Where are you currently with this FO?

[LastOnePicked]

I've already put my opinion out there about this FO. Multiple times. I've spewed enough venom on this subject.

I don't like being so negative, by the way. I like to see the best in others. But I want the Twins to have an elite FO. I want this team led by innovative thinkers who have a passion - and a strategy - for winning.

I think this FO gets a few things right, but I also wonder if they believe their own hype. They talk about their moves/deals the ways the most bland corporate executives talk. I don't sense the spark there for this team, and I never have sensed any urgency from them about winning it all. Or even just one playoff game.

And, sadly, things have gotten much worse under their direction. They took on a team with an upward trajectory, and now the team is decidedly pointing downwards. All while doing absolutely next-to-nothing so far about the rotation for next year. If Buxton has an MVP season next year and yet we can't win games because of pitching, that's going to be another huge lost opportunity.

I would have already fired them back in September, but I may be too emotional about the Twins and too rash and 2022 may prove me wrong. I hope so. I want them to succeed.

[TwinsDr2021]

16 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

You are mixing where we were with present reality.  They were on a path.  I am sure (like every other team) they hoped things went perfectly and all those pitching prospects didn't miss a year and then all be hurt the next year.  I am sure they hoped Kepler's breakout would be sustained and Sano would find some consistency.  I am sure they hoped Buxton would stay healthy etc etc.  **** happens.  How you deal with it is what matters.  

I am mixing anything. I never expected the Twins to be where they are right now, because that FO has been telling us not to think that way, It is very rare when things go perfectly with a plan. And with this FO it seems sets up a good to great PLAN A, but never really anything after that.

And so far this off season is more of the same except this time I am not even sure what Plan A is.

With that said Plan A for 2024 looks great,  Jeffers, Miranda, Lewis(?), Polanco, AK, Laranch, Buxton. Kepler, and a bunch of minor league pitching prospects in the rotation and pen.

Not sure how many people will stick around for 2024, if 2022 goes the way of 2021 and/or the pitching prospects end up not living up to expectations, but hey we are Twins fans and continue to make excuses for the team. (That wasn't meant at you)

[RpR]

Going way back to Cal Griffith , he let money rule his method as this was his ONLY form of income, but he had a natural instinct for baseball talent, and when they were getting lessor  ( Do not mention Kaat, I believe that was personal for what ever reason)  ; the new boys do not have a natural baseball instinct, so they are more like Steinbrenner with out the near unlimited money, and the Yankees have done better than the Twins but not enough to show money cures all ills.

That the Yankees now own the Twins on the field, is a matter of poor managers, which happens when owners do not have baseball instincts like Cal.

[GoBlue48]

On 12/11/2021 at 3:56 PM, Seth Stohs said:

The results have certainly been mixed, for sure. But I believe in their processes. I love what they've done in player development, with coaches, coordinators, technology and analytics, especially with pitchers... and seeing the strategies in terms of the draft and development, it's going to be fun to see them going forward. I personally agree with their philosophy on getting as many data points into all decisions. (Data points being analytics, scouting, people's opinions in various roles, etc.)  

 

The pitching coach is less than desirable for such a current staff that cannot compete in their division. When will the FO understand that pitching is the most important asset on this team? It will be another ho hum year with less than 80 wins with a possible third or fourth place finish in 2022.

[Brock Beauchamp]

19 hours ago, RpR said:

Going way back to Cal Griffith , he let money rule his method as this was his ONLY form of income, but he had a natural instinct for baseball talent, and when they were getting lessor  ( Do not mention Kaat, I believe that was personal for what ever reason)  ; the new boys do not have a natural baseball instinct, so they are more like Steinbrenner with out the near unlimited money, and the Yankees have done better than the Twins but not enough to show money cures all ills.

That the Yankees now own the Twins on the field, is a matter of poor managers, which happens when owners do not have baseball instincts like Cal.

For a guy with natural baseball instincts, Griffith didn't have a lot of sustained success through the second half of his ownership tenure. The 60s were certainly great but from 1971 to the team's sale in 1984, the Twins never won more than 85 games in a season. That's nearly a decade and a half of mediocre to bad baseball.

[Swing Batter-Batter]

The front office has made some good moves and some bad moves, every front office does. I believe the real problem is with ownership. They control the money and therefore control what any GM can do, to better the team. I don't think the Pohlad's care much about winning, as long as they are making money, wins and loses are irrelevant. 

[RpR]

4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

For a guy with natural baseball instincts, Griffith didn't have a lot of sustained success through the second half of his ownership tenure. The 60s were certainly great but from 1971 to the team's sale in 1984, the Twins never won more than 85 games in a season. That's nearly a decade and a half of mediocre to bad baseball.

Never did they lose 89 or more games in the seventies, Sam Melee was gone , Cal could not afford the huge salaries that came during the seventies.

Using 1987, as a break point,  when players in system were still result of Cal; the Twins up to that point only had 5 years of 89 or more losses; since then the Twins have had 11 years of 89 or more losses.

Now even T. Kelley had bad years but when he made the play-offs he was not embarrassed as the Twins have been since then and the Yankees did not own the Twins till after Kelley.

[RJA]

I voted middle but am not a fan of this FO.  They have messed up every free agency period (Ok, they signed Cruz but let's not spend the next 10 years justifying the FO based on one signing), they routinely refuse to sign Twins players to extensions unless they get a fantastic deal (Buxton signed here in spite of them as he is a loyal guy and loves the area--they would have traded him last summer if Philly had more to offer), and they try to blow smoke up the _ _ _ of every Twins fan by claiming they are working to compete in 2022 and not doing a rebuild.  How could you trade your best pictcher in Berrios and try like the devil to trade a generational talent like Buxton, and claim to not be doing a rebuild?  They treat fans like we are idiots.  BUT, the only reason I didn't vote to eliminate them is because I am concerned about who would replace them.  Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions on who should replace them and whether he/they would come here?

[Russ]

FO lacks player development and player evaluation skills or performance.   Baddoo, Wade, Jr., could have helped in 2021, instead we have Garlick, Cave and others.  Many pretender pitching performances instead of Wells.  They are ready on camera to pat themselves on the back and nowhere to be found as the Twins flounder.  The local media including this one needs to ask non snowball questions.  Need to turn up the heat to maybe get some progress.  Yes the Twins won the division in 2019 and 2020, but looked terrible in 2021.

Winning the division see.s to be the goal and nothing else.  The national media will continue to ignore the Twins,

[Sparky55]

If they can develop the young pitchers they have not over spending on an aging starter might look like the right move. I would rather see them sign a significant starting pitcher when they are competitive.

[Scotts]

They have NO NUMBER ONE OR TWO STARTING PITCHERS

 

You tell me, 

what they have done to get fans excited for 2022 besides buxton!

P.S. What did they do with the Berrios  money.   Hmmm