Snell to the Padres?

[Seth Stohs]

It appears that the Rays are trading LHP Blake Snell to the Padres for four players...

 

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1343411664251719682 

[tvagle]

Twins equivalent something like:

 

Balazovic - Patino

Jeffers - Mejia

Enlow - Wilcox

Canterino - No young catcher so pay the pitching price

 

In this guys opinion, that'd be an overpay, unfortunately, SD just set the market for SP trades pretty high

[baul0010]

I would have paid that!  Unless there's a reason snell only goes 5 innings per start.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Baseball would be so much better if Tampa didn't have to operate within the confines they operate.

[Chachi]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 4:19 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

Baseball would be so much better if Tampa didn't have to operate within the confines they operate.

I think I understand what you are saying - but they are quite effective at operating in the world they live in.  I can't say for sure they would remain as good at or committed to their development machine if given different resources.  This trade restocks and augments their 'next wave' we'll be admiring soon. 

 

Let's say they sign Snell to a massive contract and he flops for whatever reason - the odds are they then face the same difficult reality of the MLB middle-class revenue teams that suffer the noose of a massive and non-productive investment and don't have the +4 prospects they just acquired to fall back on.  Would that make baseball so much better?

[T_J]

I think the comps above are off. The Twins have the assets to have made this trade easily and they sat on their hands.

[Vanimal46]

  On 12/28/2020 at 5:19 PM, T_J said:

I think the comps above are off. The Twins have the assets to have made this trade easily and they sat on their hands.

Not the assets the Rays wanted, obviously. The headliner for the Rays return is a top 20 starting pitcher prospect. The Twins don’t have that.

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 7:01 PM, Vanimal46 said:

Not the assets the Rays wanted, obviously. The headliner for the Rays return is a top 20 starting pitcher prospect. The Twins don’t have that.

 

I thought the plan was to draft hitting, and trade for pitching.......are you suggesting that doesn't always work?

[AceWrigley]

One less "Ace" picher we have to face.

[AceWrigley]

So now the Padres have also signed Ha-Seong Kim; it's not going to leave anybody for the Bluejays.

[Danchat]

They’re now closing in on a trade for Darvish, reports say. Preller is a madman, and on paper this is an insanely good rotation. They’re doing all they can to keep up with LA.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 4:34 PM, Chachi said:

I think I understand what you are saying - but they are quite effective at operating in the world they live in.  I can't say for sure they would remain as good at or committed to their development machine if given different resources.  This trade restocks and augments their 'next wave' we'll be admiring soon. 

 

Let's say they sign Snell to a massive contract and he flops for whatever reason - the odds are they then face the same difficult reality of the MLB middle-class revenue teams that suffer the noose of a massive and non-productive investment and don't have the +4 prospects they just acquired to fall back on.  Would that make baseball so much better?

I'm sure the Rays would rather keep *some* of their players instead of needing to trade every single one to keep a bottom-of-the-barrel payroll. 

 

And imagine how could they could be, given their predictive performance acumen, if they could keep the players they want to keep.

[Nine of twelve]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 11:17 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

I'm sure the Rays would rather keep *some* of their players instead of needing to trade every single one to keep a bottom-of-the-barrel payroll. 

 

And imagine how could they could be, given their predictive performance acumen, if they could keep the players they want to keep.

To me the solution to the problem is to change revenue sharing to require the high-revenue teams to share more of their revenue with low-revenue teams, but that's a whole different thread.

[AceWrigley]

Padres acquire the whirling Darvish for half their minor league system. In other news, Padres GM A.J. Preller has offered Petco Park to the country of India for the Taj Mahal. When asked if having to play games in the Taj Mahal might prove to be a logistic impossibility, Preller responded with, "C'mon man, it's the Taj Mahal."

[Vanimal46]

  On 12/29/2020 at 2:48 AM, AceWrigley said:

Padres acquire the whirling Darvish for half their minor league system. In other news, Padres GM A.J. Preller has offered Petco Park to the country of India for the Taj Mahal. When asked if having to play games in the Taj Mahal might prove to be a logistic impossibility, Preller responded with, "C'mon man, it's the Taj Mahal."

A mid rotation starter in the last year of his deal and 4 teenage lottery tickets is “half their minor league system”??

 

It was a salary dump for the Cubs. A pretty embarrassing salary dump from an iconic baseball brand. This is a bad look for MLB.

[AceWrigley]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 4:48 AM, Vanimal46 said:

A mid rotation starter in the last year of his deal and 4 teenage lottery tickets is “half their minor league system”??

You must have missed the sarcasm font.

[Mike Sixel]

  On 12/29/2020 at 2:48 AM, AceWrigley said:

Padres acquire the whirling Darvish for half their minor league system. In other news, Padres GM A.J. Preller has offered Petco Park to the country of India for the Taj Mahal. When asked if having to play games in the Taj Mahal might prove to be a logistic impossibility, Preller responded with, "C'mon man, it's the Taj Mahal."

They still have six of their seven top prospects, all of whom will likely be in the top 100....

[Doctor Gast]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 6:47 AM, tvagle said:

Twins equivalent something like:

 

Balazovic - Patino

Jeffers - Mejia

Enlow - Wilcox

Canterino - No young catcher so pay the pitching price

 

In this guys opinion, that'd be an overpay, unfortunately, SD just set the market for SP trades pretty high

TB got the best end of the deal but I was expecting even more lopsided trade.

You over shot the value a little on each Twins prospect which all together you under valued the Padres prospects by quite a bit. 

The Twin package you presented is a fair offer for Snell which means TB wouldn't take. I wouldn't trade these prospect of ours for Snell because I believe Snell's over valued & I'd hate to give up our promising future for him.

[old nurse]

 

  On 12/28/2020 at 11:17 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

I'm sure the Rays would rather keep *some* of their players instead of needing to trade every single one to keep a bottom-of-the-barrel payroll. 

 

And imagine how could they could be, given their predictive performance acumen, if they could keep the players they want to keep.

It is better to have moved on a player too soon than too late. The trade trees would lead me to think that the only bad trade they made was the Shields and Davis trade

[old nurse]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 4:52 AM, AceWrigley said:

You must have missed the sarcasm font.

You have to remember that people have met others along the way and know them better. They may have sounded just like your post

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 12:02 PM, old nurse said:

It is better to have moved on a player too soon than too late. The trade trees would lead me to think that the only bad trade they made was the Shields and Davis trade

It's not about trading a player too early or too late, it's about how it looks that a team that made the World Series just traded their starting pitcher who started the final game of the season because they can't afford to compete straight-up in 2021.

 

That's an awful look for baseball and organizations, either willingly or not, pushing the envelope of "efficiency" to the detriment of immediate competition in the coming season is not good for the sport.

 

One of the two World Series teams is worse than they were 24 hours ago because they can't afford to pay one of their best players a modest salary in the coming season. This is not the kind of baseball I want to watch every year.

[AceWrigley]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 3:39 PM, old nurse said:

You have to remember that people have met others along the way and know them better. They may have sounded just like your post

It's all good. Just trying to inject some humor as the Padres suck up a lot of the quality pitching resources.

[old nurse]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 5:12 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

It's not about trading a player too early or too late, it's about how it looks that a team that made the World Series just traded their starting pitcher who started the final game of the season because they can't afford to compete straight-up in 2021.

 

That's an awful look for baseball and organizations, either willingly or not, pushing the envelope of "efficiency" to the detriment of immediate competition in the coming season is not good for the sport.

 

One of the two World Series teams is worse than they were 24 hours ago because they can't afford to pay one of their best players a modest salary in the coming season. This is not the kind of baseball I want to watch every year.

A game six starter renders the last game of the season argument moot. They lined up Morton for that scenario

It was not a fire sale, Tampa got a [potential front line starter, a high ceiling catcher, a high ceiling two pitch pitcher and a thus far failed prospect. That is not a sale. 

Tampa selected a site with poor access for their stadium. Their lack of revenue is their doing, not the fault of baseball as a whole.

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 11:22 PM, old nurse said:

A game six starter renders the last game of the season argument moot. They lined up Morton for that scenario

It was not a fire sale, Tampa got a [potential front line starter, a high ceiling catcher, a high ceiling two pitch pitcher and a thus far failed prospect. That is not a sale. 

Tampa selected a site with poor access for their stadium. Their lack of revenue is their doing, not the fault of baseball as a whole.

 

I think Brock's point is....they do this all the time. Fans identify with players, not just jerseys, and that is impossible with the Rays. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 11:25 PM, Mike Sixel said:

I think Brock's point is....they do this all the time. Fans identify with players, not just jerseys, and that is impossible with the Rays. 

Or the A's. Or the Pirates. The massive inequity in baseball is bad for the sport as a whole, as it turns MLB into a regional entity, not the nationwide entity it needs to be to thrive. We've seen this happening for decades now as the payroll gap grows.

 

In 1990, the Royals (!!!!!) had the highest payroll in baseball at $23.8m. The lowest payroll was the White Sox (???) at $8.5m.

 

The lowest payroll team had a payroll of 40% of the highest payroll team. The median team had a payroll of 67% of the highest payroll team.

 

In 2019, the Red Sox had the highest payroll in baseball at $222.2m. The lowest payroll was the Rays at $60.4m.

 

The lowest payroll team had a payroll of 27% of the highest payroll team. The median team had a payroll of 56% of the highest payroll team.

[tony&rodney]

The NFL became what it is because of revenue sharing. Each team could draft and coach their way to the playoffs. The payrolls across the teams are relatively balanced and every team makes bank every year.

Baseball has made money in some areas but declined in spots as well. The ability of the Yankees or Dodgers and a few other teams to simply outspend their competitors is accepted, despite the obvious fact that the competitions would not be possible without the participation of all of the parts. A league of the top ten spenders would hold little widespread interest nationally. On the other hand, markets like St.Louis and San Diego can spend at or slightly above the median while similar markets much less. 

Suffice it to say that MLB has been unable to advance its product to near the level of the talent displayed on the field. The sanctity of the owners would likely be news to the actual owners who are just following their advisors's voice. 

Snell goes to the Padres in an aggressive move to compete immediately from Day 1. They follow it with a gamble in just dollars with their addition of Darvish. 

Looking forward to a great summer of baseball.

[old nurse]

 

  On 12/30/2020 at 12:08 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

Or the A's. Or the Pirates. The massive inequity in baseball is bad for the sport as a whole, as it turns MLB into a regional entity, not the nationwide entity it needs to be to thrive. We've seen this happening for decades now as the payroll gap grows.

 

In 1990, the Royals (!!!!!) had the highest payroll in baseball at $23.8m. The lowest payroll was the White Sox (???) at $8.5m.

 

The lowest payroll team had a payroll of 40% of the highest payroll team. The median team had a payroll of 67% of the highest payroll team.

 

In 2019, the Red Sox had the highest payroll in baseball at $222.2m. The lowest payroll was the Rays at $60.4m.

 

The lowest payroll team had a payroll of 27% of the highest payroll team. The median team had a payroll of 56% of the highest payroll team.

When the Cubs were bad they were still a well attended team. The Cardinals send players away regularly, yet they draw .  Players draw fans you say. Twins attendance dropped like a rock in spite of Pucket after 1992.   Look at the history of Pittsburg. Getting to the wild card drew fans. Way back when the were we are family they were one of the top drawing teams. The Oakland team has been playing in a dump for how many years? That is the fault of the rest of baseball? Revenue sharing is there.  Statistica  says that the Rays in 2019 had over 260 million in revenue. Forbes will tell you the same thing and that they made 68 million. Tampa is not poor

[biggentleben]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 4:48 AM, Vanimal46 said:

A mid rotation starter in the last year of his deal and 4 teenage lottery tickets is “half their minor league system”??

It was a salary dump for the Cubs. A pretty embarrassing salary dump from an iconic baseball brand. This is a bad look for MLB.

Because YOU don't know the players doesn't mean they aren't excellent players. Dealing with the age and contract factor attached to Darvish, the Cubs got a very attractive package. Frankly, in raw talent, it's more than I'd have paid if I were GM.

[old nurse]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 11:25 PM, Mike Sixel said:

I think Brock's point is....they do this all the time. Fans identify with players, not just jerseys, and that is impossible with the Rays. 

They came out in handfuls for Pucket after 1992, not droves. Outside of Kershaw how many Dodgers have been there over 6 years. They did not keep Turner nor Peterson. I doubt that if they could have fans that there would not be people staying away because those two are now gone. 

[biggentleben]

 

  On 12/29/2020 at 12:02 PM, old nurse said:

It is better to have moved on a player too soon than too late. The trade trees would lead me to think that the only bad trade they made was the Shields and Davis trade

The Pham/Cronenworth deal is already a loss, unless Xavier Edwards somehow becomes a HOF player.