Article: Ben Revere Traded to Philly for RHP Vance Worley & Top Pitching Prospect

[Riverbrian]

I was with you on this one Riverbrian. I hate to lose Revere but it's no surprise to me the Twins got more for Revere than they did for Span

 

It's really strange... I can't describe it... I'm pumped about two decent arms coming to us... And floored at.the reality of the loss of my favorite Twin.

 

You'll be fine once you see Worley get us out of the 2nd inning in his first start RB.

 

If you liked Revere, there's this Hicks kid in the pipeline who does all the same stuff, plus a throwing arm, plus the ability to draw walks, plus some pop.

 

I'll be alright... I've been looking at the Pitching Staff in the majors, AAA and AA and flat out concerned. I'm still concerned but the addition of Meyer... Worley and May is needed and I feel better today. In October the pitching staff was about as bad as I could ever imagine at the upper levels. December 6th... I have reason for hope... The rest is patience and I have that,

 

As for Hicks... I've been waiting for him... I like what I read and looking forward to eyeballing him. I've always said that if Hicks comes up and outplays Ben then good for us.

 

I also like Mastro... I hate trying to spell his name but I like Mastro... This could be a big opportunity for him to take advantage of... With so many players it just comes down to opportunity, Some never get it and some have a very short window. This could be a short window for Mastro and I'm happy for him.

[Mike Sixel]

I thin Jim has it right, we will all miss watching Revere and his attitude, but it was too much to say no to.

[jokin]

KLAW likes the deal. And I still do not think they have to punt on 2013.....

 

Hey Chris, get a Kluwe, Gardy certainly doesn't want them to punt in hopes of keeping his job, but given their likely horrible defense this year, likely regression of certain players, likely continued salary dump trade(s) and the unwillingness/inability to sign/acquire 2 high-yield SPs makes it all but certain that this year will be booted away.

[mlbfan]

Congratulations, lets throw a party, we are now the Minnesota Royals. Great minor league teams, two major league players. Maybe we can trade Willingham and Maur also. Next winning season 2020 (if everything breaks right).

[Mike Sixel]

I agree, if they do not use the money they have to sign 2 legit pitchers, that indicates they are punting. But that does not mean, imo, they should punt. They should sign Marcum and someone else.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Congratulations, lets throw a party, we are now the Minnesota Royals. Great minor league teams, two major league players. Maybe we can trade Willingham and Maur also. Next winning season 2020 (if everything breaks right).

 

The Twins just picked up a legitimate Major League pitcher AND a solid pitching prospect for a guy who may be outplayed by Aaron Hicks in the coming season.

[S.]

As has been said many times already, Revere was certainly fun to watch but only a fool wouldn't be happy about this trade. Now I'd love to see us sign Marcum to a 3 year deal to have a solid, veteran arm in the rotation to go along with the young guys who will be coming up over the next 3 years.

 

A shortstop that doesn't make me weep would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[Ultima Ratio]

So unless Morneau is moved, Parmelee is definitely slotting to start in RF now. I can accept that.

[Brock Beauchamp]

As has been said many times already, Revere was certainly fun to watch but only a fool wouldn't be happy about this trade. Now I'd love to see us sign Marcum to a 3 year deal to have a solid, veteran arm in the rotation to go along with the young guys who will be coming up over the next 3 years.

 

A shortstop that doesn't make me weep would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

 

The Twins absolutely have the money to do both. It's just unfortunate that the middle infield class is so weak this offseason.

[Wookiee of the Year]

I was with you on this one Riverbrian. I hate to lose Revere but it's no surprise to me the Twins got more for Revere than they did for Span

 

It's really strange... I can't describe it... I'm pumped about two decent arms coming to us... And floored at.the reality of the loss of my favorite Twin.

If you liked Revere, there's this Hicks kid in the pipeline who does all the same stuff, plus a throwing arm, plus the ability to draw walks, plus some pop.

Yeah, but how's his smile?

 

I'm with you, Riverbrian--sad to see my favorite Twin go, but impressed by the return he brought and know it looks likes the right move.

[Guest @_2244]

I'll stand by my prediction that if he has a strong season in a ballpark favorable to what he does best, the Phillies consider extension talks in the offseason.

 

And I'd still consider it a mistake but I think Revere will do better in the NL and that ballpark than he ever would in Target Field.

 

I fully agree, he's made for the NL and that park and a classy organization. I wish him the best. I just don't like the supposed Twins fans on a Twins blog who still want to get one more kick at a guy- who's done nothing wrong- as he's going out the door.

I would submit that a player like Revere is best-suited for a cavern like Target Field. Offensively, big outfield gaps make more doubles and triples possible for speedsters who don't hit (m)any taters. Power hitters are going to get their homers, but a big ballpark weeds out the cheap homers from guys that are not typically considered deep threats, which minimizes his power limitations. Defensively, the only negative to Revere playing in a big outfield is his lack of arm strength becomes a bit more problematic. The trade-off is all that real estate gives him a big advantage in terms of defensive range. The guy gets to a lot of balls most OFers couldn't dream of. In addition to being a solid outfielder, he makes some of the best OF catches you'll ever see. Having a lot of territory track down fly balls / line drives caters to one of his biggest strengths.

 

I really don't see how playing in a bandbox like Philly benefits a player with Revere's tools whatsoever. A slap-hitting speedster devoid of power, with zero arm strength but great range gets the most out of his abilities in a cavernous ballpark that maxes his assets and minimizes his liabilities.

[jokin]

As has been said many times already, Revere was certainly fun to watch but only a fool wouldn't be happy about this trade. Now I'd love to see us sign Marcum to a 3 year deal to have a solid, veteran arm in the rotation to go along with the young guys who will be coming up over the next 3 years.

 

A shortstop that doesn't make me weep would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

 

The Twins absolutely have the money to do both. It's just unfortunate that the middle infield class is so weak this offseason.

 

You mean FA MI class, right? Because there were/are certainly MI potentially available in trade. Right now, there are at least half a dozen AAA teams that have a better MI rotation than the Twins do, embarassing, and potentially the prime diaster point for 2013.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I would submit that a player like Revere is best-suited for a cavern like Target Field. Offensively, big outfield gaps make more doubles and triples possible for speedsters who don't hit (m)any taters. Power hitters are going to get their homers, but a big ballpark weeds out the cheap homers from guys that are not typically considered deep threats, which minimizes his power limitations. Defensively, the only negative to Revere playing in a big outfield is his lack of arm strength becomes a bit more problematic. The trade-off is all that real estate gives him a big advantage in terms of defensive range. The guy gets to a lot of balls most OFers couldn't dream of. In addition to being a solid outfielder, he makes some of the best OF catches you'll ever see. Having a lot of territory track down fly balls / line drives caters to one of his biggest strengths.

 

I really don't see how playing in a bandbox like Philly benefits a player with Revere's tools whatsoever. A slap-hitting speedster devoid of power, with zero arm strength but great range gets the most out of his abilities in a cavernous ballpark that maxes his assets and minimizes his liabilities.

 

Defensively, park size isn't going to matter much. Any MLB park is big enough to strain the range of any outfielder. Revere is going to shut down CF in Citizen's Bank Park.

 

Offensively, you have a point but Revere hits the ball on the ground A LOT. Park doesn't matter a lick at that point and I think facing inferior NL pitching will be more of an advantage than having a cavernous park in which to hit.

 

Plus, he may actually hit a homerun in Philly. I don't think he'd ever do that at TF.

[Brock Beauchamp]

You mean FA MI class, right? Because there were/are certainly MI potentially available in trade. Right now, there are at least half a dozen AAA teams that have a better MI rotation than the Twins do, embarassing, and potentially the prime diaster point for 2013.

 

Yeah, I meant free agent middle infielders.

[S.]

The Twins absolutely have the money to do both. It's just unfortunate that the middle infield class is so weak this offseason.

Agreed on both fronts. If there were some better FA options I could definitely see us getting Marcum on a multi year deal, someone on a cheap one year deal (Liriano comes to mind), and a SS. Unfortunately, I envision them trotting out a middle infield of Carroll/Dozier/Florimon for a good chunk of the year, then potentially trying for a young SS at the deadline in a Willingham or Morneau trade if their value is up.

 

Though, TR has surprised me today. Maybe we'll be seeing a trade for a SS before the start of the year.

[crapforks]

You mean FA MI class, right? Because there were/are certainly MI potentially available in trade. Right now, there are at least half a dozen AAA teams that have a better MI rotation than the Twins do, embarassing, and potentially the prime diaster point for 2013.

MI could be the disaster point, but with no clear CF, two penciled-in SP (out of 5) and no lineup presence out of the 1,2,7,8 and 9 spots (assuming one of Doumit and Plouffe hits, but not both), I think 13 is shaping up to be a rough year. And a season I will spend much more time watching than last.

[LaBombo]

Interesting that we actually got more for Revere than we did for Span. I'd put May between Meyers and Gibson. Worley becomes the number 2 starter, for the time being, behind Scott Diamond.

 

For what it's worth, the James projection thinks Worley's ERA should be about a half run better than Diamond's.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I think 13 is shaping up to be a rough year. And a season I will spend much more time watching than last.

 

Funny how it works that way, isn't it? The true fans are more excited than ever while casual fans are moping that we "lost" Smiley McGee.

[johnnydakota]

does this mean joe mauer bats leadoff?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Interesting that we actually got more for Revere than we did for Span. I'd put May between Meyers and Gibson. Worley becomes the number 2 starter, for the time being, behind Scott Diamond.

 

For what it's worth, the James projection thinks Worley's ERA should be about a half run better than Diamond's.

 

I assume that projection was for the NL, not AL.

[Brock Beauchamp]

does this mean joe mauer bats leadoff?

 

Barring any acquisitions, my guess is second with Carroll slotting in first (unless Hicks grabs that spot).

[crapforks]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Why-Vance-Worley-for-Justin-Upton-might-make-more-sense.html

 

Speculation that those two (Worley-May) plus one piece (Brown or a catcher) was maybe getting them Justin Upton

[johnnydakota]

I think 13 is shaping up to be a rough year. And a season I will spend much more time watching than last.

 

Funny how it works that way, isn't it? The true fans are more excited than ever while casual fans are moping that we "lost" Smiley McGee.

 

see what hope does for ther fans? ¨)

[S.]

Funny how it works that way, isn't it? The true fans are more excited than ever while casual fans are moping that we "lost" Smiley McGee.

But...but...he's fast.

[jokin]

does this mean joe mauer bats leadoff?

 

Barring any acquisitions, my guess is second with Carroll slotting in first (unless Hicks grabs that spot).

 

This is the right order slot for Mauer, but Gardy will never do it. Flori/Esco/Dozier/Carroll gets slotted 1 or 2 until Hicks gets the call-up.

[jokin]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Why-Vance-Worley-for-Justin-Upton-might-make-more-sense.html

 

Speculation that those two (Worley-May) plus one piece (Brown or a catcher) was maybe getting them Justin Upton

 

But, but....."Revere is a nice-guy, worthless, low-ceiling nobody"....

[jokin]

I think 13 is shaping up to be a rough year. And a season I will spend much more time watching than last.

 

Funny how it works that way, isn't it? The true fans are more excited than ever while casual fans are moping that we "lost" Smiley McGee.

 

Still one more kick in the rear?

[TopGunn#22]

This is a great trade. And it will necessitate the need to accelerate the Twins career of Aaron Hicks. We now have Diamond and Worely in the rotation. Signing Marcum and Myers (just using them as an example) gives us for competent starting pitchers. We had ONE last year and he wasn't in the rotation to begin the season. We scored 50 more runs than the Reds last year, even more runs than the Rays. What sets them apart from us??? PITCHING! T.R. is starting to git 'er done.

[Jim Crikket]

After glancing through a few Phillies fan-sites, I'm struck by the reactions, as compared with most of those here.

 

Phillies fans are seeing the addition of a young, team-controlled CF with a lot of upside. Twins fans like Revere, but I think it's safe to say most of us doubt how much upside he has.

 

Twins fans are pumped about getting a top 100 pitching prospect in May. Phillies fans seem to consider May a "former top prospect" who lost that standing with a bad season in 2012.

 

Twins fans see Worley as immediately becoming the current #1 SP in the Twins rotation. Phillies fans frown a bit about losing a "solid" starting pitcher, but feel that's the price you pay and aren't too concerned because there appear to be a number of "back of the rotation" arms available on the FA market.

 

Just goes to show how perspectives affect things. The Twins have enough OF depth in the system that the idea of giving up pitching to get an OF is totally foreign. The Phillies have a rotation with multiple CY winners and consider losing Worely an inconvenient necessity, at worst.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I think 13 is shaping up to be a rough year. And a season I will spend much more time watching than last.

 

Funny how it works that way, isn't it? The true fans are more excited than ever while casual fans are moping that we "lost" Smiley McGee.

 

Still one more kick in the rear?

 

That was aimed at casual fans, not Revere. I've seen dozens of comments today by casual fans lamenting the loss of a player that they just wanted to pick up and hug.

 

Ben's a happy guy. Good for him. But, like strange women lyin' in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government, smile factor is no basis for running a baseball team.