MLBTR: Trevor Story Reportedly Choosing among 4 teams

[Richmond Dude]

I dunno, that story screams a plant from Story's agent to price up a bidder at the end of the process now that most of the other teams that inquired on him have finalized other options.

[Riverbrian]

5 minutes ago, Richmond Dude said:

I dunno, that story screams a plant from Story's agent to price up a bidder at the end of the process now that most of the other teams that inquired on him have finalized other options.

 

I agree... that's how I read it between the lines as well. It has all the motivational buzz in it. 

1. Why not name the other teams? 

Makes it sound like the named teams the Giants and Red Sox are the front runners if the mystery teams don't add a year to the deal. 

2. Prioritizing Winning

Makes it sound like the mystery teams need to an add a year to the deal. 

3. Open to other positions short term

Makes it sound like the mystery teams better add a year to the deal. 

4. Making a decision soon

Makes it sound like the mystery teams better add a year to the deal soon. 

 

Dear, Derek Falvey and Thad Lavine

Just add a year to the deal... Just get it done. You'll need more offense to overcome some of your pitching question marks. You can always add Ryan Jeffers in a package to someone in 3 years if you need to get out from under it. 

 

Sincerly,

Riverbrian

 

[howeda7]

1 hour ago, cHawk said:

That is not relevant to the topic at hand. Stop harping on the past.

Plus they weren’t one or two players away from winning a playoff series in 2019 or 2020. They were virtually a whole team away.

They won 101 regular season games but were a "whole team" away from winning 3 play-off games? 

[howeda7]

13 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

 

I agree... that's how I read it between the lines as well. It has all the motivational buzz in it. 

1. Why not name the other teams? 

Makes it sound like the named teams the Giants and Red Sox are the front runners if the mystery teams don't add a year to the deal. 

2. Prioritizing Winning

Makes it sound like the mystery teams need to an add a year to the deal. 

3. Open to other positions short term

Makes it sound like the mystery teams better add a year to the deal. 

4. Making a decision soon

Makes it sound like the mystery teams better add a year to the deal soon. 

 

Dear, Derek Falvey and Thad Lavine

Just add a year to the deal... Just get it done. You'll need more offense to overcome some of your pitching question marks. You can always add Ryan Jeffers in a package to someone in 3 years if you need to get out from under it. 

 

Sincerly,

Riverbrian

 

Once Falvey has a "red line" he won't cross it. Then he wouldn't "win" the signing and that's unacceptable. 

[cHawk]

35 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

The Twins won 101 games in 2019, the FO in 2019 was the same FO we have currently. I find it hard to believe that a team that won 101 games was virtually a whole team away from wining, but a last place team is just oh so close that the fans are OK with them trading away prospects that have been so coveted the last few years that they couldn't possibly be traded. 

Any topic that talks about this FO it is relevant to talk about all the things they have done or not done.

I totally get people/fans want the Twins to just do something that doesn't make the team worse and give them something to cheer for, but letting them completely off the hook, well I don't have to. You can and that is your opinion and I can respect that, can you do the same?

They were blasted into bits on all sides of the ball in the playoffs in 2019. Adding MadBum might have caused the Twins to give up fewer runs but they still would’ve scored 2.3 runs/game. You don’t beat a team like the Yankees when you play like that.I’m not letting them off the hook. Not at all. I’m just pushing back on the notion that them not trading a prospect in 2019 is the reason they didn’t win a playoff series that year. Should they have traded a prospect in 2019? I think it was the right thing to do.

I realize I misstated your position, in which I apologize.

[cHawk]

7 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

They won 101 regular season games but were a "whole team" away from winning 3 play-off games? 

They scored 2.3 runs/game, allowed 7.7 runs/game, and committed several errors in the field in that series. One or two players would not have made the difference between them winning or losing that series.

[Mike Sixel]

7 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

They won 101 regular season games but were a "whole team" away from winning 3 play-off games? 

They won 101 games and are inept, clueless, etc.? 

They signed Donaldson to get over the top. It didn't work. They traded him now because they have lots of options at third.....

[Obsvr]

6 minutes ago, cHawk said:

They scored 2.3 runs/game, allowed 7.7 runs/game, and committed several errors in the field in that series. One or two players would not have made the difference between them winning or losing that series.

super duper small sample size tho

[howeda7]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

They won 101 games and are inept, clueless, etc.? 

They signed Donaldson to get over the top. It didn't work. They traded him now because they have lots of options at third.....

They made some good moves early. From 7/31/19 on, they were foolish enough not to go all in on that team instead of hoarding prospects for a "window" that has already closed. Then they refused to pay what it took to get a real starter in FA and signed Donaldson instead. Then they made a series of God awful decisions prior to 2021 and now they've traded away Garver to "clear salary" that they will spend on...no one. Yeah, that's pretty inept, IMO.

[cHawk]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

They won 101 games and are inept, clueless, etc.? 

They signed Donaldson to get over the top. It didn't work. They traded him now because they have lots of options at third.....

I never said they were. They definitely deserve credit for it.

But given the way that they played in the three playoff games that year, pretty much nothing the front office could’ve done would’ve changed the results.

[LastOnePicked]

Look at us. Reduced to squabbling over short playoff runs and praying that the FO will sign just one impact free agent, who may or may not have that much of an impact here when all is said and done.

I hope they sign Story, sure, but I don't know why Story would want to come here. This team doesn't have confidence. It doesn't have wind in its sails. It's not a fundamentally sound team. Fans are skeptical and apathetic. They weren't much fun to watch last year, and they probably won't be much fun this year with this roster.

Would you sign here if winning mattered to you? Of course you wouldn't. Only somebody like Nelson Cruz had the swagger to persuade a star to come here, and he's gone.

I know we're going to hope into the night that something good happens in a signing or a trade. But I just want to see a winning culture develop here. I don't just want to trade for a Manea, I want to develop and keep a Manea, and three more like him. I don't want to sign Story as much as I want Lewis or Martin or another prospect to develop into a greater Story.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'd like Falvey and Levine to just pick a damn lane and stay there. The Garver/IKF trade was smart. The Donaldson trade was monumentally stupid. Either develop a defense and pitching strong juggernaut here over the next five years, or learn how to spend money and get the most out of the market.

[cHawk]

10 minutes ago, Obsvr said:

super duper small sample size tho

That’s what the playoffs are…it’s what happened. There’s no debating that.

[USAFChief]

59 minutes ago, cHawk said:

I never said they were. They definitely deserve credit for it. W

But given the way that they played in the three playoff games that year, pretty much nothing the front office could’ve done would’ve changed the results.

What are you even arguing? You've said they should have added at the deadline in 2019. 

"But they got swept" is hindsight and meaningless to the question of the 2019 deadline. 

And BTW, who's to say a top starter wouldn't have tossed 8 scoreless, won a game, and changed the entire series? Randy Dobnak started game 2, ferpetesake.

[DH_11]

Go get him plz!

[twinssporto]

Everyone RELAX! We're gonna sign this guy. All is well....

Hopefully.....

[dxpavelka]

4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah, I hope this is agent bluster because if Story is going to choose a team, it probably ain't gonna be the Twins.

Then how does one think we were going to get him?

[Dave The Dastardly]

Here's my "Story"; get a pitcher that can throw strikes for seven innings. Confucius say; shortstop who can catch homerun ball not short.

[Nashvilletwin]

Lol.

I’ve been a Falvey/FO supporter. I think the Pohlads are great owners.

But that Yankee trade was asinine.  Usherla is our starting SS this year? Or is it Polanco? Or Gordon? All worse than what we had post the Garver trade. 

Sanchez is our backup catcher? Or is it Goyon? Really?

How in the H E Double Toothpicks did we get here?

I watch nearly every game on TV - over 150 games last year. I’ve never been less excited about a team than this one.

 

 

[cHawk]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

What are you even arguing? You've said they should have added at the deadline in 2019. 

"But they got swept" is hindsight and meaningless to the question of the 2019 deadline. 

And BTW, who's to say a top starter wouldn't have tossed 8 scoreless, won a game, and changed the entire series? Randy Dobnak started game 2, ferpetesake.

I admitted that I misstated TwinsDr2021’s position. Yes, they should’ve added at the deadline.

I don’t believe that the Twins would’ve won that series even with a top starter. The Twins were inept on all sides of the ball. Their relief corps imploded several times. They made multiple errors both in the field and on the bases (Arraez’ throwing error, Rosario diving for first, Garver’s catchers interference). They couldn’t get timely hits.

You just don’t win a playoff series when you play like that. It’s horrible baseball.

[Brock Beauchamp]

@cHawk @USAFChief Please stop litigating the 2019 postseason in a thread about Trevor Story. It's wildly off-topic here.

[wabene]

I'm getting tired of refreshing the MLBTR page. Wake me up in two weeks.

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

You can always add Ryan Jeffers in a package to someone in 3 years if you need to get out from under it.

The new Brian Duensing!

(Way to twist the knife, man.)

[KnoblauchWasFramed]

Guys and ladies.... come on now... you know that this was NEVER going to happen.  

Also, for everyone who hasn't figured it out yet and for those who fail to believe it, this is our 2022 pitching situation;

• Sonny Gray
• Joe Ryan
• Dylan Bundy
• Bailey Ober
• Jharel Cotton
• Randy Dobnak / Chi Chi Rodriguez
• No Bullpen Additions

That's it.  That's all there is.  No one else is coming.  It's this trash up until the trading deadline then we'll move anyone who was remotely mediocre and then roll in the rookies to finish out our 100+ loss season.  

We have all been had.  Not only did the Twins not do the bare minimum moves needed to make the Twins "competitive" again, they actually SIGNIFICANTLY downgraded the entire team.  They traded away about 60 homeruns and added 200 more strikeouts and about 50 more errors.  But they saved the Polads about $50 million.  That was the end result of all of the moves.  They didn't need to dump salary and could have at least kept the nucleus of the team together to make the season entertaining, but they willingly chose to give all of us fans the middle finger.  They brought back unwanted Yankee garbage and handicapped the team in amazing fashion.  They traded away guys who are actively producing today for guys with the hope and prayer that they can turn into the players they were 3-4 seasons ago.  Except, that those players 3-4 years ago still weren't good.  

ENJOY THE SEASON!!!  IT'S GUARANTEED TO BE HISTORIC!  

[KnoblauchWasFramed]

1 hour ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Lol.

I’ve been a Falvey/FO supporter. I think the Pohlads are great owners.

But that Yankee trade was asinine.  Usherla is our starting SS this year? Or is it Polanco? Or Gordon? All worse than what we had post the Garver trade. 

Sanchez is our backup catcher? Or is it Goyon? Really?

How in the H E Double Toothpicks did we get here?

I watch nearly every game on TV - over 150 games last year. I’ve never been less excited about a team than this one.

 

 

"The Pohlads are great owners"  GREAT OWNERS???  Wow,  Just.  Wow.  

[Richmond Dude]

1 hour ago, wabene said:

I'm getting tired of refreshing the MLBTR page. Wake me up in two weeks.

This may very possibly be the best insight I've read on the situation all day.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

This whole topic is depressing.  I'm signing off. I'm going to read something positive before I go to bed.

[darwin22]

6 hours ago, Dman said:

The plan might not have been Story they still might be in on Montas or Montas and Manea taking on the Andrus salary from the A's.  Still there appears to be a lot of competition for Montas as well so no sure thing.  If they miss on both then it looks like an Urshela, Polanco, maybe Palacios or Gordon type rotation at short.  That would hurt for sure so I hope they manage to get another deal done.

Hope is a dangerous thing, moreover with this front office and the history of this team.  Even if we make a deal for either Montas or Manaea, my gut tells me Falvey will get fleeced giving up some combination of either Martin or Lewis, Balazovic or Winder and another player, like Larnach.  At this point, I have ZERO expectations this team, as presently comprised, will even come close to winning 70 games. 

[darwin22]

1 hour ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

Guys and ladies.... come on now... you know that this was NEVER going to happen.  

Also, for everyone who hasn't figured it out yet and for those who fail to believe it, this is our 2022 pitching situation;

• Sonny Gray
• Joe Ryan
• Dylan Bundy
• Bailey Ober
• Jharel Cotton
• Randy Dobnak / Chi Chi Rodriguez
• No Bullpen Additions

That's it.  That's all there is.  No one else is coming.  It's this trash up until the trading deadline then we'll move anyone who was remotely mediocre and then roll in the rookies to finish out our 100+ loss season.  

We have all been had.  Not only did the Twins not do the bare minimum moves needed to make the Twins "competitive" again, they actually SIGNIFICANTLY downgraded the entire team.  They traded away about 60 homeruns and added 200 more strikeouts and about 50 more errors.  But they saved the Polads about $50 million.  That was the end result of all of the moves.  They didn't need to dump salary and could have at least kept the nucleus of the team together to make the season entertaining, but they willingly chose to give all of us fans the middle finger.  They brought back unwanted Yankee garbage and handicapped the team in amazing fashion.  They traded away guys who are actively producing today for guys with the hope and prayer that they can turn into the players they were 3-4 seasons ago.  Except, that those players 3-4 years ago still weren't good.  

ENJOY THE SEASON!!!  IT'S GUARANTEED TO BE HISTORIC!  

Thank you for such an insightful and honest take.  One of the best I've read for a long time.  My 40 year+ allegiance to this franchise is dangerously close to coming to end.

[Game7-91]

Pineda to Tigers.......

Oh well.......

[Dman]

14 minutes ago, Game7-91 said:

Pineda to Tigers.......

Oh well.......

Pineda to Tigers on Twins like salary as well.  He came cheap.  I sure hope they get Montas or they are going to have to rely on the young guys this year.