More Proof that the Twins Just Don't Care or Aren't Trying Very Hard

[DaveW]

Then why do you keep coming back here? Somebody forcing you?

 

Those refreshing, avant-grade homophobe threads really are the stately paragons of robust discussion.

Sorry if me calling Torri hunter a homo phone hurt your delicate sensibilities or whatever.

[ThePuck]

Sorry if me calling Torri hunter a homo phone hurt your delicate sensibilities or whatever.

 

Not sure you quoted my post there, but again...whatever

[DaveW]

Then why do you keep coming back here? Somebody forcing you?

 

So these guys go out of their way to create a great site and you keep wishing for sites of old? Seems a bit disrespectful...but whatever

 

Oh the writing is top notch, it's the forum that has suffered. FWIW I don't fault anyone for trying to make a dollar online which is basically what happened, but it doesn't keep the guy that gave up a great forum immune from criticism because he did so.

[ThePuck]

Oh the writing is top notch, it's the forum that has suffered. FWIW I don't fault anyone for trying to make a dollar online which is basically what happened, but it doesn't keep the guy that gave up a great forum immune from criticism because he did so.

 

You issue seems to be with people being realistic and pissed about what's going on with the team right now...and expressing it.

[DaveW]

You issue seems to be with people being realistic and pissed about what's going on with the team right now...and expressing it.

My issue seems to be jackasses who say "the twins don't care anymore" because they didn't decide to sign a AAA/AAAA player to be their 7th catcher on the 40 man.

[ThePuck]

My issue seems to be jackasses who say "the twins don't care anymore" because they didn't decide to sign a AAA/AAAA player to be their 7th catcher on the 40 man.

 

Or people who say:

 

'The thing is that they're not even rebuilding, really. Why is Caroll still on this team? Why wasn't Willingham shopped aggressively? What about Perkins?

 

If you're going to blow it up, then blow it up properly. Don't ride the fence and expect fans to be okay with the decision. I'm fine with going one way or the other. I'm not okay with half-assing both sides and then asking for my money in ticket sales.'

 

What was your response to that? The poster joining the 'mouth-breathers'? He wrote something you didn't like, and you took a shot..slightly personal shot at him and others (those mouth-breathers) who have expressed the same frustration. Nothing wrong with what he wrote...his opinion, nothing more...but he took a shot at the people responsible for the direction of this team, so you jumped.

[Supfin99]

Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a MN sports fan and it has nothing to do with the quality of my favorite teams. The venom that gets spewed in these comment sections amaze, me. If the twins had went after every available free agent and signed Greinke, A Sanchez, S Drew, Kelly Johnson and michael Bournemouth would they have won? Was there anyway greinke signs here unless we pay him 30 mil a season? Do any of them Isign here unless we dramatically over pay? So what is the point? What is the difference in winning 66 game vs 78 other than a worse draft pick? These last 2 years have sucked but they are going to bring us Buxton, Barrios, hopefully Manea and most likely another stud in the 2014 draft. If it means having a roster full of studs I will suffer thru a few bad years every decade. i

[DaveW]

Or people who say:

 

'The thing is that they're not even rebuilding, really. Why is Caroll still on this team? Why wasn't Willingham shopped aggressively? What about Perkins?

 

If you're going to blow it up, then blow it up properly. Don't ride the fence and expect fans to be okay with the decision. I'm fine with going one way or the other. I'm not okay with half-assing both sides and then asking for my money in ticket sales.'

 

What was your response to that? The poster joining the 'mouth-breathers'? He wrote something you didn't like, and you took a shot..slightly personal shot at him and others (those mouth-breathers) who have expressed the same frustration. Nothing wrong with what he wrote...his opinion, nothing more...but he took a shot at the people responsible for the direction of this team, so you jumped.

I've known Brock for many years, it was a tongue in cheek "shot" at him if anything. Thanks for jumping from thread to thread to thread to point out one thing I said, it you would also noticed I mentioned (so did someone else) how criticisizing the Twins for not trading Carroll and Willingham (yet) wasn't really warranted, considering they had been shopping Willingham since last season as there have been at least a half dozen reports on such. What is the solution, trade Willingham for a #4 pitcher? What would people say then?

 

On another note however there are sadly a high number of mouth breathers on this site, look no further then the original poster of this gem of a thread.

[The Wise One]

Or people who say:

 

'The thing is that they're not even rebuilding, really. Why is Caroll still on this team? Why wasn't Willingham shopped aggressively? What about Perkins?

 

If you're going to blow it up, then blow it up properly. Don't ride the fence and expect fans to be okay with the decision. I'm fine with going one way or the other. I'm not okay with half-assing both sides and then asking for my money in ticket sales.'

 

What was your response to that? The poster joining the 'mouth-breathers'? He wrote something you didn't like, and you took a shot..slightly personal shot at him and others (those mouth-breathers) who have expressed the same frustration. Nothing wrong with what he wrote...his opinion, nothing more...but he took a shot at the people responsible for the direction of this team, so you jumped.

 

You can't even remember why Willingham and Caroll were added to the team? Hint, the brass thought that 2011 was an abberation. So what should they do with Caroll, just eat the salary? Some team is going to give you a great prospect. for him, right? (Sarcastic if you couldn't tell) Your line of thinking becomes more out there the longer this thread goes on. How is that for adding to the discussion?

[Guest USAFChief]

You can't even remember why Willingham and Caroll were added to the team? Hint, the brass thought that 2011 was an abberation. So what should they do with Caroll, just eat the salary? Some team is going to give you a great prospect. for him, right? (Sarcastic if you couldn't tell) Your line of thinking becomes more out there the longer this thread goes on. How is that for adding to the discussion?

For someone so wise, you sure have a knack for completely missing someone's point. ThePuck wasn't commenting about Willingham or Carroll. He was commenting about Dave's response to Pig.

[jokin]

I've known Brock for many years, it was a tongue in cheek "shot" at him if anything. Thanks for jumping from thread to thread to thread to point out one thing I said, it you would also noticed I mentioned (so did someone else) how criticisizing the Twins for not trading Carroll and Willingham (yet) wasn't really warranted, considering they had been shopping Willingham since last season as there have been at least a half dozen reports on such. What is the solution, trade Willingham for a #4 pitcher? What would people say then?

 

On another note however there are sadly a high number of mouth breathers on this site, look no further then the original poster of this gem of a thread.

 

Congratulations on remaining in continual and constant violation of Twins Dailly decorum and policy, which is icing on the cake and in addition to your constant mistatement of facts and continual inane, site debasing and frequently profane attack and rants that add nothing to the discussion. Well played, sir.

[The Wise One]

For someone so wise, you sure have a knack for completely missing someone's point. ThePuck wasn't commenting about Willingham or Carroll. He was commenting about Dave's response to Pig.

 

Hey Jokin, another one of the one line people who add nothing to the discussion. Think of the different posts Jokin has had on the subject of rebuilding. I plead guilty of attempinhg to bait Jokin a little. Instead I get the queen of snark.

[jokin]

My issue seems to be jackasses who say "the twins don't care anymore" because they didn't decide to sign a AAA/AAAA player to be their 7th catcher on the 40 man.

 

Of course, yet another complete mistatement of facts.

[jokin]

Caring? Are you saying that those of us with patience to wait out a rebuild don't care? I find the title of this thread insulting. I'm sure that there are those who would like the Twins to emulate the Marlins' date=' or other francises that microwave teams through signing multiple free agents. I think the Twins care about the final product. I remember the "Terrible Twins" headline in Sports Illustrated, back in 1983, when the Twins were rebuilding into a World Series Champion. I remember the 90's when the Twins traded Knoblauch and eventually build a team that competed through the 2000's. Do you remember this? This organization cares. They are taking the right steps to rebuild, and the addition of Terry Steinbach, [b']and the retention of Butera are signs that the organization cares about catching[/b]. I agree with others. This is a silly post. If you wanted a reaction, you got it.

 

I was with you until I reached the boldface type...

 

I've been for "rebuild" or "compete now" for quite some time, the Twins are playing a middle ground that has virtually never played out well... and they are demonstrating in real time why it doesn't/

[Guest USAFChief]

Hey Jokin, another one of the one line people who add nothing to the discussion. Think of the different posts Jokin has had on the subject of rebuilding. I plead guilty of attempinhg to bait Jokin a little. Instead I get the queen of snark.

Another swing and miss. You're down 0-2 in the count. Shorten up and punch one to right.

[old nurse]

I was with you until I reached the boldface type...

 

I've been for "rebuild" or "compete now" for quite some time, the Twins are playing a middle ground that has virtually never played out well... and they are demonstrating in real time why it doesn't/

So adding a AAA catcher is rebuilding or compete now sort of move?

[old nurse]

Another swing and miss. You're down 0-2 in the count. Shorten up and punch one to right.

Wise Guy did not miss on the assessment of you. More scintillating reading courtesy of the two of you.

[glunn]

My brothers, I just started a poll to see how many of would be willing to commit to laying off the personal attacks for a while.

 

I love all of you. We are fellow Twins fans for God's sake. Please at least consider that we might all have more fun if we could argue passionately, but as brothers not feuders.

[drjim]

People have a lot more courage on anonymous message boards.

[ThePuck]

You can't even remember why Willingham and Caroll were added to the team? Hint, the brass thought that 2011 was an abberation. So what should they do with Caroll, just eat the salary? Some team is going to give you a great prospect. for him, right? (Sarcastic if you couldn't tell) Your line of thinking becomes more out there the longer this thread goes on. How is that for adding to the discussion?

 

'Your line of thinking becomes more out there the longer this thread goes on. How is that for adding to the discussion?'

 

Wasn't MY line of thinking...why don't you read the post again...notice I started with: Or people say:. Notice after that, I put the statement in quotes? Notice in paragraph 3 I wrote, 'HE wrote something you didn't like,' That 'something' being what you're attributing to me. If that wasn't obvious that it wasn't me saying all that, and it should have been, Dave's followup should have made it even clearer.

 

As far as your argument goes though...yeah they got Willingham, Doumit and Carroll, and saved some money...but they lost Nathan, Cuddy and Kubel...and did nothing with the saved money. Let's not act as if they added onto the 2011 team without losing some key players....

[Brock Beauchamp]

Everyone, tone it down or this thread gets locked and we start handing out temporary bans.

[Squirrel]

Everyone, tone it down or this thread gets locked and we start handing out temporary bans.

 

IMHO, this thread should've gotten locked from the start. The title alone only begs the response it got. It didn't take much to know how things were going to 'evolve' in here. I rarely comment on this site, but I read most everything, and maybe I should have just stayed away from this thread as I knew how it would be. But even in a bad thread, occasionally is something good to get from it. Not the case in here. This is more frustrating than the current shape of the Twins.

[Brock Beauchamp]

IMHO, this thread should've gotten locked from the start. The title alone only begs the response it got. It didn't take much to know how things were going to 'evolve' in here. I rarely comment on this site, but I read most everything, and maybe I should have just stayed away from this thread as I knew how it would be. But even in a bad thread, occasionally is something good to get from it. Not the case in here. This is more frustrating than the current shape of the Twins.

 

I didn't read through the thread until this morning. Ugh. I should have clicked in a few days ago.

[snepp]

I didn't read through the thread until this morning. Ugh. I should have clicked in a few days ago.

 

So in other words, you just didn't care or weren't trying very hard?

[Brock Beauchamp]

So in other words, you just didn't care or weren't trying very hard?

 

Both?

[snepp]

Both?

 

Well there it is, proof.

 

 

 

[PseudoSABR]

Everyone, tone it down or this thread gets locked and we start handing out temporary bans.

Ohh, is that like a merit badge? I want one.

[jokin]

So adding a AAA catcher is rebuilding or compete now sort of move?

 

JR Towles, who has a AAA career .770 OPS, was brought in last year to provide a little Spring Training competition amongst the back-end catchers, and ultimately providing depth at AAA. Obviously, it didn't work out as well as the Twins FO had hoped, but at least they tried to make a move last year to make the team better in this area. If you read the thread, I pointed out that having a catcher that might potentially provide more than Butera's lifetime OPS of .497, just might make the Twins more amenable to moving Doumit if a favorable trade opportunity came along. Hermann appears to need a year at AAA and it costs virtually nothing to bring in a Towles or Martinez-type and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle over the interim, and if by some chance it works out, you potentially get a guy 2 years younger than Butera, who has a fighting chance of being better than Butera.

[old nurse]

JR Towles, who has a AAA career .770 OPS, was brought in last year to provide a little Spring Training competition amongst the back-end catchers, and ultimately providing depth at AAA. Obviously, it didn't work out as well as the Twins FO had hoped, but at least they tried to make a move last year to make the team better in this area. If you read the thread, I pointed out that having a catcher that might potentially provide more than Butera's lifetime OPS of .497, just might make the Twins more amenable to moving Doumit if a favorable trade opportunity came along. Hermann appears to need a year at AAA and it costs virtually nothing to bring in a Towles or Martinez-type and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle over the interim, and if by some chance it works out, you potentially get a guy 2 years younger than Butera, who has a fighting chance of being better than Butera.

You would need by your scenario then for Martinez to replace Doumit, not Butera. To think that is possible is a stretch of the imagination. In 2 stretches in the majors nor 5 years in the minors there would be nothing there showing power. Martinez lifetime ops in 32 major league games is .536. Career major and minor league home runs, 5

[jokin]

You would need by your scenario then for Martinez to replace Doumit, not Butera. To think that is possible is a stretch of the imagination. In 2 stretches in the majors nor 5 years in the minors there would be nothing there showing power. Martinez lifetime ops in 32 major league games is .536. Career major and minor league home runs, 5

 

No. You read my scenario wrong, Doumit was always a part of my original hypothesis. Eventually, to reiterate, the Twins will have to return to a 2-catcher configuration. If Doumit becomes attractive to another team this year in ST or before the deadline, they need someone that hits better than Butera to be the #2. The number 3 becomes (already is?) superfluous. (Hopefully, #2 eventually becomes Hermann, but there is little evidence that he would be ready for that pure #2 role before 2014). Your quote on Martinez ML OPS is classic SSS. Besides that, go and read my original post, it was more intent on Twins inertia than the player in question himself. My statement clearly says signing "someone like Martinez", who at least has demonstrated that he at least "might" hit better than Butera's career .497 OPS. That the Twins are satisfied with this crazy 3-catcher scenario and unnecessary love affair with Butera and his raise to $700K, with an already incredibly weak bench, is another sign that the Twins need to try harder and expect more