Twins trade Rogers, Rooker to Padres for Paddack, Pagan

[TheLeviathan]

15 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

As far as I'm concerned... Simmons never did exist. 

If only it were true

[howeda7]

1 hour ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

Maybe the PTBNL hasn't been born yet.

It's the rights to Fernando Tatis III.....

[howeda7]

59 minutes ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

The Paddack move is a clue that the Twins think an acceptable A's offer is unlikely, at least in the near term. (Maybe a deadline deal, as you say.)

Maybe they will part with Lou Trivino sooner?

[RpR]

23 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

As far as I'm concerned... Simmons never did exist. 

The only thing that stopped the Twins from losing 100 games.?

[twinfan]

I didn't like this deal when I first heard about it but I was biased as I liked Rogers as one of my favorite Twins. I think, however, that this is a good deal for both teams. But most of our deals and signings have big "Ifs" attached to them. Paddack joins Bundy and Archer as reclamation projects and we lose a big time closer. So does Dhuran now close? Joe Smith who has limited experience? Winder? Archer- who could probably be very good but will he be durable. I think they should give it to Archer with Dhuran in the wings but they may make another deal or sign a free agent closer. Too bad they let Colombe walk.

[Otto von Ballpark]

1 minute ago, shortround81 said:

Good point! I'm wondering why Park didn't include offseason FA departures and just focused on essentially Spring trades

I think departures are mostly a passive event -- we didn't really do anything with Simmons and Pineda, their contracts with us simply expired.

All of the moves that Park listed were active events by the Twins front office.

(I guess technically cutting Astudillo would be an active event, but so would a lot of minor cuts -- Charlie Barnes? -- and the prospect 40-man additions.)

[shortround81]

1 minute ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

I think departures are mostly a passive event -- we didn't really do anything with Simmons and Pineda, their contracts with us simply expired.

All of the moves that Park listed were active events by the Twins front office.

(I guess technically cutting Astudillo would be an active event, but so would a lot of minor cuts -- Charlie Barnes? -- and the prospect 40-man additions.)

Also a good point! Although some may argue the whole "inaction is an action/addition through subtraction" mindset. Not trying to debate or argue. Everyone has a different viewpoint

[KirbyDome89]

1 hour ago, Vanimal46 said:

Twins are taking on $6.6 million of Rogers’ salary. Essentially the Padres are paying him the minimum. Strange. 

A compromise they settled on after SD moved off asking for Larnach? 

[PatPfund]

I truly hope the Twins don't get down to Joe Smith as anything but an emergency closer. (He'd be my first pick to pitch himself off the team, except Pagan might be edging past him.) Committee of Duffey/Alcala/Duran with a dash of Thielbar crazy sauce would be my guess in the 9th until/unless someone steps forward and seizes the spot.

Still love this trade after reflection, but also love that we are only a day away from putting aside pure speculation for reactions to actual games! Play ball!

Edited April 7, 2022 by PatPfund
pesky grammar, dang it

[cHawk]

1 hour ago, RpR said:

The only thing that stopped the Twins from losing 100 games.?

As demonstrated by his -0.5 WAR, 56 wRC+, -3.21 WPA...

[diehardtwinsfan]

The deal seems fine on paper at least, but...

My only question is if we're expecting complete games from all of our starters this season.  The bullpen is going to be weak. Am I overthinking this?

[shortround81]

4 minutes ago, diehardtwinsfan said:

The deal seems fine on paper at least, but...

My only question is if we're expecting complete games from all of our starters this season.  The bullpen is going to be weak. Am I overthinking this?

I said the same thing to my boyfriend. My memory isn't very long, but I feel like Rocco doesn't have a great track record of having starters go 6, 7, 8 innings

[Otto von Ballpark]

13 minutes ago, diehardtwinsfan said:

The deal seems fine on paper at least, but...

My only question is if we're expecting complete games from all of our starters this season.  The bullpen is going to be weak. Am I overthinking this?

16 man staff suggests we should have the quantity, as least to begin the season.

Still potential for quality too, with Winder and Duran on the staff.

[RpR]

46 minutes ago, alex ψ said:

As demonstrated by his -0.5 WAR, 56 wRC+, -3.21 WPA...

 

Nope it was his Rtot of 13,  Rdrs of 15, Rtot/yr of 14 and Rdrs/yer of 16, nice try though.

[James]

4 hours ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

The Paddack move is a clue that the Twins think an acceptable A's offer is unlikely, at least in the near term. (Maybe a deadline deal, as you say.)

Very true.  I agree.  That doesn't mean a deal for Montas is completely dead though, just unlikely. 

I think Oakland has figured Montas's value will still be high or higher at the trade deadline (or even next off season).   

 

[Nine of twelve]

I was away from the internet all day (as is usually the case) so I just heard about this 15 minutes ago. I don't know anything about the players we acquired. I know that Rooker was totally expendable (decent RH bat but barely tolerable fielding ability which means he's a DH and occasional left fielder) and I know that Rogers is totally filthy when healthy and on his game. All I can do is place my trust in Falvine and hope that the transactions they make improve the organization.

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 hours ago, shortround81 said:

I said the same thing to my boyfriend. My memory isn't very long, but I feel like Rocco doesn't have a great track record of having starters go 6, 7, 8 innings

Twins fans should talk about this more, I haven’t heard anything about it. 

[Twins33]

Rocco isn’t any different than most managers. There are times he pulls too soon but he doesn’t do it more than others. Think that thought needs to go away
 

 

[stringer bell]

25 minutes ago, Twins33 said:

Rocco isn’t any different than most managers. There are times he pulls too soon but he doesn’t do it more than others. Think that thought needs to go away
 

 

It seemed that the only guy Rocco trusted to go long was Berrios. I think there is/was justification for such an approach. In addition he dealt with a dozen starts from Ober in which the innings were going to be limited no matter how effective he was. If the veteran guys pitch well when fully stretched out, I expect he'll let them go a bit. I really don't think there won't be many longish outings in April with the short spring training and the expanded pitching staff.