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[Squirrel]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/details-on-mlbpas-latest-offer-to-league.html
 

“Perhaps the most notable difference is that the players agreed to give the league the authority to make on-field changes with a 45-day window of initial proposal, in regards to three specific rules — a pitch clock, restrictions on the use of defensive shifts, and the size of the bases.”

There were more details in there than what I extracted.

[wsnydes]

 

I don't like being an alarmist, but reading something like this isn't encouraging.

 

[wsnydes]

And then in the next breath, you get this!

 

 

[Squirrel]

1 minute ago, wsnydes said:

And then in the next breath, you get this!

 

 

Yeah, but that still isn’t anything. Owners only to give up money in one area as long as it is made up in another, which signifies an unwillingness there, too

[wsnydes]

30 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Yeah, but that still isn’t anything. Owners only to give up money in one area as long as it is made up in another, which signifies an unwillingness there, too

While true, that's been an area that there hasn't really been any significant movement on, from what I recall anyway.  I just see that as the give and take of a negotiation.  Whether it's meaningful is anyone's guess.

[wsnydes]

Opening day pushed back to at least April 14th.  

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-announces-postponement-of-games-through-april-14.html

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

16 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

Opening day pushed back to at least April 14th.  

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-announces-postponement-of-games-through-april-14.html

Seems more like there won't be an opening day in 2022. That makes me sad and I really hope I'm wrong. 

The owners, in the past few days, have apparently revived their demand for an international draft. This issue didn't exactly come out of nowhere, but it's a non starter for the players. It was a non-starter for the players in the last CBA. As shady as the international free agency market can seem to us, especially in the Dominican, the international players prefer it to a draft. They have said so. Fair enough. So there is no reason to even bring up the international draft issue, none, other than to intentionally kill a negotiation.  

Yes the players are greedy, but they have dropped their big earlier demands for quicker free agency and friendlier arbitration. The players want a deal, and want to play. Because they are baseball players. And twice now, when a deal seemed within reach, at least to us on the outside, the owners do something to pull the rug out, that the owners know will pull the rug out from under the players' feet.

I read somewhere that the MLBPA has a war chest for lower salary players to draw from, and that the war chest can last the full season. .

And now that games have been cancelled, it looks like service time and retro pay are new issues to factor in the negotiation, making an agreement seem all the harder. 

As mentioned earlier, why don't the owners just throw the gates open and see what happens. I don't know the ins and outs, but apparently the prior CBA stays in effect if no new CBA is agreed to? I also don't feel like the players would spike the postseason without a new CBA to play under. They'd lose the fans in a heartbeat. 

 

[wsnydes]

For what it's worth, season ticket holders were informed today on how cancelled games will be credited to their accounts.

 

 

[Trov]

15 hours ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

Seems more like there won't be an opening day in 2022. That makes me sad and I really hope I'm wrong. 

The owners, in the past few days, have apparently revived their demand for an international draft. This issue didn't exactly come out of nowhere, but it's a non starter for the players. It was a non-starter for the players in the last CBA. As shady as the international free agency market can seem to us, especially in the Dominican, the international players prefer it to a draft. They have said so. Fair enough. So there is no reason to even bring up the international draft issue, none, other than to intentionally kill a negotiation.  

Yes the players are greedy, but they have dropped their big earlier demands for quicker free agency and friendlier arbitration. The players want a deal, and want to play. Because they are baseball players. And twice now, when a deal seemed within reach, at least to us on the outside, the owners do something to pull the rug out, that the owners know will pull the rug out from under the players' feet.

I read somewhere that the MLBPA has a war chest for lower salary players to draw from, and that the war chest can last the full season. .

And now that games have been cancelled, it looks like service time and retro pay are new issues to factor in the negotiation, making an agreement seem all the harder. 

As mentioned earlier, why don't the owners just throw the gates open and see what happens. I don't know the ins and outs, but apparently the prior CBA stays in effect if no new CBA is agreed to? I also don't feel like the players would spike the postseason without a new CBA to play under. They'd lose the fans in a heartbeat. 

 

The war chest is common for unions to off-set the lost money in a work stoppage so people are less forced to accept less.  The owner could end the lockout out any moment and start the season under the old CBA and until the players strike.  The work stoppage was coming because the two sides were way to far apart.  The owners were worried of a repeat of 95, where the strike ended the season and post-season.  Yes, the fans would blame the players for that, but the two sides should not care who the fans blame because losing fans will hurt both sides.  It is not like the fans will put in a vote and say we side with this group and that side wins the CBA they want.  For the most part, fans do not care how the money is split, we want competitive entertaining baseball. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

15 hours ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

Seems more like there won't be an opening day in 2022. That makes me sad and I really hope I'm wrong. 

The owners, in the past few days, have apparently revived their demand for an international draft. This issue didn't exactly come out of nowhere, but it's a non starter for the players. It was a non-starter for the players in the last CBA. As shady as the international free agency market can seem to us, especially in the Dominican, the international players prefer it to a draft. They have said so. Fair enough. So there is no reason to even bring up the international draft issue, none, other than to intentionally kill a negotiation.  

Yes the players are greedy, but they have dropped their big earlier demands for quicker free agency and friendlier arbitration. The players want a deal, and want to play. Because they are baseball players. And twice now, when a deal seemed within reach, at least to us on the outside, the owners do something to pull the rug out, that the owners know will pull the rug out from under the players' feet.

I read somewhere that the MLBPA has a war chest for lower salary players to draw from, and that the war chest can last the full season. .

And now that games have been cancelled, it looks like service time and retro pay are new issues to factor in the negotiation, making an agreement seem all the harder. 

As mentioned earlier, why don't the owners just throw the gates open and see what happens. I don't know the ins and outs, but apparently the prior CBA stays in effect if no new CBA is agreed to? I also don't feel like the players would spike the postseason without a new CBA to play under. They'd lose the fans in a heartbeat. 

You're absolutely right that the owners need to stop pulling this eleventh hour crap but the players should also just agree to an international draft once they see some reasonable demands met. It's the right thing to do for the sport.

[Squirrel]

7 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

You're absolutely right that the owners need to stop pulling this eleventh hour crap but the players should also just agree to an international draft once they see some reasonable demands met. It's the right thing to do for the sport.

They resolved the international draft issue, according to this:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-mlbpa-international-draft-agreement-july-25-deadline.html

So ... now we'll see what MLB comes back with

[tony&rodney]

Today or tomorrow .... it will happen. An agreement will be announced today unless eight owners rebel.

[Brock Beauchamp]

7 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Today or tomorrow .... it will happen. An agreement will be announced today unless eight owners rebel.

At this point, I'm convinced Arte Moreno is literally torpedoing these proceedings simply to keep Ohtani for one more year via service time.

I lived in LA when Moreno bought the team and everyone was so excited, now he's considered one of the worst owners in the sport.

[tony&rodney]

2 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Arte Moreno is literally torpedoing these proceedings

I hope not because a lot of people are pumped to see a healthy Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, and Syndergaard play along with some guys like Walsh and Marsh. They have star power.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

2 hours ago, Squirrel said:

They resolved the international draft issue, according to this:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-mlbpa-international-draft-agreement-july-25-deadline.html

So ... now we'll see what MLB comes back with

Basically, they agreed to disagree or agreed to postpone a decision on it — good enough for me!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

An interesting way to describe talks, this from a little bit ago:

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

The owners, at the last minute: 

 

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

That’s not chump change.