Twins Sign RHP Dylan Bundy

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

1 hour ago, ScottyB said:

He’ll be cut by June. Worse pickup than Happ was last year.

The guy is a full decade younger than Happ and was good less than 2 years ago. They got him for the price of a middle reliever.

I don't mind this as a back-end rotation addition at all. The fact that it happened within an hour of Stroman signing somewhere else...that part is discouraging.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

1 hour ago, Shs_2 said:

I'd rather have Bundy for 5 million

Than Robbie Ray for 115

Or Gausman for 110+

And even Stroman w/ Cubbies we'll see about the money

[Cute kid shrugging "why not both?" picture goes here]

[gunnarthor]

So, I'm not a fan of this FO but I will say that I love this signing. I've been pushing for this to happen for years. Even if he fails, I won't blame Falvine.

 

[nicksaviking]

15 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Came here to pump the brakes a little on the ticker tape parade forming over the signing of a sore-shouldered pitcher with a name familiar to certain strata of fans.

Looks instead like the parade is stalled in the fairgrounds parking lot. My services will not be required today, after all.

We could use some jumper cables if you got them.

[nicksaviking]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

If we can help Bundy control the HRs allowed he can be good.  He doesn't walk alot of people and he K's a fair amount.  but he gives up 1.5 HRs per 9 and last year 2.0 per 9.  in 2020 he allowed .7 and was in the CY Young conversation.  His other numbers hits, walks, and K's are pretty constant.

His velocity has been down to 90 MPH for a couple years now, I don’t think there’s much to fix. I think he’s just a guy with a near worn out shoulder.

[USAFChief]

We are becoming a joke. 

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

God Bless Twins fans like you.  Always taking that big turd you're given and putting a nice high polish on it. 

I don't mind this signing provided we get 2 more good pitchers. I am not as thrilled with it.. Maybe Pineda and a starter from Oakland. So i can feel better....   .

[Shaitan]

A team with like 50 openings for pitchers signed one for cheap. I don't really see the rub here. You want them to sign 50 Verlanders?

[lukeduke1980]

You only need a starter to go 4 or 5 innings with an elite bullpen.  Maybe that's the plan.

[LastOnePicked]

Maybe not terrible. Maybe not great. But this is not a "retooling" move, FO. If you're still serious about competing in 2022, get back on those phones, fellas.

[nicksaviking]

7 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

A team with like 50 openings for pitchers signed one for cheap. I don't really see the rub here. You want them to sign 50 Verlanders?

I think most fans are ready for this club to go for quality over quantity, and quality is pretty much all signed with other clubs already.

One of Ober, Ryan or Bundy is going to be the #3? How is that the contending team this club keeps saying they are putting together next year?

[Shaitan]

5 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I think most fans are ready for this club to go for quality over quantity, and quality is pretty much all signed with other clubs already.

One of Ober, Ryan or Bundy is going to be the #3? How is that the contending team this club keeps saying they are putting together next year?

I get it. But the truth is that they need both quality and quantity.

And $4m for a starting pitcher is basically Jake Cave money. Meaning...he could be gone tomorrow.

Is it a glamorous signing? No.

Is it a bad signing? Also no.

[SoDakTwinsFan]

Hope Buxton stays healthy.  He will have a lot of home runs to rob.

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, Shaitan said:

I get it. But the truth is that they need both quality and quantity.

And $4m for a starting pitcher is basically Jake Cave money. Meaning...he could be gone tomorrow.

Is it a glamorous signing? No.

Is it a bad signing? Also no.

The trick is not to accumulate pitchers. That's easy. I guarantee the Twins will break camp with 13 or 14 pitchers next spring. As will every team.

 

The trick is to accumulate pitchers who are better than other team's pitchers. 

"He could be gone tomorrow" is no more a good thing for a pitcher than "he's cheap to cut" was a good thing for Jake Cave.

 

[Johnny Ringo]

Dylan Bundy. Wasn't that the supergroup Bob envisioned before Ted became troubled?

[nicksaviking]

24 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

I get it. But the truth is that they need both quality and quantity.

And $4m for a starting pitcher is basically Jake Cave money. Meaning...he could be gone tomorrow.

Is it a glamorous signing? No.

Is it a bad signing? Also no.

They already have a quantity of pitchers though, they’re just inexperienced.

And as we repeatedly see, there is rarely a difference in quality between the young pitchers and the low level starters they keep signing.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

Good luck Dylan Bundy. I hope your time with the Twins is successful  for the team and for you and your family.

[se7799]

2 hours ago, Shs_2 said:

I did not even know he was a FA.  This is a perfectly acceptable move.

I'd rather have Bundy for 5 million

Than Robbie Ray for 115

Or Gausman for 110+

And even Stroman w/ Cubbies we'll see about the money (which I'm guessing is 60 million or more)

I mean the Mets W/ Mad Max might spend 250 million this year!!

I have to ask, why would you rather have Bundy than Ray, Stromen, or Gausmen?  Honestly. Why?

[DocBauer]

Not going to lie, I'm disappointed and basically PO'd at this point!

The market has been moving! There were SEVERAL solid, quality FA SP available without breaking the bank in any way. And the FO let them all pass. I laid out an option where the FO could have been "inventive" with Ray and front load his deal, including an opt out. And they could have done the exact same thing with Stroman, which the Cubs just did! Grrr! And I'm sorry, but I'd easily pick the Twins over the Cubs as being a legitimate playoff contender the next 2yrs. 

I am disappointed and unhappy, perplexed, and PO'd at this point.

BUT...in regard to Bundy exclusively, I will say I was intrigued to sign him as a #3 option instead of Pineda. He has pitched for nothing but bad, losing teams. He's had a strange career where he's generally been good about every other year. A couple years ago he was seen as a guy who needed to be "rescued" from Baltimore to reach his potential. And after a good 2020, now he's an also-ran. I think he's worth a cheap flier to be a solid #3, but I don't know that the #2 potential he has flashed, and many thought he could be, is viable at this point. It would take a major turnaround to be that guy many thought he could be a couple seasons ago.

MAYBE we get lucky. I don't think luck and hope is how you build a staff to compete in 2022.

So what now? We re-sign Pineda and make a trade of ML and milb talent to bring in a quality arm to front the rotation and hope for the best with a bullpen that has a chance to be good with a smart addition or two? Even with a good lineup, is that enough?

The more you trade away, the less you establish the "continuous competition" idea preached by the FO. I've never asked, and few of us ever have asked, that the Twins just blow up payroll. But I, and most of us I think, have just asked to just spend to an acceptable delta of payroll. 

The FO had a chance to just add a couple good arms on "decent"  terms to remain competitive while waiting for the number of arms in the system to reach their potential. 

So are we really NOT re,-tooling? Are we actually re-building for 2023 and beyond? Then just admit it. 

I've been an advocate for our FO in so many ways, but I'm confused and frustrated right now with their approach. There is too much talent on the ML roster right now, and too much coming up, to just "give up" for 2022. 

I will wait to fully chastise until I see what moves take place before ST actually takes place. Right now, I'm confused and losing faith.

[GNess]

Bundy at best will likely be a deep backend rotation type. Why add him now? Was he going to get scooped up the Dodgers or Yankees?

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

We are becoming a joke. 

Now what kind of ticker tape parade is that?  I ask you.

[ashbury]

58 minutes ago, GNess said:

Bundy at best will likely be a deep backend rotation type. Why add him now? Was he going to get scooped up the Dodgers or Yankees?

You've described the intended role of a bottom feeder team, to a tee.

It's not even as if the contract can't work out.  It can.  Bundy surely won't reach the heights, for the Twins, expected when he was younger.  But he may have a productive and successful season.

But this is the type of deal the Dodgers or Yankees are pleased to farm out.  If Bundy pans out but the 2022 Twins don't, they'll make a nice trade deadline offer.

For true contenders, the 40-man roster and the 26-man roster are the constraining factors.

For us farm teams, money is always the constraint, but there is room on the roster for low cost investments that possibly will pay off.

[RaoulDuke]

 

Bundy is fine as a reclamation project, cheap contract and they can retain him another year if he pitches well.  He fits the tweak the approach/ mechanics mold that Wes Johnson works well with.  Maybe he can find another 2-3mph and will surely start throwing the slider way more.  The Orioles and Angels are certainly not organizations known for developing or getting the most out of pitchers so maybe there really is still something to unlock for him.

Bundy/ Ober/ Ryan/ Dobnak is still short 2 (realistically 3) top of the rotation arms.  I assume they bring Pineda back there seemed to be mutual interest, then you still need 2 better pitchers than the rest of them.

1  ___________

2 Pineda?

3 Bundy

4 Ober

5 Ryan

6 Dobnak

That's a lot of back of the rotation guys until they mature or re-find themselves, and none should be penciled in for a full season's worth of innings.

[GoBlue48]

4 hours ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

This is a complete joke of a signing at this point of the offseason.  Career 46-67 with a 4.72 ERA and a 1.308 WHIP.  He would have easily been available a month or two from now.  Meanwhile, the Cubs just signed Marcus Stroman for what will for sure be a contract that the Twins could have matched.  Every top starter and reliever are already gone... JUST LIKE THE TWINS WANTED.  Now they don't have to spend the next month and a half acting as if they were seriously going to try to sign any of the Top 10 Free Agent Starters or Relievers.  

Once again the Twins made one signing for the fans because they had no choice and now they'll get right back to the dumpster diving we have all allowed ourselves to come accustomed to.  Get ready for some Top Flight names like Chris Archer, Adam Wainwright, Michael Fiers, Matt Harvey, Jon Lester, etc etc etc.  coming our way

 

And any of y'all thinking there are going to be any medium names brought in by a trade are high.  When has that EVER happened?  Part with a minimum wage minor league player for a $10M contract?  

OMG, another poor pitching year for Twins, very sad state, think small, be small.

2022 results:

Sox,Tigers,Guardians,Twins,Royals

[Richie the Rally Goat]

1 hour ago, GNess said:

Bundy at best will likely be a deep backend rotation type. Why add him now? Was he going to get scooped up the Dodgers or Yankees?

Because when the CBA expires the players will prolong the negotiation as long as they can. There won’t be much time to acquire more pitchers just days before (or after) opening day.

If they had a deal, they needed to get the paperwork done today.

[bean5302]

Lets hope the Twins are able to find some lost velocity or some lost skill.

[se7799]

2 hours ago, DocBauer said:

Not going to lie, I'm disappointed and basically PO'd at this point!

The market has been moving! There were SEVERAL solid, quality FA SP available without breaking the bank in any way. And the FO let them all pass. I laid out an option where the FO could have been "inventive" with Ray and front load his deal, including an opt out. And they could have done the exact same thing with Stroman, which the Cubs just did! Grrr! And I'm sorry, but I'd easily pick the Twins over the Cubs as being a legitimate playoff contender the next 2yrs. 

I am disappointed and unhappy, perplexed, and PO'd at this point.

BUT...in regard to Bundy exclusively, I will say I was intrigued to sign him as a #3 option instead of Pineda. He has pitched for nothing but bad, losing teams. He's had a strange career where he's generally been good about every other year. A couple years ago he was seen as a guy who needed to be "rescued" from Baltimore to reach his potential. And after a good 2020, now he's an also-ran. I think he's worth a cheap flier to be a solid #3, but I don't know that the #2 potential he has flashed, and many thought he could be, is viable at this point. It would take a major turnaround to be that guy many thought he could be a couple seasons ago.

MAYBE we get lucky. I don't think luck and hope is how you build a staff to compete in 2022.

So what now? We re-sign Pineda and make a trade of ML and milb talent to bring in a quality arm to front the rotation and hope for the best with a bullpen that has a chance to be good with a smart addition or two? Even with a good lineup, is that enough?

The more you trade away, the less you establish the "continuous competition" idea preached by the FO. I've never asked, and few of us ever have asked, that the Twins just blow up payroll. But I, and most of us I think, have just asked to just spend to an acceptable delta of payroll. 

The FO had a chance to just add a couple good arms on "decent"  terms to remain competitive while waiting for the number of arms in the system to reach their potential. 

So are we really NOT re,-tooling? Are we actually re-building for 2023 and beyond? Then just admit it. 

I've been an advocate for our FO in so many ways, but I'm confused and frustrated right now with their approach. There is too much talent on the ML roster right now, and too much coming up, to just "give up" for 2022. 

I will wait to fully chastise until I see what moves take place before ST actually takes place. Right now, I'm confused and losing faith.

Very well stated.  "PO'd sums up my feelings as well.  I don't understand not beating the offer from Stroman and or Ray.  Other than Rodon....who is left?  Bundy should be a flyer pick up, nothing more than a number 3.  Where the heck are we going to get our top  starters from?  Very frustrating is right.

[adorduan]

Don't worry, they will sign Kevin Correia before midnight....?

[Yawn Gardenhose]

[Snort] 

[KirbyDome89]

4 hours ago, RaoulDuke said:

The Orioles and Angels are certainly not organizations known for developing or getting the most out of pitchers so maybe there really is still something to unlock for him.

Unfortunately the Twins should also be included in that group.