Deadline Trade of Correa

[chpettit19]

8 minutes ago, saviking said:

Of course I 100% agree with you because I said the exact same thing on the thread about Lewis getting sent down. My reasons were:

 

* After playing Houston it gave us a yardstick to measure if we are ready for a run at the world series. I think not.

* We have a long term solution to shortstop at a cheap rate for years. Yes Correa is better than Lewis but how much better. Not 35 million better. Probably more like 10 million better. We could put most of Correa's 35 million salary to good use strengthening the team in many other positions. PLUS, we can strengthen our team further with the players we get in the trade. 

Bottom line is, we either need to come to terms with Correa before the trade deadline or we need to trade him. Having him walk after one year with no compensation in the slim hopes someone won't out big us is not acceptable. 

Atlanta definitely should've traded Freddie Freeman at the deadline last year. Not acceptable that they actually tried to win and lost a star for nothing.

[bunsen82]

25 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Atlanta definitely should've traded Freddie Freeman at the deadline last year. Not acceptable that they actually tried to win and lost a star for nothing.

Different situation,  they initially tried to resign him.  As you like to state,  Freddie and Correa are on completely different levels.  

[Brandon]

33 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

One prospect in the 75-150 range(MLB rank) and a throw in is what he is worth at the deadline. Maybe not even that. 

 

You aren't getting 5 studs back for him. 

Then Correa is probably worth more to us then.  I would keep him if we are contending and that is all we could get. I would start listening at 3 top 100 prospects.  I would want to make sure we become a power house if we trade him while in contention.
 

if we swoon and are out of the race that is different.  

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Different situation,  they initially tried to resign him.  As you like to state,  Freddie and Correa are on completely different levels.  

They'd approached him with contract offers before the season and knew he wanted a 6 year deal and they were only willing to go 5 on the deal so they knew there was a very good chance they'd lose him after the season. Much like the Twins know there's a very good chance they'll lose Correa after the season. 

It was so well known that there was a real chance Freddie would leave after the year that they spent the entire postseason talking about it. In fact his last AB in the World Series they said there was a very good chance it'd be his final at bat in a Braves uniform. So, maybe, it's not so different after all ?‍♂️

[USAFChief]

16 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Different situation,  they initially tried to resign him.  As you like to state,  Freddie and Correa are on completely different levels.  

It's virtually identical, except Correa is actually signed to 2 more years, where Freeman definitely wasn't.

 

[bunsen82]

11 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

They'd approached him with contract offers before the season and knew he wanted a 6 year deal and they were only willing to go 5 on the deal so they knew there was a very good chance they'd lose him after the season. Much like the Twins know there's a very good chance they'll lose Correa after the season. 

It was so well known that there was a real chance Freddie would leave after the year that they spent the entire postseason talking about it. In fact his last AB in the World Series they said there was a very good chance it'd be his final at bat in a Braves uniform. So, maybe, it's not so different after all ?‍♂️

how old is Freddie vs Correa?  He has a career WAR of 44 over 13 seasons (that he spent the entire time with,  a little different than a 1 year rental player),  as 1st base vs the vaunted SS position you taught is the toughest position to fill.  Atlanta also had expectations coming into the season they were going to try to win the World Series.  Yes I would say its completely different.  Plus management could have tore down,  they were expected too,  instead they found some cheap trades and went for it.  It worked out,  the odds were slim but they still won the championship.  12 teams each year have the same or better shot Atlanta had last year, 11 didn't win.   So ultimately those other 11 and actually other 29 teams should have all tore down.  Its a silly argument.  This all comes down to does the management want to win it all now (like Atlanta, and give themselves a shot) or continue to try to build for the future.  I will say they do tend to identify talent better.  Their trades ect have been very good.  

They offered Freddie a 5 year $140 million contract.  They tried to resign him,  Freddie just wanted more money.  

 

 

[bunsen82]

12 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

It's virtually identical, except Correa is actually signed to 2 more years, where Freeman definitely wasn't.

 

Which is more valuable a 1st baseman or a SS,  please answer that- who would be worth more in trade?   Secondly how many years did Freeman spend in Atlanta vs Correa in Minnesota?  Did their management do a tear down,  or trade for additional talent even though they were 44-51?  Sounds like everyone here thinks you should trade away talent with a record like that.  The odds they won are so slim.   The only reason they went for it is because they has WS aspirations coming into the season.  

[Tim]

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I haven't seen those, do you have some sources there? I'd think they'd be willing to trade 1 of those guys if they actually get Snell healthy and Clevinger healthy and Gore continues to look good and Martinez doesn't turn back into a pumpkin. But for the same reason the Twins starting the season with 7 rotation arms on the roster didn't mean they had excess pitching I don't think the Padres automatically have it now either. 

They've been trying to get money off the books for a while now. Myers and Hosmer are also names that are thrown around a lot. Preller is all in and I have no doubt he's willing to make moves to get them past the Dodgers this year. I'd think Snell is actually a relatively likely trade piece assuming he doesn't go on the IL again and they have their 6 other guys healthy. But he's a negative asset right now. Unless he turns it around dramatically he's not someone I want the Twins to go after unless they're not giving anything up and also getting a prospect with him. He's been injured and bad for SD. He's mostly name recognition at this point. Miguel Sano in pitcher form. Darvish would be an interesting target, though.

I would prefer Darvish as well .. Dennis Lin has mentioned it a few times in The Athletic. Passan as well, so it's definitely something known they are willing to do.

With how god awful Voit has been at DH, they are probably in the market for a right handed power bat. Sano for Darvish actually makes some sense on a few different levels. Obvi Sano would have to healthy and play like 20 games or so prior..  $ would be an obstacle and most likely would have to have a PTBNL for the Pads.

If they ate like 4 or 5 mil to get his number down to 14 mil for next season, Sano + Wallner / _____ would be a sweet deal.

[chpettit19]

21 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

how old is Freddie vs Correa?  He has a career WAR of 44 over 13 seasons (that he spent the entire time with,  a little different than a 1 year rental player),  as 1st base vs the vaunted SS position you taught is the toughest position to fill.  Atlanta also had expectations coming into the season they were going to try to win the World Series.  Yes I would say its completely different.  Plus management could have tore down,  they were expected too,  instead they found some cheap trades and went for it.  It worked out,  the odds were slim but they still won the championship.  12 teams each year have the same or better shot Atlanta had last year, 11 didn't win.   So ultimately those other 11 and actually other 29 teams should have all tore down.  Its a silly argument.  This all comes down to does the management want to win it all now (like Atlanta, and give themselves a shot) or continue to try to build for the future.  I will say they do tend to identify talent better.  Their trades ect have been very good.  

They offered Freddie a 5 year $140 million contract.  They tried to resign him,  Freddie just wanted more money.  

 

 

I'm ending my side of this conversation. You've gone from "Chris Archer and Trevor Bauer are great comps to Correa" to "Freeman is an awful comp to Correa." I appreciate the back and forth as I come to Twins Daily to be challenged and gain more thoughts and ideas about my favorite team. But when the debate turns from guys who average 2.1/2.1 (Bauer with bWAR/fWAR) and 1.4/2 (Archer with bWAR/fWAR) WAR per year being great comps for Correa and his 4.4/3.5 WAR per year but a guy averaging 3.4/3.5 WAR per year being a ridiculous comp I know we've gotten to the point where this has become personal and the conversation is no longer productive. 

So thank you for the back and forth, but I'm going to see myself out of this conversation now.

[chpettit19]

6 minutes ago, Tim said:

I would prefer Darvish as well .. Dennis Lin has mentioned it a few times in The Athletic. Passan as well, so it's definitely something known they are willing to do.

With how god awful Voit has been at DH, they are probably in the market for a right handed power bat. Sano for Darvish actually makes some sense on a few different levels. Obvi Sano would have to healthy and play like 20 games or so prior..  $ would be an obstacle and most likely would have to have a PTBNL for the Pads.

If they ate like 4 or 5 mil to get his number down to 14 mil for next season, Sano + Wallner / _____ would be a sweet deal.

Ah, I've never read Lin and don't follow Passan closely so makes sense I'd miss those things.

I'd love to turn Sano and Wallner into a ML arm, but not Snell. I'd much rather just let Sano walk after the year than pay Snell 16MMM or kick in a prospect for SD to pick up some of his money. Just not a believer in him at all. He was a flash in the pan to me. Darvish for Sano and Wallner with the Padres sending a little money would be intriguing.

Kenta coming back next year is an interesting wrinkle in this all. Do they think he can be a solid #2 type arm? Ryan, Gray, Maeda, Ober is a solid start to a rotation. Winder, et al in the 5 spot. Do they want someone like Darvish on the end of a deal for an extra veteran arm or would they be more willing to send just a Wallner type prospect to someone for a rental arm? I've seen some reports of them still talking with the As about Montas and there's murmurs of talks with the Reds about their other arms still.

They can go a few different directions with arms. If they're bringing in arms, though, you have to keep Correa (bringing this back around to what this thread is supposed to be about). Don't see them playing the middle ground of getting a prospect for Correa while bringing in arms to compete. If you're going to be in the division race (no reason to think they won't at this point) then bring in reinforcements without sending out one of your big guns.

[bunsen82]

30 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'm ending my side of this conversation. You've gone from "Chris Archer and Trevor Bauer are great comps to Correa" to "Freeman is an awful comp to Correa." I appreciate the back and forth as I come to Twins Daily to be challenged and gain more thoughts and ideas about my favorite team. But when the debate turns from guys who average 2.1/2.1 (Bauer with bWAR/fWAR) and 1.4/2 (Archer with bWAR/fWAR) WAR per year being great comps for Correa and his 4.4/3.5 WAR per year but a guy averaging 3.4/3.5 WAR per year being a ridiculous comp I know we've gotten to the point where this has become personal and the conversation is no longer productive. 

So thank you for the back and forth, but I'm going to see myself out of this conversation now.

Trevor Bauer WAR over the 5 year period prior he was a full time player was 2.92.   The age is also a decent difference and more important the position.  Archer was 2.46.   Freddie Freeman's is 3.61 and Carlos Correa's is 4.87.  Lets not just guestimate stats to try to prove a point.  I am not getting into the past but really they are all fairly good comps with  Carlos Correa being by far the best player.   

[Squirrel]

36 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Which is more valuable a 1st baseman or a SS,  please answer that- who would be worth more in trade?

I'm not sure who would be worth more in a trade, it's about what we would get back. There is a difference there that I think you may be forgetting. What Correa is worth isn't necessarily what we would get in return and probably wouldn't even get close to that for so many reasons. But, for the Twins, the SS we have is most definitely more valuable to keep on the team.

[bunsen82]

6 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

I'm not sure who would be worth more in a trade, it's about what we would get back. There is a difference there that I think you may be forgetting. What Correa is worth isn't necessarily what we would get in return and probably wouldn't even get close to that for so many reasons. But, for the Twins, the SS we have is most definitely more valuable to keep on the team.

Squirrel,  there is a lot to it.  And honestly it is to far out to really be certain what is going to happen.  Will the team keep up its pace,  will Correa stay healthy,  will Correa continue to perform.   Basically the  questions regarding the positions was the same questions I kept getting from Chpettit.  It was a bit of being rhetorical.  He kept saying Correa is the most elite player at the most elite position no one else can comp to him when I brought up Bauer and Archer.  He likes to undermine them as similarities while when I do something similar it is completely different.  Nothing more nothing less. Really all 4 players are very good tiered by Archer, Bauer, Freeman Correa.   It also depends what someone is willing to offer and yes there is a cost benefit,  they need to be giving up enough to make it worthwhile otherwise you don't just give him away.  It will be interesting to see.  The thing is, it is not outlandish to trade him even if the team is doing well, if the return is good to great.  It won't feel good and I sure hope there are other moves to offset but it is not outlandish.  I know it is not traditional thought process,  but for many to just poo poo the idea is rather naïve in the current baseball landscape and the way the twins management have operated.   

[chpettit19]

25 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Trevor Bauer WAR over the 5 year period prior he was a full time player was 2.92.   The age is also a decent difference and more important the position.  Archer was 2.46.   Freddie Freeman's is 3.61 and Carlos Correa's is 4.87.  Lets not just guestimate stats to try to prove a point.  I am not getting into the past but really they are all fairly good comps with  Carlos Correa being by far the best player.   

 

Just now, bunsen82 said:

Squirrel,  there is a lot to it.  And honestly it is to far out to really be certain what is going to happen.  Will the team keep up its pace,  will Correa stay healthy,  will Correa continue to perform.   Basically the  questions regarding the positions was the same questions I kept getting from Chpettit.  It was a bit of being rhetorical.  He kept saying Correa is the most elite player at the most elite position no one else can comp to him when I brought up Bauer and Archer.  He likes to undermine them as similarities while when I do something similar it is completely different.  Nothing more nothing less. Really all 4 players are very good tiered by Archer, Bauer, Freeman Correa.   It also depends what someone is willing to offer and yes there is a cost benefit,  they need to be giving up enough to make it worthwhile otherwise you don't just give him away.  It will be interesting to see.  The thing is, it is not outlandish to trade him even if the team is doing well, if the return is good to great.  It won't feel good and I sure hope there are other moves to offset but it is not outlandish.  I know it is not traditional thought process,  but for many to just poo poo the idea is rather naïve in the current baseball landscape and the way the twins management have operated.   

Before the trades, or possible trades in the Correa and Freeman situations, the 4 players in question achieved 3 WAR seasons (according to baseball reference as that's what you appear to be using) this many times:

Archer: 1 out of 5 full seasons (not counting his rookie year)
Bauer: 1 out of 5 full seasons (not counting his first 2 years as he tried to break in)
Freeman: 9 out of 11 full seasons (including the 60 game 2020 season)
Correa: 6 out of 7 full seasons (only time he didn't was 2020)

I'll do the math for you: That's 20% for Archer and Bauer. 81.8% for Freeman. And 85.7% for Correa.

Don't tell me I'm "guestimating" anything. I gave you their total WAR divided by the years they've played in the league by both baseball reference and fangraphs. You tried to spruce it up by making Bauer sound like he had some great career when almost all of his WAR has come from 1 season (28.6% of his career WAR was accumulated in 1 of 10 seasons). Same with Archer as 28.6% of his career WAR was also accumulated in 1 season out of 10. While Freeman and Correa have had great years basically every year of their career. They're not similarly tiered and their trade situations were not similar at all, except for Correa and Freeman. You are yet to provide 1 singular instance of a team leading, or close to leading, their division to trade a star of Correa's caliber at the deadline. It's never happened. Don't call me, or anyone else, naïve because you can't accept that what you're suggesting has never been done before. Have your opinions and stand by them, but quit trying to change the facts of the situations that have been discussed. You're entitled to predict whatever it is you want to predict, but you're not entitled to change the facts of what has taken place.

[Murph]

nope

 

[bunsen82]

3 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

 

Before the trades, or possible trades in the Correa and Freeman situations, the 4 players in question achieved 3 WAR seasons (according to baseball reference as that's what you appear to be using) this many times:

Archer: 1 out of 5 full seasons (not counting his rookie year)
Bauer: 1 out of 5 full seasons (not counting his first 2 years as he tried to break in)
Freeman: 9 out of 11 full seasons (including the 60 game 2020 season)
Correa: 6 out of 7 full seasons (only time he didn't was 2020)

I'll do the math for you: That's 20% for Archer and Bauer. 81.8% for Freeman. And 85.7% for Correa.

Don't tell me I'm "guestimating" anything. I gave you their total WAR divided by the years they've played in the league by both baseball reference and fangraphs. You tried to spruce it up by making Bauer sound like he had some great career when almost all of his WAR has come from 1 season (28.6% of his career WAR was accumulated in 1 of 10 seasons). Same with Archer as 28.6% of his career WAR was also accumulated in 1 season out of 10. While Freeman and Correa have had great years basically every year of their career. They're not similarly tiered and their trade situations were not similar at all, except for Correa and Freeman. You are yet to provide 1 singular instance of a team leading, or close to leading, their division to trade a star of Correa's caliber at the deadline. It's never happened. Don't call me, or anyone else, naïve because you can't accept that what you're suggesting has never been done before. Have your opinions and stand by them, but quit trying to change the facts of the situations that have been discussed. You're entitled to predict whatever it is you want to predict, but you're not entitled to change the facts of what has taken place.

First time I have ever been told simple averages are not an accurate way to average.  I will agree Freeman is closer to Correa but also not in Correas league, evidenced by Correa getting $10 million a year more.  You want to say the Braves should have traded Freeman based on my philosophy, but that goes back to my previous statement the Twins shouldn’t have traded Cruz. It’s not my philosophy- it’s how I view each managements style and how they operate and run their organization. They were only a couple games behind the braves at the trade deadline.  What it show is management can go in whatever direction they want to.  The Indians had a 62-44 record and were only 2 1/2 games behind the Twins when they Traded Bauer and held the #1 wildcard position.  You are nuts to say they weren’t in contention or not close . .  Or to ignore Bauer as a very good player evidenced by his previous year WAR of 6.  Why you refuse  to give me credit for that example or acknowledge for my point of a view it does give it some validity. A team had depth at a position and traded a player for prospects and outfield help.  This wouldn’t be the first time, maybe the first time of a player as good as Correa, but I honestly think the twins will be more than 2 1/2 games behind the white Sox by the trade deadline. This would be a bit of a novelty but is definitely not out of the realm of possibility.  You are just extremely stringent on what you want to consider FACTS especially if it disputes your take.  You refuse to acknowledge the Indians example,  you think I am steadfast in my opinion, no offense that is a very strong example of what could happen, and it’s apparent we are both very confident in our opinion and both rather hard headed.  Rather than the Indians trading a malcontent this would be a situation of the twins opening a spot for Lewis and strengthening their elite prospects.  It’s also my viewpoint that they signed Correa as insurance for Lewis and a stopgap and if they traded him they would just be cashing in on their insurance policy because they don’t need it any,ore. I need to stop period we are getting no where.  

[chpettit19]

2 hours ago, bunsen82 said:

First time I have ever been told simple averages are not an accurate way to average.  I will agree Freeman is closer to Correa but also not in Correas league, evidenced by Correa getting $10 million a year more.  You want to say the Braves should have traded Freeman based on my philosophy, but that goes back to my previous statement the Twins shouldn’t have traded Cruz. It’s not my philosophy- it’s how I view each managements style and how they operate and run their organization. They were only a couple games behind the braves at the trade deadline.  What it show is management can go in whatever direction they want to.  The Indians had a 62-44 record and were only 2 1/2 games behind the Twins when they Traded Bauer and held the #1 wildcard position.  You are nuts to say they weren’t in contention or not close . .  Or to ignore Bauer as a very good player evidenced by his previous year WAR of 6.  Why you refuse  to give me credit for that example or acknowledge for my point of a view it does give it some validity. A team had depth at a position and traded a player for prospects and outfield help.  This wouldn’t be the first time, maybe the first time of a player as good as Correa, but I honestly think the twins will be more than 2 1/2 games behind the white Sox by the trade deadline. This would be a bit of a novelty but is definitely not out of the realm of possibility.  You are just extremely stringent on what you want to consider FACTS especially if it disputes your take.  You refuse to acknowledge the Indians example,  you think I am steadfast in my opinion, no offense that is a very strong example of what could happen, and it’s apparent we are both very confident in our opinion and both rather hard headed.  Rather than the Indians trading a malcontent this would be a situation of the twins opening a spot for Lewis and strengthening their elite prospects.  It’s also my viewpoint that they signed Correa as insurance for Lewis and a stopgap and if they traded him they would just be cashing in on their insurance policy because they don’t need it any,ore. I need to stop period we are getting no where.  

If that's the first time you've been told a simple average is not a good statistical measure of small sample sizes with extreme outliers then I'm the first person you've ever talked to that has a decent understanding of statistics. Google standard deviations. It'll blow your mind. And you can use Bauer's standard deviation of 1.599 in your research. It'll tell you that his WAR of 6 was an extreme outlier and not representative of the dataset as a whole. I also showed you this by pointing out that he'd only broken 3 WAR 1 time before he was traded.

Again, and for the final time, I haven't said the Indians weren't in contention because they were. That's not what separates the situations. Trevor Bauer had another year of team control left. That made it so a non-contending team was willing to trade for him. That is not the case with Carlos Correa. That makes the situations different. You cannot argue that they're same. They. Are. Not. And, no, Bauer was not in the same tier as Correa is. Not even close. And I've shown it in multiple ways. So, no, I don't acknowledge the Indians example because it isn't the same! Bauer wasn't the same kind of player and he had team control left. The situations were not the same. Your point of view does not have validity because it isn't based on the reality of the situation by any measure.

Wade Miley had 5.5 WAR last year, is he a star in Correa's tier? Should we trade Correa straight up for Miley?

Oh, and the Twins playing Lewis in LF and at 3B in St Paul is most definitely a sign that their intention is to create space for him at SS by trading Correa. That's clear as day.

[Murph]

3 things:  

1-  The Braves made a huge mistake giving up Freeman.  He was the face of the Braves.

2- Correa most assuredly has a no-trade clause in his contract.  He's no dummy.

3- This whole discussion confirms why fans are not in charge of baseball teams.

[USAFChief]

9 minutes ago, Murph said:

3 things:  

1-  The Braves made a huge mistake giving up Freeman.  He was the face of the Braves.

2- Correa most assuredly has a no-trade clause in his contract.  He's no dummy.

3- This whole discussion confirms why fans are not in charge of baseball teams.

Limited no trade in 2022 (5 teams IIRC).

Full no trade 2023 and 24

[Drunk_Goose]

10 minutes ago, Murph said:

3 things:  

1-  The Braves made a huge mistake giving up Freeman.  He was the face of the Braves.

2- Correa most assuredly has a no-trade clause in his contract.  He's no dummy.

3- This whole discussion confirms why fans are not in charge of baseball teams.

Freeman was not worth the money and he's turned into a prick since going to LA. Correa is not going anywhere this season I'd stake everything on that, and if I was in charge of the team we'd have cheerleaders.?

[MTV]

The Twins shouldn’t trade Correa, they should trade for players at the deadline to build our playoff chances. The Twins could use another Ace in the rotation like Blake Snell, Sean Manaea, Luis Castillo, or Frankie Montas, and a good Closer like David Bednar, Will Smith, Anthony Bass, Lou Trevino, or David Robertson. Then just get an ok first baseman and this team has a shot in the playoffs

[prouster]

5 minutes ago, MTV said:

The Twins shouldn’t trade Correa, they should trade for players at the deadline to build our playoff chances. The Twins could use another Ace in the rotation like Blake Snell, Sean Manaea, Luis Castillo, or Frankie Montas, and a good Closer like David Bednar, Will Smith, Anthony Bass, Lou Trevino, or David Robertson. Then just get an ok first baseman and this team has a shot in the playoffs

This is what confuses me so much about the “trade Correa” position (in addition to the surface level weirdness of it). There’s no rule against adding pitchers to improve the team while Correa is still on it!

[USAFChief]

23 minutes ago, prouster said:

This is what confuses me so much about the “trade Correa” position (in addition to the surface level weirdness of it). There’s no rule against adding pitchers to improve the team while Correa is still on it!

Well, some think this isn't about winning a WS. It's about "asset management."

[chpettit19]

12 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Well, some think this isn't about winning a WS. It's about "asset management."

I'm all for asset management in lost seasons. Like last year. But will never understand the stance when the team is in the heart of the playoff hunt.

[Mike Sixel]

44 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'm all for asset management in lost seasons. Like last year. But will never understand the stance when the team is in the heart of the playoff hunt.

This. The Twins banked on the M&M brothers carrying them. Then they got hurt, and the time passed. I am assuming this FO won't make the same mistake if they are in position to win the division.

[gunnarthor]

27 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

This. The Twins banked on the M&M brothers carrying them. Then they got hurt, and the time passed. I am assuming this FO won't make the same mistake if they are in position to win the division.

We've already seen this FO throw in the towel at the deadline and see the team make the postseason despite the FO. So .... maybe they will trade Correa, depending on what, if any, offer is out there. My guess is it doesn't happen but we'll see.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, gunnarthor said:

We've already seen this FO throw in the towel at the deadline and see the team make the postseason despite the FO. So .... maybe they will trade Correa, depending on what, if any, offer is out there. My guess is it doesn't happen but we'll see.

Yup, I'm hoping they don't repeat history....if they do, I'll jump on the 'fire them" train and drive it.

[Finlander]

I meant to reply on this topic, but delayed by a connection glitch, sorry.

Keep Correa, do not trade. He is a proven winner and the best defender in baseball at his position. He and Buxton are all-world up the middle, and Polanco seems to have taken a step forward defensively as well. Ursela continues to amaze at 3B. Good defense is contagious, and pitchers love it. Lewis will have his time - let's just feel fortunate he is playing well and healthy after his last couple of years. He can learn from Correa. 

Second comment regarding trading partners, nobody mentioned Seattle. I know they have Crawford, but if they're in the hunt Trader Jack might step up for Correa - it would be fun to see Correa battling against his former team in a division race. And they match up well with Minnesota, plenty of pitching in their system. Hopefully Correa stays here though.

Finally, a question: if Correa does opt out, don't the Twins get a compensation pick in the next draft? If so, I'd argue that the pick may be more valuable than what a team might offer the Twins in trade for a 2 month rental - another reason for not trading him.