Drew Butera and Twins agree to 700K deal. A little more than I thought...

He is a waste of space , plain and simple....

Dangit, I really want the payroll higher, and was hoping he got millions..../s

Fair deal... could argue he maybe should be at $650,000, but at the end of the day, what's $50,000. More and More, I'm completely on board with him being around in 2014, until Chris Herrmann is ready to be the backup catcher.

I wanted to read the transcript where both sides entered their reasoning for a low figure or a high figure.

Drew Butera and Twins agree to 700K deal. A little more than I thought...

 

Just so we're all on the same page..this is what Butera is paying to be on the roster, right?

Fair deal... could argue he maybe should be at $650,000, but at the end of the day, what's $50,000. More and More, I'm completely on board with him being around in 2014, until Chris Herrmann is ready to be the backup catcher.

50,000 is what it would have cost to sign Lara in the rule 5 draft, which would you prefer on the team?

One weakness i see is from the left side of the pen, Duensing (if he isnt starting) or Robertson .Seems a little weak to me

50,000 is what it would have cost to sign Lara in the rule 5 draft, which would you prefer on the team?

One weakness i see is from the left side of the pen, Duensing (if he isnt starting) or Robertson .Seems a little weak to me

 

That horse has been beaten so hard, there's only remnants of hair left Johnny :-)

This would tell us they intend to carry 3 catchers again. How many teams do this?

This would tell us they intend to carry 3 catchers again. How many teams do this?

 

Hey, if Doumit and Mauer are both in the lineup (one at DH and one a catcher), and the one catching gets hurt, we'd have to move the one DHing to catcher, forcing the pitcher hit to hit a whole 2, 3 times for one whole game before another catcher got recalled. Could be the difference between a playoff spot and missing the playoffs :-)

Edited January 17, 201313 yr by ThePuck

This would tell us they intend to carry 3 catchers again. How many teams do this?

 

Doesn't everybody?

What is the penalty for losing an arbitration hearing with the worst hitter in baseball for the last 50 years?? My guess is that what drives a front office to offer up $700K to Drew Butera.

Fair deal... could argue he maybe should be at $650,000, but at the end of the day, what's $50,000. More and More, I'm completely on board with him being around in 2014, until Chris Herrmann is ready to be the backup catcher.

 

More than the average person makes in a year . . .

Hey, if Doumit and Mauer are both in the lineup (one at DH and one a catcher), and the one catching gets hurt, we'd have to move the one DHing to catcher, forcing the pitcher hit to hit a whole 2, 3 times for one whole game before another catcher got recalled. Could be the difference between a playoff spot and missing the playoffs :-)

 

This argument (by the Twins, not ThePuck's) is such complete garbage. We waste a roster spot guarding against such a remote possibility, which would only likely hurt us for half a game anyway.

 

This just popped into my head, though I can't imagine the Twins letting it make any difference with Butera. With the new schedule, AL pitchers are going to be hitting at "random" times throughout the year now, as opposed to only during little blocks of time when the interleague games were scheduled. So are they going to have their pitchers practicing their hitting a little more regularly throughout the season, such that they'd theoretically be a little more prepared if this situation actually managed to come about?

Fair deal... could argue he maybe should be at $650,000, but at the end of the day, what's $50,000. More and More, I'm completely on board with him being around in 2014, until Chris Herrmann is ready to be the backup catcher.

 

Who would Hermann be backing up in 2014? Mauer and Doumit?

 

Hermann ought to be ready to be a 3rd string catcher and sit on the bench all the time like Butera does.

While Doumit is listed as catcher and can play the position, he is a DH and is more the emergency Catcher instead of a back up catcher.

While Doumit is listed as catcher and can play the position, he is a DH and is more the emergency Catcher instead of a back up catcher.

 

Doumit started 59 games at catcher last season, Butera started 41. That would indicate to me that the emergency catcher is Butera.

Butera should get paid more than that for all the work he gets in.

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Red Sox and Mike Napoli have reached an agreement on a one-year, $5 million contract.

 

Financial details are provided by CBS Sports' Jon Heyman. The Red Sox originally signed Napoli to a three-year, $39 million contract earlier in the offseason, but talks hit a snag after an issue with one of his hips was reportedly found during a pre-signing physical. The injury is not expected to keep him from being ready for Opening Day, so it's surprising that Napoli wasn't able to do better in free agency. He'll now look to re-establish his value on a new, one-year deal. If healthy, Napoli should remain a decent fantasy option throughout 2013 as Boston's everyday first baseman.

This argument (by the Twins, not ThePuck's) is such complete garbage. We waste a roster spot guarding against such a remote possibility, which would only likely hurt us for half a game anyway.

 

Some people wear tin foil hats to protect against cosmic catastrophe which happens at about the same rate! You can buy a lot of tin foil hats for 700K.

Could care less about essentially our 3rd catcher....but I'm sure that won't stop the bitch fest that's about to unfold..commence fellas!

Butera should get paid more than that for all the work he gets in.

 

Looks like a joke that you forgot to add the punchline to.

 

I'll start another one for you to finish: "So a clueless manager, a pitch-to-contact pitcher, and a sub-Mendoza catcher walk into a bar..."

Could care less about essentially our 3rd catcher....but I'm sure that won't stop the bitch fest that's about to unfold..commence fellas!

 

You're kinda missing the point, which is that most teams that know it's not 1985 DON'T HAVE three catchers.

 

And if they did, they probably wouldn't also have 12 or 13 pitchers and a dead roster spot half the season for a player who's unanavailable to play but not on the DL.

 

By my count that makes either three, two or even just one spot on the bench for a backup who's not a catcher. Let your imagination run wild with the late-inning substitution possibilities!

Edited January 17, 201313 yr by LaBombo

we'll continue to carry three catchers as long as we have two catchers who carry bats potent enough to want in the lineup together as much as possible by slotting them at DH or 1B or wherever Gardy's crystal ball says they should play if they aren't playing catcher. It's an issue created by having two catchers who can also hit very well.

 

It's still not a reason to carry three catchers, cause at worse, one happens to be at DH when the other is hurt catching and we have the pitcher bat a whole 2, 3 times in that game before another catcher can be recalled for the next game.

 

 

If Doumit wasn't on the team, or was just the DH, and Butera (or someone like him offensively) was the #2 catcher, we'd only need two catchers.

In former Twins news...

 

Matt Garza and the Cubs agreed on a 1 year, $10.25M contract, avoiding arbitration.

Jose Mijares and the Giants agreed to a 1 year, $1.8M contract, avoiding arbitration.

Carlos Gomez and the Brewers agreed to a 1 year, $4.3M contract, avoiding arbitration... So... if you think Butera is overpaid for only be a good defensive player, see this arbitration deal!

Gomez nearly slugged as high as Butera's OPS, stole 40 bases, and posted a ~3 WAR season.

 

 

There's no excusing Butera's place on a major league roster, while Gomez had a quality season and is being rewarded for it.

Yup, the speedy Carlos Gomez finally got over an OBP in the .300s...just barely, but he did it....only took him 5 seasons

The Brewers have squeezed something like 8-10 wins out of Gomez and Morgan the past two years.

 

Speaking of which, Morgan is still available. In the event that Hicks isn't ready, what does Mastro-Morgan platoon do for you?

Hey, if Doumit and Mauer are both in the lineup (one at DH and one a catcher), and the one catching gets hurt, we'd have to move the one DHing to catcher, forcing the pitcher hit to hit a whole 2, 3 times for one whole game before another catcher got recalled. Could be the difference between a playoff spot and missing the playoffs :-)

Wouldn't forcing a pitcher to hit be about the same as forcing Butera to hit?

Wouldn't forcing a pitcher to hit be about the same as forcing Butera to hit?

 

Pretty much :-)