Article: Ben Revere Traded to Philly for RHP Vance Worley & Top Pitching Prospect

[savvyspy]

I guess my purchase of the Nothing Runs Like A Revere t-shirt 2 days ago was the Kiss of Death. Great trade but love Revere.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Exactly.....Is Morneau and Willingham next?!

 

Hard to say. I think they'll open the season with both, really.

 

But if there is still a market for outfielders, I'm sure Ryan will listen. After all, there are divisions outside the NL East that might need an outfielder.

[Mchans24]

PUMPED ABOUT THIS TRADE!! If Hicks isnt ready we can always use Bensons service time next year rather than waste Hicks. I imagine Hicks will win the job in Spring Training though. We now have pitching depth at AA and down!! 2014 we will be an up and coming team, 2015 look out! Terry Ryan is a Jedi!

[gil4]

A crazy idea.... would Gardy Sizemore be a good pick up if signed on a make good contract or is he still hurt? I haven't heard anyone say they thought Hicks or the other guys would be ready this spring.

 

Sizemore just had another knee surgery, but if his first name was really "Gardy" the Twins would probably take him anyway.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8707436/grady-sizemore-had-more-surgery-miss-start-season-agent-says

[Jeremy Nygaard]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

[kab21]

I don't really understand why trading Revere all of sudden makes this a no doubt rebuild year. The Twins did not have a starting rotation and weren't going anywhere until that was addressed. That would have been impossible to fix w/o trading something away. In some ways this sets the Twins up to make a little bigger splash in FA although I don't expect it. They freed up Span's 5M and filled one of their pitching holes with a guy making the MLB minimum. Fewer holes to fill with the same amount of money allows them to pick up a better player (possibly). They also now have 3 legit pitching prospects that will come up in '13/'14.

 

In addition to that it's also possible that this pushes the Hicks timetable up and many have been disappointed that it didn't look like he would be in the majors early next year.

[Boom Boom]

I don't really understand why trading Revere all of sudden makes this a no doubt rebuild year. The Twins did not have a starting rotation and weren't going anywhere until that was addressed. That would have been impossible to fix w/o trading something away. In some ways this sets the Twins up to make a little bigger splash in FA although I don't expect it. They freed up Span's 5M and filled one of their pitching holes with a guy making the MLB minimum. Fewer holes to fill with the same amount of money allows them to pick up a better player (possibly). They also now have 3 legit pitching prospects that will come up in '13/'14.

 

In addition to that it's also possible that this pushes the Hicks timetable up and many have been disappointed that it didn't look like he would be in the majors early next year.

 

Spot on. IMO, the loss of Revere is more than compensated for by the addition of Worley to the rotation. And May isn't far behind either.

[wavedog]

We were in the right place at the rigth time for this trade. Phillies needed a CF and did not have the budget $ for Bourn (or Hamilton). Ryan probably wasn't looking to trade Revere but this deal was too good to pass up. Interesting if we bring Hicks up next year or make a trade for a stop-gap CF. We need someone who can cover some ground if Willingham and Parmelee are at the corner spots.

[ThePuck]

I like what they got for Revere considering what Revere was but I believe Meyer will end up better than both of the guys we got for Revere.

 

I do love this trade though...partly cause I don't feel we lost much...but also because it addresses pitching for the present and future. Ryan robbed the Phillies GM, which is fun to see.

 

Meyer is a better prospect than May.

 

But given how many pitchers the Twins need in both the short and long term, it's impossible not to love this deal.

 

I said I loved this trade...

[jokin]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

Bingo. Contrary to some who think otherwise, the Phillies could have afforded a Bourn but got Revere on my "percentage of salary valuation" argument basis. (FWIW- If he performs at all in CF, which he should in that small ballpark, he'll be the top Range OF guy in all of MLB and end up getting extended after 2013)

 

No question though, Twins got a great trade. I'm excited that they have finally folded their cards and prepared for 2014/15.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I said I loved this trade...

 

I didn't mean to imply you weren't in favor of it.

[ThePuck]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

Well, Ryan was able to totally bone Philly who was desperate for a cheap CF with major league experience...so maybe, maybe not.

[ThePuck]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

Bingo. The Phillies could have afforded a Bourn but got Revere on my "percentage of salary valuation" argument basis.

 

No question though, Twins got a great trade. I'm excited that they have finally folded their cards and prepared for 2014/15.

 

Philly very likely can't afford Bourn or Hamilton

[mnfanforlife]

Meyer is going to be an ace. True #1...So the Span return could be better than the Revere return...in time.

[Mchans24]

I could see us being a contender in 2013 but Im not counting on it. 2014 and 2015 I am actually counting on. Of course, things could and will go wrong but I see us building our farm system back to a point that things are very optimistic. No doubt Terry will continue to look for this years Ryan Doumit, Josh Willingham and the relief pitcher who slips my mind right now in free agency. I think we need another REALLY solid pitcher to make us a contender. Even though I hate to say this, Liriano on a one year deal isnt a horrible option. The guy can be a real #1 at times. If he has one of those years and gets confidence early you never know.

[edavis0308]

It has been reported that our plan this whole time has been to sign one free agent pitcher, was it not? That makes me feel way better in that aspect as well.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Exactly.....Is Morneau and Willingham next?!

 

Hard to say. I think they'll open the season with both, really.

 

But if there is still a market for outfielders, I'm sure Ryan will listen. After all, there are divisions outside the NL East that might need an outfielder.

 

Could Willingham get better players than Revere just did? I have a feeling Twins are quietly listening to what Morneau and Willingham could recieve. I honestly dont think this is the last trade we are going to make. I have a feeling one of those 2 will be traded for a pitcher.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

It has been reported that our plan this whole time has been to sign one free agent pitcher, was it not? That makes me feel way better in that aspect as well.

 

Now the question is.....WHO?!

[jokin]

I'm not sure Worley should be considered a significant return but he should be a solid #3/4 to stop the bleeding. Interesting stat that troubles me is that while he has a decent K rate he has an awful swinging strike rate.

 

MLBTR is reporting that a "good" prospect was also included.

 

If true, that is ONE HELL of a haul for Revere.

 

Care to reconsider your evaluation or did Ryan do a major hose job on the Phillies?

[Oxtung]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

Well, Ryan was able to totally bone Philly who was desperate for a cheap CF with major league experience...so maybe, maybe not.

 

We also don't know what Philly, the team with the most knowledge of their pitchers, felt about the futures of these 2. To me this reads as Philly was very uncomfortable with these pitchers futures. I think Philly wanted to get what value they could from these 2 before one potentially turns into a lemon and the other a pumpkin.

[ericchri]

Here at Ben Revere Daily...

 

I'm really excited, we got a guy who looks to be a solid major leaguer and a prospect with upside. And it means we'll definitely see Hicks at some point next year, barring injury (knock on wood). If both pitchers pan out, this move is fantastic. There some pretty big question marks for both of them, though. My chronic page refreshing today is finally rewarded, however.

 

I've been looking forward to Aaron Hicks for a couple years now, he's almost the perfect example of what I want in a CF if he makes the transition successfully. It'll be interesting to see how they try and fill the position. Live with Mastro until Hicks is ready? Play Benson regardless of last year since he's already had service time in the majors? Throw Hicks in the deep end and see if he swims? Pick up a half-year rental from the scrap heap?

[spideyo]

Well damn. I'm as big a Revere booster as anybody, but I guess I have to admit this is a good trade for the Twins. I'll miss Ben a lot, he was exciting to watch and an all around good guy. Hopefully he thrives in Philly and we see him back here in 2014 for the Allstar game.

 

This does definitely make Spring Training a lot more interesting. Willingham, Mauer, Doumit and Mourneau are the only guys that are going to show up in Florida knowing for sure what there role will be.

[ThePuck]

It has been reported that our plan this whole time has been to sign one free agent pitcher, was it not? That makes me feel way better in that aspect as well.

 

Now the question is.....WHO?!

 

I'm hoping Marcum. Marcum, Worley, Diamond and Gibson in the front 4. Not great, but it's a start...

[messed up]

I was with you on this one Riverbrian. I hate to lose Revere but it's no surprise to me the Twins got more for Revere than they did for Span

[E. Andrew]

Very excited about this, have really liked Worley from afar for a couple years. Revere was fine and good, but the worst of our highest-rated ourtfield prospects. Pumped to get both a solid starter and a promising prospect - - very smart move.

[jokin]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

Bingo. The Phillies could have afforded a Bourn but got Revere on my "percentage of salary valuation" argument basis.

 

No question though, Twins got a great trade. I'm excited that they have finally folded their cards and prepared for 2014/15.

 

Philly very likely can't afford Bourn or Hamilton

 

I've heard arguments both ways, but if you evaluate their cash flow, it probably only would have involved moving a vet or two to have made it happen.

[SurroundedByTigers]

This means Hicks is the new starting centerfielder and lead-off man for Twins. He will probably struggle, and flop spots for Benson in the minors, but both will be up here by midseason. Next up to leave is Morneau, unfortunately. Twins might be able to solve a bullpen spot, and 3B for Morneau, with Parmalee moving to 1B. All these moves make the Twins more than competitive in 2nd half of 2013 moving forward.

[Dilligaf69]

Can't see how you could be the least upset for this trade. This is a GREAT get for Revere...I'm shocked we got a starter and a top SP prospect for Ben...WOW!

[DaveW]

I guess the "value of Ben Revere" question can be put to rest...

 

 

Or the "do the Phillies have a competent Front Office?" question can be put to rest....

 

Just because Barry Zito got 100 million several years ago doesn't mean that was his "value"

[gunnarthor]

Exactly.....Is Morneau and Willingham next?!

 

Hard to say. I think they'll open the season with both, really.

 

But if there is still a market for outfielders, I'm sure Ryan will listen. After all, there are divisions outside the NL East that might need an outfielder.

 

Could Willingham get better players than Revere just did? I have a feeling Twins are quietly listening to what Morneau and Willingham could recieve. I honestly dont think this is the last trade we are going to make. I have a feeling one of those 2 will be traded for a pitcher.

 

I don't think Willingham or Morneau have that kind of value. I think both have better value at the trade deadline when a team (say Pitt) needs a power bat to stay in the race and the fans demand it.

 

That said, Ryan has pulled off two pretty nice trades already so Willingham for Bauer must be next.