think it was worth it.  We still got our superstar shortstop, so we'll see what happens.  I think the more interesting question at this point is the Buxton deal.  Will that be worth it? 

 

Agree with you (since most others will disagree as you've seen), I think Donaldson's legacy will be that he was the main guy they gave up to get 2 key contributors in Sanchez and Urshela. And with Buxton, I'm starting to worry his slump in May may be a little more than a slump. I do think it is good that the Twins are willing to commit to a player who when healthy, is one of the best players on earth. And hopefully the Twins and Minnesota will be able to convince Correa to come back for year 2. In a perfect world, Buxton bounces back this season and becomes an MVP candidate, Correa comes back for year 2, and the Twins add some pitching depth for the future. 

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