Keith Laws top 100 where are the Twins?

[Prince William]

Back to the subject. It is difficult to take rankings as meaningful  A real old article once stated that beyond the top 20, if a player was ranked it was not a sign of a good player as only about a 20% made it as a player.  Fangraphs once had something that 1/3  of the 3 war players were never ranked as prospects. Mr Law likes a couple of players. That is good.

Many of the Twins prospect will not fare well in algorithms. Recent draftees in lower rounds have neither the pedigree nor innings put in to shine as prospects. It does not mean they are not decent prospects

[sampleSizeOfOne]

23 hours ago, glunn said:

No squabbling, please.

My humblest apologies for my contribution to the squabbling...

But how can i not? Especially with the q landing on a tripple letter score?

 

(and now i have to read this article and thread, as i got here because i was quoted from another thread entirely that was nominally at least meant to be light hearted.)

[raindog]

Keith Law posted his farm system rankings today:

18. Minnesota Twins

Last year: No. 8

Farm systems change each year for two reasons: Teams add/let go of talent in the system, and the players in the system themselves improve or regress. The Twins’ system is the most likely of any team ranked in the bottom half to benefit from that second part because they have so many players who should be on the upswing and be more valuable in a year than they are now. They have a ton of players who need to get healthy and get on the field — highlighted by Royce Lewis — and a number of players who should see progress from working with the Twins’ player development department. But that doesn’t mean I could wishcast this into a top-half system just yet.

[gunnarthor]

I think that statement by Law is justifiable. We have a lot of guys you can dream on but aren't quite there yet. Not sure that's a bad thing - although I've been unimpressed with Levine for a while now - but I think this should be a make or break year for many people in the org, both players and staff.

[Mike Sixel]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:59 AM, gunnarthor said:

I think that statement by Law is justifiable. We have a lot of guys you can dream on but aren't quite there yet. Not sure that's a bad thing - although I've been unimpressed with Levine for a while now - but I think this should be a make or break year for many people in the org, both players and staff.

If the minors don't start producing this year, they need to look at the FO. Because there isn't much home grown talent acquired since this FO took over on the roster (and yes, there are other teams that have good, contributing, players acquired in that time). Their work has to start showing value soon, or I don't know how you can't question their strategy of drafting corner OFers over and over (or 1B) in early rounds, among other things.

[Battle ur tail off]

26 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

If the minors don't start producing this year, they need to look at the FO. Because there isn't much home grown talent acquired since this FO took over on the roster (and yes, there are other teams that have good, contributing, players acquired in that time). Their work has to start showing value soon, or I don't know how you can't question their strategy of drafting corner OFers over and over (or 1B) in early rounds, among other things.

Heck yeah I don't like drafting corner players hardly at all unless their bat is elite. 

3B is one thing but the rest of the corner positions are usually manned by former C, SS, and CF that couldn't hack it. Athleticism wins out most of the time. 

[dxpavelka]

On 2/6/2022 at 1:54 PM, Prince William said:

 I am well aware of the era and games played by the members I listed. I expected the fan of the Twins to know that also. Sorry I tried to have a little fun with the the exchange that people seemed to need a little lightning up on. I see it is serious only here unless it is a an unfunny gif

My point is that, yeah, sure, some guys have done it.  Few have done it and actually helped the baseball club.

[nicksaviking]

On 2/8/2022 at 11:50 AM, Mike Sixel said:

If the minors don't start producing this year, they need to look at the FO. Because there isn't much home grown talent acquired since this FO took over on the roster (and yes, there are other teams that have good, contributing, players acquired in that time). Their work has to start showing value soon, or I don't know how you can't question their strategy of drafting corner OFers over and over (or 1B) in early rounds, among other things.

No doubt, and I can't even imagine the front office would disagree. They've put all their eggs in one basket; developing the minor league arms. The won't do free agents, they didn't extend Berrios, this is clearly their plan and there's zero ambiguity about it.

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

On 2/8/2022 at 11:50 AM, Mike Sixel said:

If the minors don't start producing this year, they need to look at the FO. Because there isn't much home grown talent acquired since this FO took over on the roster (and yes, there are other teams that have good, contributing, players acquired in that time). Their work has to start showing value soon, or I don't know how you can't question their strategy of drafting corner OFers over and over (or 1B) in early rounds, among other things.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think their choice of corner players over athleticism hasn't panned out (possibly "yet"), but I think it's underplayed that this front office has been in charge of five drafts and has chosen two shortstops in the first round. Unfortunately, neither has worked out (and in the case of Cavaco, I suspect will not work out permanently) but they have drafted some athleticism early, they both haven't done it well and have been hit with some pretty awful luck (I think we can all agree Lewis's completely BS random injury while walking is flat-out bad luck).

[Sousy]

On 2/7/2022 at 10:59 AM, gunnarthor said:

I think that statement by Law is justifiable. We have a lot of guys you can dream on but aren't quite there yet. Not sure that's a bad thing - although I've been unimpressed with Levine for a while now - but I think this should be a make or break year for many people in the org, both players and staff.

Law's statement is certainly accurate - and he dropped his opinion of Lewis simply because we haven't seen him play ball since 2019.  This year going into the season will certainly be a down year in terms of prospects because the top draftees from 2016-2018 mostly saw enough MLB time to have graduated (Kirilloff, Larnach, Rooker) or haven't played (Lewis).

There's a lot of guys in the pitching pipeline that need to show some rapid progress over the course of the season.