I remember the 1st time I saw Johan Santana, I believed he could become an ace. He had a impressive 4-seam FB and very good slider but later w/MN he developed an elite circle change-up and the rest is history. With Chris Archer I had the same feeling, he reminded me a lot of Santana. He had the same 4-seamer, a better slider (IMO), he already had a circle change-up and he was a work horse. At TB he was very good but still had things to improve much like Santana did.  Archer was hyped up and