Week in Review: Out of Their Depth

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10 hours ago, Seansy said:

I have no idea how you can berate the Pressly trade NOW after already seeing Alcala succeeding and with Celestino close to being MLB ready at AA. Alcala is really "nothing" to you but hope? We traded 1.5 years of Pressley on a non contending team in 2018 for 6-7 years of Celestino and Alcala. I'd do that trade again in a heartbeat.

I'd agree that it is easy to reload for 2022 by ditching Happ, Shoe, Colome, etc. but if you CANNOT reasonably extend Berrios or Buck by the trade deadline it makes sense to shop them around for difference making level prospects like Pache, Pearson, etc to see if you can do the Pressly trade AGAIN by trading 1.5 years of a player for 6-7 years of one or more other guys that can improve this team long term.

 

Please. This sport is about World Series Champions. I would have much rather kept Pressly for 2019 and the playoffs. Absolutely. Alcala is mediocre compared to what Pressly has dealt. And he could be TJ and out anyday. Yes. Still a hope. And Celestino and his bonehead defense and no offense. He has only contributed to losing at the big league level, and may always.  6-7 years is your hope. And those could be trash. I want a team to go for it. Now this "window is looking like 2 years... or 1 year and 2 months, and people calling for selling our best players for minor league stardom. Not a fan. At all.

[Aerodeliria]

I thought it was ironic that Shoemaker, who was pulled from the role of a starter because he couldn't get through two innings, was to come in for Ober so that Shoemaker could still assure the loss by pitching the final two innings instead of the first two...I was under the impression Shoemaker was pulled as starter because he wasn't good, so why would he be brought in during an even higher leverage situation? I have trouble processing that, sorry...

[cHawk]

15 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Very hard to keep the faith in an organization that has kept Matt Shoemaker on the roster over the past several weeks.

 

Maybe it’s blatant tanking, which, who knows, might be the best for this club.

[Dodecahedron]

21 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Gleeman has mentioned on their podcast the last couple of weeks if anyone would be willing to take on Sano’s contract he’d be gone. I tend to believe that, considering before everyone got hurt, he was demoted to a platoon role vs LH pitching. I like the idea of Kirilloff settling in at 1B for his controllable years. Having him and Larnach in the corners would be doing a disservice to the CF covering the rest of the OF. 

Is that Gleeman's opinion or is it based on something he knows?  I tend to think that Sano is a "risk," but there are teams out there who would feel they can get what they need to get out of him on a consistent basis, at least for a short period of time.  And right now, his remaining contract is short.

The Twins may not like what they would get back in a Sano trade, but that's very different from nobody wanting him.  He is not that expensive, and in the right environment he will do great things (though, yes, it may not last).

[Vanimal46]

8 minutes ago, Dodecahedron said:

Is that Gleeman's opinion or is it based on something he knows?  I tend to think that Sano is a "risk," but there are teams out there who would feel they can get what they need to get out of him on a consistent basis, at least for a short period of time.  And right now, his remaining contract is short.

The Twins may not like what they would get back in a Sano trade, but that's very different from nobody wanting him.  He is not that expensive, and in the right environment he will do great things (though, yes, it may not last).

With Sano, I tend to believe he has inside info. He’s mentioned that they would move on from him the last couple of podcasts. In regards to Donaldson, it sounded like speculation if they intend to do a bigger rebuild for 2023. 
 

You also touched on what they discussed. He’s not overly expensive. The issue is going to be what percentage of his remaining $20 million we would pick up to trade him for a decent prospect? I’m not sure it’s worth making the trade if the Twins have to cover 50+% of the remaining contract. Similar story for Donaldson.