Twins Catcher May Be Marlins Perfect Catch

[TheLeviathan]

I also don't think that larger package works.  But how close are we in a swap of:

Mitch Garver 

for

Max Meyer or Sixto Sanchez

Is that sort of one for one a viable path?  If so, I make that trade in a heartbeat.

[chpettit19]

12 hours ago, DJL44 said:

I don't think competing in 2022 is an achievable goal

Well then I'm glad you're not running the Twins.

[chpettit19]

4 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I also don't think that larger package works.  But how close are we in a swap of:

Mitch Garver 

for

Max Meyer or Sixto Sanchez

Is that sort of one for one a viable path?  If so, I make that trade in a heartbeat.

They're not trading Meyer. Him and Rogers are their 1-2 punch for the next 5 or 6 years. If Sixto's shoulder won't be the same they'd trade him for Garver, but the Twins don't want him if he's damaged goods. Garver for Sixto would get a conversation going I'd think. I think the Marlins are trying to be the Indians/Brewers, though. I don't think they're all that interested in trading any MLB pitching. I think they want them all and want to build a dominant pitching staff internally and worry about the offense after.

[TheLeviathan]

5 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

They're not trading Meyer. Him and Rogers are their 1-2 punch for the next 5 or 6 years. If Sixto's shoulder won't be the same they'd trade him for Garver, but the Twins don't want him if he's damaged goods. Garver for Sixto would get a conversation going I'd think. I think the Marlins are trying to be the Indians/Brewers, though. I don't think they're all that interested in trading any MLB pitching. I think they want them all and want to build a dominant pitching staff internally and worry about the offense after.

Makes sense, but I'd happily have the Garver/Sixto conversation.  That's what the Twins need to be looking for.

[lukeduke1980]

We were reminded again this year that catchers are always a foul ball to the seeds away from major surgery.  And of course you have an all time franchise icon who had to switch to first because of too many fouls to the grill.  Stand pat at catcher please, depth is only temporary. 

[Mike Sixel]

19 hours ago, bighat said:

Jeffers ended the season batting .198 - a healthy sample size, too. Are we sure he and Rortvedt are the answer for the Twins? What are the Twins going to do if they trade away the only catcher who can hit?

 

Not sure why we only look at BA these days.....he was top 15 in home runs among all catchers. .198 is not good, but the league isn't what it used to be for BA. He was rookie eligible, and was 34th among all catchers in fWAR. NOT GREAT, but not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. 

He's no Garver, though, and there is no way I trade Garver unless I'm blowing up the team.

[Major League Ready]

13 hours ago, DJL44 said:

I don't think competing in 2022 is an achievable goal

Compete or contend?  They were quite competitive the last couple months of the season.  

The next question does contending mean being close enough to have a shot at the AL central or wild card or does it mean being a team like the Astros or Rays that have a very good shot at going deep in the playoffs.  They have a decent shot at keeping it interesting.  Rebuilding to the point of dominance this off-season not so much.

Any decent team with good prospects can leverage the future to get better now.  Last year everyone praised the Padres for being aggressive.  They had an extremely deep farm system and they spent a great deal of future capital to get better quickly.  They traded away 10 prospects and spent $38M.  Where are they now?  They have one more year of Musgrove.  Snell just is not that good and Tampa knew it.  Darvish will turn 36 toward the end of next season and he was quite bad the last couple months of 2021. 

Should we really want them to push in their chips at this moment?  Can they put a good product on the field without leveraging the future?

[DJL44]

6 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Compete or contend?  They were quite competitive the last couple months of the season.  

1 game over .500 is not competitive. There are no 3rd place AL Central pennants.

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Compete or contend?  They were quite competitive the last couple months of the season.  

The next question does contending mean being close enough to have a shot at the AL central or wild card or does it mean being a team like the Astros or Rays that have a very good shot at going deep in the playoffs.  They have a decent shot at keeping it interesting.  Rebuilding to the point of dominance this off-season not so much.

Any decent team with good prospects can leverage the future to get better now.  Last year everyone praised the Padres for being aggressive.  They had an extremely deep farm system and they spent a great deal of future capital to get better quickly.  They traded away 10 prospects and spent $38M.  Where are they now?  They have one more year of Musgrove.  Snell just is not that good and Tampa knew it.  Darvish will turn 36 toward the end of next season and he was quite bad the last couple months of 2021. 

Should we really want them to push in their chips at this moment?  Can they put a good product on the field without leveraging the future?

The Padres collapse was about injuries and WTF? Not bad decisions. Also, playing in the hardest division in baseball. But mostly WTF? I'm not arguing the Twins blow things up, but they can't also be afraid to trade some prospects sometimes. Also, pretty sure you think they should sign one FA starting pitcher this year. So, I'm not really sure what you arguing, other than the extremes. Which most fans aren't asking for, imo. 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, DJL44 said:

1 game over .500 is not competitive. There are no 3rd place AL Central pennants.

It is very competitive. It isn't great, but it would have them in the conversation in July to be over .500. 

[DJL44]

8 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

It is very competitive. It isn't great, but it would have them in the conversation in July to be over .500. 

They should use that slogan to sell season tickets. "Come watch us in 2022. We should be in the conversation in July to be over .500!"

I wasn't kidding when I said they should just let Mike Veeck be the GM.

[Major League Ready]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

The Padres collapse was about injuries and WTF? Not bad decisions. Also, playing in the hardest division in baseball. But mostly WTF? I'm not arguing the Twins blow things up, but they can't also be afraid to trade some prospects sometimes. Also, pretty sure you think they should sign one FA starting pitcher this year. So, I'm not really sure what you arguing, other than the extremes. Which most fans aren't asking for, imo. 

I am arguing their strategies should be developed on likelihood of success as opposed to the need to be in place on opening day next year.  I significant percentage of the absolute clusters I have seen in client's organizations was a product of them insisting on something be in a specific timeframe.  What they ended up doing was making the situation worse.  Many fans have a very difficult time accepting any approach that is not focused on contending immediately.  

I would not be too quick to make any big moves until they figure out if they are going to get Buxton signed.  Then, can they get a top FA pitcher to come here.  I would not be trading any major pieces until these two things had some clarity.  The other point I was making is that a "Padres approach" can have significant cost for several years.  I do not agree the Padre's approach was all that great.  Snell is just not that good.  Musgrove played well but two years of control is a short window and anytime you trade for a pitcher as old as Darvish you are taking considerable risk.  They bet 10 prospects on this approach.  Right now that wisdom is very questionable.

[Ruven]

20 hours ago, DJL44 said:

I don't think competing in 2022 is an achievable goal

It can be done. Teams have gone from worst to first before. Teams in these parts, even. 

Say Ober and Ryan are in the rotation and give us what we saw plus a little. Then it’s sign a real starter, trade for one (Jeffers &/or Kepler &/or ?), develop one, and maybe find a few for when there are hiccups (Dobnak? Barnes?), and that’s a rotation.

Arraez-Buxton-Kirilloff outfield, Donaldson-SomeFA-Polanco-Sanó infield, Garver et al behind the plate with a DH by committee, and that’s plenty of offense.  

Critical need is a solid rotation and 90 wins are not out of reach. I mean, this team this year won 73 and Colomé blew about a dozen all by himself, with starts wasted on Happ, Shoemaker, Albers, Thorpe, et cetera.

It can be done. 

[Otaknam]

I didn’t see any pitching  options in a potential trade with Miami. Seems like that is an essential but missing  piece.

[TheLeviathan]

33 minutes ago, Otaknam said:

I didn’t see any pitching  options in a potential trade with Miami. Seems like that is an essential but missing  piece.

I'm confused why you don't see options?  SP is an area they have players they can move.  Good ones.  So...explain please?