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Game Thread: Twins@Brewers, 8/10 @ 7:10pm CT

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when you look at it in real time the ball pops out almost immediately, there was no attempt to transfer it just popped out of his glove, that can never be a catch

Yeah, I started to doubt myself when viewing the slow motion. The ball was nestled in his glove safely. He had control. BUT... that's not enough. On a running catch, he has to get control over himself as well as the ball. The landing jarred the ball loose. Maybe I'll go try to find a line in the rule book that covers this, but I'm pretty sure the review resulted in the correct call.

 

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Yeah, I started to doubt myself when viewing the slow motion. The ball was nestled in his glove safely. He had control. BUT... that's not enough. On a running catch, he has to get control over himself as well as the ball. The landing jarred the ball loose. Maybe I'll go try to find a line in the rule book that covers this, but I'm pretty sure the review resulted in the correct call.

 

To complete the catch you need to complete a football move, we all know this.

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To complete the catch you need to complete a football move, we all know this.

I would be surprised if the rules meantioned football moves, but yeah that works for me.

 

But i wish i could teach outfielders to reliably juggle the ball when runners tag up so they leave before the catch is completed. Tell me they account for that? (well, they should, if they have an infield fly rule...)

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Yeah, I started to doubt myself when viewing the slow motion. The ball was nestled in his glove safely. He had control. BUT... that's not enough. On a running catch, he has to get control over himself as well as the ball. The landing jarred the ball loose. Maybe I'll go try to find a line in the rule book that covers this, but I'm pretty sure the review resulted in the correct call.

 

Correct, if he would have caught it , took two steps and crashed into the wall and that jarred the ball loose, it would have been ruled no catch
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I would be surprised if the rules meantioned football moves, but yeah that works for me.

 

But i wish i could teach outfielders to reliably juggle the ball when runners tag up so they leave before the catch is completed. Tell me they account for that? (well, they should, if they have an infield fly rule...)

In that case, and I could be wrong, I believe the runner can leave the base when the ball is first touched.
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Maybe I'll go try to find a line in the rule book that covers this, but I'm pretty sure the review resulted in the correct call.

Not that there was much disagreement here, but I did look it up. The best reference I found in the rules is simply the definition of "Catch". I'll highlight the phrases I think pertain to Yelich's attempt:

 

A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player.  In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.  If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught.

 

We're familiar with the ruling, mentioned in that final sentence, when an out is recorded even though the ball was dropped, such as when an outfielder is trying for an assist. That wasn't what happened just now, so that possible excuse doesn't apply.

 

Good call, IMO. Brewers fans will unanimously disagree of course - he did catch it. He just didn't make a baseball Catch.

 

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In that case, and I could be wrong, I believe the runner can leave the base when the ball is first touched.

 

You are correct. I actually got an umpire to change a call in a slow-pitch game, noting that if the runner had to wait until control, a good outfielder could juggle the ball all the way back into the infield. 

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