2021 MLB Draft Day 2 Thread

[Seth Stohs]

  On 7/12/2021 at 5:31 PM, Mike Sixel said:

In reading the Fangraphs coverage, they make it clear teams are all over the board in their rankings. VERY different than football for sure.

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Sean Johnson kind of alluded to that last night, saying there may be even more variability in rankings from team-to-team this year because of the lost time last year. 

[Seth Stohs]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:16 PM, MN_ExPat said:

Interesting to see Chandler go to the Bucs at the start of round 3.  I have a feeling though that he will likely follow through with his commit to Clemson.

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They wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't have an agreement with him. 

[SteveLV]

Anyone have intel on Povich?

[Mike Sixel]

Goldstein: Don't know this kid. Big. Not much velo. This is what happens in round 3.....

[Mike Sixel]

Three pitchers and a SS......looks like run prevention is the theme this year.

[nicksaviking]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:29 PM, Seth Stohs said:

They wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't have an agreement with him. 

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The A's appeared to have an agreement with Kyler Murray.

Maybe they do have something worked out, but Pittsburgh had about a four year window where they looked like they knew what they were doing and could build a sustainable small market team, like the Rays and A's.

However, they've looked utterly lost and confused for most of the last half decade since that time and make mind boggling poor decisions. So I don't have a ton of faith they have a good handle on this situation.

[NapoleonComplex]

Kinda hoped we had a deal to pull Cody Schrier away from his UCLA commit. Add another SS from JSerra Catholic.

[MN_ExPat]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:29 PM, Seth Stohs said:

They wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't have an agreement with him. 

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I would bet even money that you are correct, but I had forgotten that he was also committed to play football for Clemson.  Not that Bucs couldn't pry him away, but my (exceptionally) uneducated feeling is that they would have to go a good bit over slot value to do so. ?‍♂️

[Brock Beauchamp]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:38 PM, nicksaviking said:

The A's appeared to have an agreement with Kyler Murray.

Maybe they do have something worked out, but Pittsburgh had about a four year window where they looked like they knew what they were doing and could build a sustainable small market team, like the Rays and A's.

However, they've looked utterly lost and confused for most of the last half decade since that time and make mind boggling poor decisions. So I don't have a ton of faith they have a good handle on this situation.

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It has been fascinating to me how quickly Pittsburgh elevated to "pitching gurus" and plunged to "hot mess" over the course of 3-4 years, tops.

[NapoleonComplex]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:38 PM, nicksaviking said:

The A's appeared to have an agreement with Kyler Murray.

Maybe they do have something worked out, but Pittsburgh had about a four year window where they looked like they knew what they were doing and could build a sustainable small market team, like the Rays and A's.

However, they've looked utterly lost and confused for most of the last half decade since that time and make mind boggling poor decisions. So I don't have a ton of faith they have a good handle on this situation.

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Twins appeared to have an agreement with Kyle Cody.

[nicksaviking]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:05 PM, nicksaviking said:

I thought the only universal truth in baseball was never draft a Big 10 pitcher.

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Ok, it was half a joke last time, (less than half) but two Big Ten pitchers? 

Seriously, I've been looking back, who is the last decent Big Ten pitcher to get drafted and stick as a starter? I'm back to 2006 in my search and haven't found anyone yet.

[Mike Sixel]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:40 PM, MN_ExPat said:

I would bet even money that you are correct, but I had forgotten that he was also committed to play football for Clemson.  Not that Bucs couldn't pry him away, but my (exceptionally) uneducated feeling is that they would have to go a good bit over slot value to do so. ?‍♂️

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I thought that too....but he's not a very highly ranked QB (no idea why he'd go to Clemson to sit for 2 years).....so, maybe? 

[Mike Sixel]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:44 PM, nicksaviking said:

Ok, it was half a joke last time, (less than half) but two Big Ten pitchers? 

Seriously, I've been looking back, who is the last decent Big Ten pitcher to get drafted and stick as a starter? I'm back to 2006 in my search and haven't found anyone yet.

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I still can never remember Nebraska is in the Big XXX. 

[Seth Stohs]

  On 7/12/2021 at 5:54 PM, 2wins87 said:

Hajjar at 61 seems to be fitting back into this regime's MO.  Good pitching frame, one good secondary already, the coaching staff probably think they could add some velocity and will need to refine a third pitch.

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I would guess every front office and scouting group ever likes these types of picks. There are so few elite prospects. I think getting these two fairly polished college lefties is a good thing. They took their high-upside risk with Petty and Miller... at this point, they have now taken two guys who have pretty high floors with health.

[MN_ExPat]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:45 PM, Mike Sixel said:

I thought that too....but he's not a very highly ranked QB (no idea why he'd go to Clemson to sit for 2 years).....so, maybe? 

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Well with Lawrence no longer there, maybe his chances were greater at playing time.  Hard to say though, but the kid is a heck of an athlete. 

[nicksaviking]

OK, I'm calling it a wrap on my research. Rich Hill in 2002 and JA Happ in 2004 are the only Big Ten pitchers drafted this century who stayed as a starter and amassed more than 2 WAR. 

[Seth Stohs]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:40 PM, MN_ExPat said:

I would bet even money that you are correct, but I had forgotten that he was also committed to play football for Clemson.  Not that Bucs couldn't pry him away, but my (exceptionally) uneducated feeling is that they would have to go a good bit over slot value to do so. ?‍♂️

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Oh, I'm sure he'll get $2.5 million or more. The Twins selected Enlow with that same pick (1st pick, third round) in 2017 and got him to not go to LSU for $2 million. They were able to do it because Lewis took quite a bit underslot at 1-1. My guess is Davis agreed to a low deal so that they could take Bubba Chandler.

[Rigby]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:44 PM, nicksaviking said:

Ok, it was half a joke last time, (less than half) but two Big Ten pitchers? 

Seriously, I've been looking back, who is the last decent Big Ten pitcher to get drafted and stick as a starter? I'm back to 2006 in my search and haven't found anyone yet.

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Scouting dept. couldn't get travel visas to SEC/ACC country.

[Brock Beauchamp]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:49 PM, nicksaviking said:

OK, I'm calling it a wrap on my research. Rich Hill in 2002 and JA Happ in 2004 are the only Big Ten pitchers drafted this century who stayed as a starter and amassed more than 2 WAR. 

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If that's true, we should be excited to see whats-his-face join the Twins sometime around the 2037-38 seasons.

[MN_ExPat]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:49 PM, nicksaviking said:

OK, I'm calling it a wrap on my research. Rich Hill in 2002 and JA Happ in 2004 are the only Big Ten pitchers drafted this century who stayed as a starter and amassed more than 2 WAR. 

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I applaud your dedication to this monumental task good Sir! Huzzah! Huzzah I say!!!

[TerwilligerBuntsOne]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:44 PM, nicksaviking said:

Ok, it was half a joke last time, (less than half) but two Big Ten pitchers? 

Seriously, I've been looking back, who is the last decent Big Ten pitcher to get drafted and stick as a starter? I'm back to 2006 in my search and haven't found anyone yet.

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You know the old saying -- the only thing better than drafting a pitcher from the Big 10 is drafting TWO pitchers from the Big 10, especially with back-to-back picks! Or something like that.....

[SteveLV]

Well, I am old enough to remember a pretty remarkable lefty drafted out of Michigan:  Jim Abbott.

Late 80's?

[nicksaviking]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:50 PM, Rigby said:

Scouting dept. couldn't get travel visas to SEC/ACC country.

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This is probably somewhat accurate. 

But if so, it really makes me wonder here in 2021, if scouts in the stands is still actually a significant advantage to video review.

[Rigby]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:59 PM, nicksaviking said:

This is probably somewhat accurate. 

But if so, it really makes me wonder here in 2021, if scouts in the stands is still actually a significant advantage to video review.

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I believe it is. Some others do not I suppose.

[MN_ExPat]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:58 PM, SteveLV said:

Well, I am old enough to remember a pretty remarkable lefty drafted out of Michigan:  Jim Abbott.

Late 80's?

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Ok, thanks with that one.  Way to go and remember the super feel good story about not only a Michigan pitcher succeeding, but making good on the biggest stage.

Thanks, now I feel like a total jerk... ?

[FLTwinsGuy]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:54 PM, TerwilligerBuntsOne said:

You know the old saying -- the only thing better than drafting a pitcher from the Big 10 is drafting TWO pitchers from the Big 10, especially with back-to-back picks! Or something like that.....

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Max Mayer might eventually have something to say

[MMMordabito]

There's one for the jersey stitcher.

[nicksaviking]

  On 7/12/2021 at 7:04 PM, FLTwinsGuy said:

Max Mayer might eventually have something to say

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Hopefully he's not saying it to Tyler Jay, Alex Wimmers and Matt Bashore while they're loading boxes at an Amzon fulfillment center.

[roger]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:49 PM, nicksaviking said:

OK, I'm calling it a wrap on my research. Rich Hill in 2002 and JA Happ in 2004 are the only Big Ten pitchers drafted this century who stayed as a starter and amassed more than 2 WAR. 

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Perkins was BIG 10, and that turned out good.  

[operation mindcrime]

  On 7/12/2021 at 6:35 PM, SteveLV said:

Anyone have intel on Povich?

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He has a show on the CW network! He regularly says "You're the father!" or "You aren't the father!"