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  On 11/29/2021 at 3:12 AM, nicksaviking said:

I would have at least liked to have heard the Twins linked to Gray. This AAV isn’t an issue for them.

Scherzer isn’t coming here, but we need to hear the Twins linked to Ray, Rodon and Stroman, even if I don’t actually want to pay Stroman.

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Having the Twins linked to a starter at 5+ years would be pretty shocking considering they weren't willing to get near the AAV and years for Berrios.

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  On 11/29/2021 at 5:11 PM, Mike Sixel said:

But sure, they just don't have any money anymore...... No one should fall for the owners crying poor, but they will because US sports fans....

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That's a different topic for a different thread, which you are welcome to start. But I don't want to drag down this transaction/news thread with this exploration that will take it off the rails. Thanks.

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  On 11/29/2021 at 9:54 PM, Vanimal46 said:

This would put a wrench in our idea to trade Jeffers or Garver for pitching. 

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The Pirates are trading a GG power hitting catcher for 3 players, all decent but none of them highly rated. The Twins could have traded 3 players to Pittsburgh for Stallings. Not saying they should have but Pittsburgh way underplayed their hand. A similar trade would have been Wallner, Hajjar, and Strotman ... for Stallings. Miami has really done well this offseason thus far.  That kills any trades with Miami. Oh well. No reason for Miami to look further when the Pirates are still around.

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  On 11/29/2021 at 9:54 PM, Vanimal46 said:
This would put a wrench in our idea to trade Jeffers or Garver for pitching. 
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Yeah, Miami ostensibly is looking for outfield help too (even after signing Avisaíl García) but it seems like the Twins' big advantage in a hypothetical trade might have been that they had depth to trade from at either position.

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  On 11/29/2021 at 10:15 PM, tony&rodney said:

The Pirates are trading a GG power hitting catcher for 3 players, all decent but none of them highly rated. The Twins could have traded 3 players to Pittsburgh for Stallings. Not saying they should have but Pittsburgh way underplayed their hand. A similar trade would have been Wallner, Hajjar, and Strotman ... for Stallings. Miami has really done well this offseason thus far.  That kills any trades with Miami. Oh well. No reason for Miami to look further when the Pirates are still around.

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Power hitting catcher? Stallings has a career ISO of .116, with a .123 last year -- league average for catchers last year was .163. His projected 2.5 WAR for 2022 is good, but Garver posted 2.1 WAR in just 61% of the PAs last year. (And even Jeffers projects for 1.9 WAR for 2022, prorated to the same number of PAs as Stallings.)

And the return isn't so bad for Pittsburgh either. Thompson is old but he's already had success as a MLB SP with a sneaky good debut in 2021 -- that may not continue in Pittsburgh, but the Twins don't really have anyone equivalent right now. Beyond that, Connor is a speedy CF almost 2 years younger than slugging RF Wallner -- they may have some similarity in draft position, current level, and prospect grade, but guys like Connor tend to be the more attractive trade targets.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 3:14 PM, Otto von Ballpark said:

Power hitting catcher?

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You are correct, my mistake. However, Miami clearly gets the better end of this trade. The two pitchers are back end starters or relievers. Some thought Dobnak might be good as recently as last Spring Training. He still might be fine. That is a fair comp to Thompson. Miami clearly is stacked with young pitchers.

I prefer Garver and Jeffers myself, although Stallings has a good glove. My wish for the Twins included adding good pitchers and although I like the Twins catchers I hoped to see a trade with Miami bringing back a high end pitcher like Cabrera and/or Meyer.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 3:25 PM, tony&rodney said:

You are correct, my mistake. However, Miami clearly gets the better end of this trade. The two pitchers are back end starters or relievers. Some thought Dobnak might be good as recently as last Spring Training. He still might be fine. That is a fair comp to Thompson. Miami clearly is stacked with young pitchers.

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I think it's a solid deal for Miami too, they should be ready to compete and they needed a catcher. Although to be fair to Pittsburgh, they are nowhere near ready to compete and may not really need Stallings.

Also, a lot of pitchers are likely future back-end starters or relievers. That doesn't mean every team will view them all as interchangeable. I don't think Dobnak and Strotman are doomed to forever repeat their difficult 2021 seasons, but it seems pretty clear they would be buy-low trade targets right now, rather than adding positive value to a deal like this.

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The Twins certainly burned though the goodwill they got for extending Buxton in record time.

So far it looks like there have been 24 free agents who have gotten deals of greater than 10M total this free agency. But only 12 teams have made those deals.

MLB is broken, this isn't how player re-distribution should work. 18 freakin' teams are more or less sitting on their hands, and for the most part, those are the teams that most need to improve their rosters.

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So even truly awful, glove-only back up catchers are getting 5M now, and Pittsburgh of all teams is cutting the check. 

Sorry Twins, looks like even the worst of the worst teams has acknowledged inflation is real and it's happening. Stop hiding in the bushes and come out and face the monster.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 4:03 PM, nicksaviking said:

So far it looks like there have been 24 free agents who have gotten deals of greater than 10M total this free agency. But only 12 teams have made those deals.

MLB is broken, this isn't how player re-distribution should work. 18 freakin' teams are more or less sitting on their hands, and for the most part, those are the teams that most need to improve their rosters.

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I feel like it is working, somewhat. Seems like the better teams are losing players, and the lesser teams are gaining players. Not every team, of course, but the free agent market is a fairly limited supply -- there may not be enough to spread them out even further.

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