5 Players the Twins Can Deal Before the Trade Deadline

[Dodecahedron]

7 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

Plus, teams that trade for depth are contending teams, which significantly reduces your trade partners.  Rebuilding or middle of the road teams aren't going to trade for any of those guys aside from maybe Sano.  He's the only impact player in that list.

Yeah, I think it's inevitable that Sano gets traded at some point, most likely in a midseason trade, after sucking for the first half.  Some contender will take that risk for sure.  Maybe this is the year.

[wsnydes]

18 minutes ago, Dodecahedron said:

Yeah, I think it's inevitable that Sano gets traded at some point, most likely in a midseason trade, after sucking for the first half.  Some contender will take that risk for sure.  Maybe this is the year.

Entirely possible.  Given the composition of the 40 man, he seems more likely to get traded than to ride out his contract.  Barring injury anyway.  

I wonder what the presence of Pujols on the market does to Sano's possible suitors.  

[bighat]

2 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?
 

 

Twins got Jhoan Duran in the Eduardo Escobar trade a couple years back. Hasn't done anything for the Twins yet, but he's predicted to start contributing shortly.

[bighat]

2 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?
 

 

Twins got Jhoan Duran in the Eduardo Escobar trade a couple years back. Hasn't done anything for the Twins yet, but he's predicted to start contributing shortly.

[bighat]

2 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?
 

Twins got Jhoan Duran in the Eduardo Escobar trade a couple years back. Hasn't done anything for the Twins yet, but he's predicted to start contributing shortly.

[bighat]

2 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?
 

Twins got Jhoan Duran in the Eduardo Escobar trade a couple years back. Hasn't done anything for the Twins yet, but he's predicted to start contributing shortly.

[twinbythebay]

3 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?

Just off the top of my head, I think trading Ryan Pressley for Jorge Alcalá and Gilberto Celestino in July 2018 could end up looking pretty good, assuming Alcalá continues to develop into a reliable late-innings reliever.

[Trov]

It is a little early to start looking to sell everything.  Our team can perform much better than they have.  So many teams have gone on long runs this year both winning and losing, it has been a crazy year in baseball for that.  We could go on a long winning streak or winning even 8 out of 10 type streaks to get back into it.  

That being said, if we do not start to turn around quickly, I would look to sell any piece that you can get a decent return on that you do not plan to bring back next year.  Buck and Berrios I would hold off until off-season to see if you can bring back, they both have a full year after this so teams will still look to take them in trades.  You will not lose a ton of value for waiting in my opinion.  

Pineda could fetch a nice return and Rodgers could bring back maybe a piece.  Cruz, he will have limited landing spots being he will only DH, but if you can get a prospect back and you are out of the hunt do it. 

[Dman]

It is way, way too early to talk or even really think about trading but I think those are all good trade candidates.  If they want good prospect value for Berrios or Buxton and they are out of it at the deadline that would be the best time to trade them.  If they are going to swallow hard and extend them then do it at that time as well.  They can also ride them out and try for draft pick comp but the value they get back is less and they have to wait longer for the talent they pick to mature.

Everyone on one year deals should be in play at the deadline.  I don't see them keeping Cruz after this year if he has a good year this year as we will be outbid when the DH comes to the National league next year.  So trade him and get some value if possible.  Same for Pineda if he keeps this up with last years numbers we will likely be outbid for his services.  Best to try and get something back instead of nothing at all.  At this point I don't know if it makes sense to trade Rogers or not as we don't have much for lefties behind him, but if the deal was right I could see them doing it.

Man what a difference a month makes.  This team looked pretty good on paper and now looks so bad it might need to trade some of its better players to try and get better next year.  Might be a mini rebuild coming as we transition to the wave 2 pitcher's and hitters in the minors right now.

[old nurse]

3 hours ago, bighat said:

Twins got Jhoan Duran in the Eduardo Escobar trade a couple years back. Hasn't done anything for the Twins yet, but he's predicted to start contributing shortly.

Twins got Escobar for Liriano

[old nurse]

6 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I can't think of a time the Twins ever got a good prospect by selling players at the trade deadline.  Does anyone have any examples?

If this is just about shedding salary, meh.  I don't care about how fat the owner's wallets are, I care about the team's ability to compete in the future, and yes that includes finishing out the year respectably.  I get it that when a team is doing poorly, for some people their minds automatically go into sell mode.  But what kind of player return would the Twins get?  I honestly can't remember a good return the Twins got in one of these trades, though I admit I don't keep track of how every player came to the club.

It just simply never happens where a team sheds 20% of their salary one year and adds that to the budget in the next year, so I admit I don't see the point unless a good player comes back to the team in the trade. 

Guardado for Mark Hamburger

Escobar for Liriano

Duran for Escobar. Marciel is still a prospect

Little for Garcia was useful

David Ortiz was a PTBNL deadline deal

Joe Mays for Roberto Kelly

Bobby Kielty brought back Stewart. He wasn’t a prospect but did have a couple of good years

[Brock Beauchamp]

12 hours ago, wsnydes said:

These are related.  He's on a trade list BECAUSE the FO didn't extend him.

He's also injured for multiple weeks (again), which is why the FO didn't extend him at the price he was likely asking.

This is a circular argument. I don't think anyone is in the wrong, Buxton just wasn't (and maybe isn't) ever going to be an extension candidate because one side will always weigh the risk more heavily (as they should) while the other will always weigh the reward more heavily (as they should).

I think too many look to allocate blame instead of looking at the nuance of a situation and realizing that both sides are operating logically and can't reach an agreeable solution together.

Ultimately, I think the only solution for Buxton is to go to free agency and see just how much someone will pay him despite the massive (and way above average) risk.

[howeda7]

Cruz, Pineda, Duffy, Rogers, Happ and Simmons are no-brainers if we're out of it in July.

Trading Berrios and/or Buxton is giving up on 2022, which there's no reason to do. I only trade them in July 2022 if next season also falls apart. I'd try to get Berrios signed to an extension though. Buxton is an impossible quandary.

[wsnydes]

21 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

He's also injured for multiple weeks (again), which is why the FO didn't extend him at the price he was likely asking.

This is a circular argument. I don't think anyone is in the wrong, Buxton just wasn't (and maybe isn't) ever going to be an extension candidate because one side will always weigh the risk more heavily (as they should) while the other will always weigh the reward more heavily (as they should).

I think too many look to allocate blame instead of looking at the nuance of a situation and realizing that both sides are operating logically and can't reach an agreeable solution together.

Ultimately, I think the only solution for Buxton is to go to free agency and see just how much someone will pay him despite the massive (and way above average) risk.

Agreed.  I mentioned in another post that I don't blame either party for the lack of extension, simply stating a fact.  He's on a trade list because he is not signed long term.  He wouldn't be if he were.  I don't think anyone is at fault, it's just a fact of the matter.

[mnfireman]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:19 AM, mnfireman said:

Remember 2006? Started 12-18 and Morneau basically put the team on his shoulders and they went 84-48 the rest of the way. One can dream I guess.

Doesn't look like its gonna happen . This team has no fire in its belly. Somebody (Donaldson or Cruz) should have held a players meeting by now. Errors, bad baserunning, not moving runners over, terrible relief pitching and a manager with seemingly no clue....

[h2oface]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:23 AM, Dodecahedron said:

Yeah, I think it's inevitable that Sano gets traded at some point, most likely in a midseason trade, after sucking for the first half.  Some contender will take that risk for sure.  Maybe this is the year.

I think it's inevitable that Sano gets released at some point, because nobody is gonna want to give him a shot except for MLB minimum.

[SomeGuy]

On 5/11/2021 at 7:08 AM, mikelink45 said:

Cruz gets traded only if we find we are totally out of it and we want to do him a favor - but where does he go?

Toronto would be a great fit for Cruz.

[jdoffing11]

I’d much rather trade Donaldson if it means being able to resign Berrios and/or Buxton. Not sure how many teams would be willing to take on his contract, though. But I’m also in the camp that any player on an expiring contract should be gone. Cruz is the only one I’d particularly want to resign anyways and he still might be willing to do it depending on how things go with where he gets traded.