MLB Team affected by Covid, getting in the whole season

[twinsfanstreif]

Here in the UK the English Premier League played out the season for like 6 or 7 weeks and not a single player caught the virus and there's been no bubble, in fact there's basically no social distancing at all even on the sidelines. I don't understand how this can't be worked out in baseball where there's significantly less contact between players

[Vanimal46]

Here in the UK the English Premier League played out the season for like 6 or 7 weeks and not a single player caught the virus and there's been no bubble, in fact there's basically no social distancing at all even on the sidelines. I don't understand how this can't be worked out in baseball where there's significantly less contact between players

Europeans sacrificed a hell of a lot more than we did in America. You waited until the spread was contained and declining before allowing sports to return. We’re throwing caution to the wind by trying to play as cases continue to increase.

[twinsfanstreif]

Europeans sacrificed a hell of a lot more than we did in America. You waited until the spread was contained and declining before allowing sports to return. We’re throwing caution to the wind by trying to play as cases continue to increase.

Yeah, I'm not sure the dynamics in the states, I basically only see stuff on Facebook. I do know that we locked down later than you guys and masks really weren't a thing until a few days ago. However I do know that the British are much more compliant and polite about things than Americans are so that probably plays a big part plus we don't have a/c here and apparently that aides in spreading it so that could be a factor as well. Overall I haven't seen a huge difference in policy here vs the states, it's just as convoluted and ambiguous as what you guys are getting, the difference seems to be the overall attitude. Although I'll tell you, in my town it seems like there's very little social distancing happening at all so who knows, maybe it really is the A/C thing

[mikelink45]

They have to cancel those games until they can make the facilities safe for the next teams.  Of all the teams the Marlins are the most logical (Rays next) since they are the hotbed for infection.

 

But of course the team that may be the worst in the league takes down the season - I know that they have 30 more players - if they are not infected - and as bad as they are does it matter which of the 60 is on the field?  

 

Imagine this happening in their playoffs - the Kind of World Series. 

[TFRazor]

Why am I not surprised that the Marlins were the ones who screwed the pooch on this?

[Platoon]

I wonder why one day someone won’t figure out that it’s not a good idea in the era of the Covid to get together in groups and share rooms with showers, and dugouts. Masks? Very few seen. No spitting? Really? Distancing? Yah right! 
 

The people who study this for a living keep telling us what to do. We keep not doing it. Then we are astounded when what we were told would happen, happened. 

 

It doesn’t have to be MLB either. MN amateur baseball is hell bent on having a state tourney this year, come hell or high Covid. On Friday the New Ulm city council decided 5-0 to refuse to allow the tourney at its two parks. The State Board is undeterred. They are looking for other sites.  It’s apparent from watching all this unfold over the months, some just either don’t get it, or just don’t care!

[yarnivek1972]

Totally agree. MLB should have a "Covid Clause". If a player tests positive for Covid-19, they can be replaced without those moves counting against roster space.

 

IMO if the league/Marlins take decisive action they should be able to play as soon as tomorrow.

 

I am sure there are at least 30 professional players in the Marlins organization who do not have Covid-19. Get those guys in a safe place, test them twice, and play ball. I know it sounds heartless but for the league to work this year, this is what has to happen.

Keeping in mind that only the 60 players on their list have done anything baseball related since March. They just lost 20% of their players. And that’s the ones they KNOW are positive. Every other player and coach was exposed. Typical protocol for John Q Public when one has been in close contact to a known positive is to quarrantine for 2 weeks because exposure doesn’t always register on a test right away.

 

So that should put the Marlins out for two weeks IMO. OK, that’s almost 1/4 of the season. How are they going to make that up?

 

It’s a mess. And it was extremely predictable.

 

Bold prediction: MLB will shut down inside a week. The NBA probably won’t restart and I don’t see the likelihood of NFL or college football this fall. Or any college athletics for that matter. Most likely not high school either.

[mikelink45]

 

I wonder why one day someone won’t figure out that it’s not a good idea in the era of the Covid to get together in groups and share rooms with showers, and dugouts. Masks? Very few seen. No spitting? Really? Distancing? Yah right! 
 

The people who study this for a living keep telling us what to do. We keep not doing it. Then we are astounded when what we were told would happen, happened. 

 

It doesn’t have to be MLB either. MN amateur baseball is hell bent on having a state tourney this year, come hell or high Covid. On Friday the New Ulm city council decided 5-0 to refuse to allow the tourney at its two parks. The State Board is undeterred. They are looking for other sites.  It’s apparent from watching all this unfold over the months, some just either don’t get it, or just don’t care!

I was moved to reflect more on this 

https://twinsdaily.com/blogs/entry/11958-%7B%3F%7D/

 

[bighat]

 

Bold prediction: MLB will shut down inside a week. The NBA probably won’t restart and I don’t see the likelihood of NFL or college football this fall. Or any college athletics for that matter. Most likely not high school either.

I think that's a very bold prediction.

 

The way things have gone in the USA so far with Covid, I'd predict a slow, staggering death of all of these sports complete with protests and a lot of political bickering. Uncle Sam has way too many experts to just "shut things down". It'll be death by a thousand cuts.

[yarnivek1972]

I think that's a very bold prediction.

 

The way things have gone in the USA so far with Covid, I'd predict a slow, staggering death of all of these sports complete with protests and a lot of political bickering. Uncle Sam has way too many experts to just "shut things down". It'll be death by a thousand cuts.

All the sports shut down in the spring with virtually no input from the government. Things were considerably better then than now.

[twins1095]

 

Keeping in mind that only the 60 players on their list have done anything baseball related since March. They just lost 20% of their players. And that’s the ones they KNOW are positive. Every other player and coach was exposed. Typical protocol for John Q Public when one has been in close contact to a known positive is to quarrantine for 2 weeks because exposure doesn’t always register on a test right away.

So that should put the Marlins out for two weeks IMO. OK, that’s almost 1/4 of the season. How are they going to make that up?

It’s a mess. And it was extremely predictable.

Bold prediction: MLB will shut down inside a week. The NBA probably won’t restart and I don’t see the likelihood of NFL or college football this fall. Or any college athletics for that matter. Most likely not high school either.

 

I will address your last line. I will say the following:

• I believe that the NBA & NHL will go on because they have effectively isolated themselves from society at great monetary cost, but also personal cost in terms of essentially removing themselves from broader society to play a game. With all of the measures in place it seems unlikely that an outbreak is likely to spread, even if there were to be a positive case somehow. It's even more unlikely as the pool of teams, individuals, and staff support for those individuals in that bubble decreases
• If you attempt to play sports and aren't inside of a bubble, it is non-nonsensical to think that there will not be cases. If we are going to define positive cases as our barrier of playing non-bubble sports, sports will not go on. If the standard is no longer positive or non-positive cases... non-bubble sports leagues will have to create protocols in place for isolating outbreaks when they happen and be comfortable with minor-league or back-up players playing large amounts of games. 

 

[yarnivek1972]

There has been at least one case of an individual in the NBA that has broken the “bubble”. It was in the news that an NBA player was at a club with a friend, who posted a selfie.

 

How many others have slipped out un-noticed?

[SF Twins Fan]

 

Keeping in mind that only the 60 players on their list have done anything baseball related since March. They just lost 20% of their players. And that’s the ones they KNOW are positive. Every other player and coach was exposed. Typical protocol for John Q Public when one has been in close contact to a known positive is to quarrantine for 2 weeks because exposure doesn’t always register on a test right away.

So that should put the Marlins out for two weeks IMO. OK, that’s almost 1/4 of the season. How are they going to make that up?

It’s a mess. And it was extremely predictable.

Bold prediction: MLB will shut down inside a week. The NBA probably won’t restart and I don’t see the likelihood of NFL or college football this fall. Or any college athletics for that matter. Most likely not high school either.

 

The NHL will be the last sport standing!!!! Zero confirmed cases within the last week and all teams are now within the bubble.  They have completely locked down their bubble to anyone from the outside and have put in a ton of work for policies and procedures.  Plus they smartly went to Canada who have less than 114,000 cases in total since the pandemic started.  The US has way more deaths than they have in cases.

[Nine of twelve]

I said something like this on some other thread, and it's not my original idea, but I think it bears repeating.

 

Who will decide what will take place during the pandemic? Some people think Rob Manfred is the boss, but he's not. Some people think Tony Clark is the boss, but he's not. Donald Trump is not the boss. Justin Trudeau is not the boss. Anthony Fauci is not the boss. Tim Walz is not the boss. No human being is the boss. The virus is the boss. The virus and the virus alone will decide what will happen, and the virus exists only for its own self-interest. It doesn't care one bit about anyone's entertainment, or anyone's convenience, or anyone's job, or anyone's life. If you don't bow down to the boss you will pay dearly.

[yarnivek1972]

The NHL will be the last sport standing!!!! Zero confirmed cases within the last week and all teams are now within the bubble. They have completely locked down their bubble to anyone from the outside and have put in a ton of work for policies and procedures. Plus they smartly went to Canada who have less than 114,000 cases in total since the pandemic started. The US has way more deaths than they have in cases.

Canada has a smaller population than California. And while Canada has had about 4 times as many positive cases, Canada has had a slightly higher death toll. Which really doesn’t say much for Canada’s health care system.

 

As much of a “bubble” they think they have created, there are still gaps. Players are being fed. That means food is being prepared. Are they in the bubble? What about the people who are bringing in food shipments? They obviously aren’t in the bubble.

[wabene]

Canada has a smaller population than California. And while Canada has had about 4 times as many positive cases, Canada has had a slightly higher death toll. Which really doesn’t say much for Canada’s health care system.

As much of a “bubble” they think they have created, there are still gaps. Players are being fed. That means food is being prepared. Are they in the bubble? What about the people who are bringing in food shipments? They obviously aren’t in the bubble.

Kinda simplistic to indict Canada's health care system based on one number. Anyone from the States who trys to put shade on any other developed country's health care system has their head in the sand. Our system exists for profit and that alone, not anything to do with the health of the population. A country with our resources should be ashamed of the abomination.

[stdress]

 

I said something like this on some other thread, and it's not my original idea, but I think it bears repeating.

 

Who will decide what will take place during the pandemic? Some people think Rob Manfred is the boss, but he's not. Some people think Tony Clark is the boss, but he's not. Donald Trump is not the boss. Justin Trudeau is not the boss. Anthony Fauci is not the boss. Tim Walz is not the boss. No human being is the boss. The virus is the boss. The virus and the virus alone will decide what will happen, and the virus exists only for its own self-interest. It doesn't care one bit about anyone's entertainment, or anyone's convenience, or anyone's job, or anyone's life. If you don't bow down to the boss you will pay dearly.

 

Yes, we know the virus is the boss (at least most of us, I hope).  Those names lumped together play very different roles in our lives and serve very different interests.  Just because they are not the "boss" doesn't mean they don't have impact (negative or positive).  I agree with you about the scale of things.  If you want to avoid the virus, you know who to ignore on that list.  For me, I'll trust the doctor and our governor.  

[Squirrel]

I just want to remind people that if you want a COVID-specific conversation, there is a thread in the Sports Bar forum to do exactly that. For this thread, as much as possible, please keep the COVID discussion related to baseball.

[yarnivek1972]

Wasn’t there like a 200 page covid playbook that everyone agreed to?

 

Mattingly said the other day that there was no consideration to not playing Sunday, despite 10% of his roster testing positive over the preceding couple days. If there isn’t an automatic “pause” button plateau in that agreement, there sure as hell should be.

[yarnivek1972]

Also, if their players’ health is the top priority (as Jeter’s statement said) shouldn’t they have at least considered not playing Sunday when 10% of their players had already tested positive?

[Squirrel]

 

By sacrificed you mean more people are dying right?

Because Deaths per million are higher in the UK - 674, Spain - 608, Italy - 581, Sweden - 564, France - 463, than they are in the USA 455.

But I think you are correct in that the Europeans haven't been in contest protest though a pandemic

 

Moderator Note:

 

I'm going to say this again ... if you want to talk about Covid, and which countries did/didn't do what ... please take it to the Sports Bar to this thread. Please keep your comments in this thread contained to Covid, AS IT RELATES TO BASEBALL. Yes, it's a fine line and it's difficult to do one without the other, but try, because we don't want this to devolve into a general Covid discussion, as we have an ongoing thread for that.

[bighat]

Tonight's game between NYY and Philly also PPD:

 

 

[Squirrel]

 

Tonight's game between NYY and Philly also PPD:

 

 

Did they even fly into town? I'm guessing they are awaiting all test results. Or, just taking extra precautions, just in case.

[Vanimal46]

 

Yikes. The Phillies haven’t announced yet whether they have some positive tests from playing against Miami.

[Squirrel]

 

Yikes. The Phillies haven’t announced yet whether they have some positive tests from playing against Miami.

 

Yikes is right. Hopefully the masks and distancing and being outside helped lessen the exposure to the Phillies.

[jud6312]

 

Also, if their players’ health is the top priority (as Jeter’s statement said) shouldn’t they have at least considered not playing Sunday when 10% of their players had already tested positive?

 

I believe they passed the buck onto the players. They, apparently, decided to play after reaching a consensus via group text.

 

It definitely shouldn't be left up to competitive young men to make that decision though. I know the decision I would've made in my mid to late 20s would be way different than the ones I made even in my mid 30s.

 

 

[jud6312]

 

There has been at least one case of an individual in the NBA that has broken the “bubble”. It was in the news that an NBA player was at a club with a friend, who posted a selfie.

How many others have slipped out un-noticed?

 

But it was a gentleman's club with killer chicken wings. Surely that's worth popping the bubble for.

 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29541585/clippers-lou-williams-serve-10-day-quarantine-miss-games

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

But it was a gentleman's club with killer chicken wings. Surely that's worth popping the bubble for.

 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29541585/clippers-lou-williams-serve-10-day-quarantine-miss-games

That is ridiculous. Any MLB player caught doing anything remotely similar to that should be given a choice:

 

14-day suspension, no pay, under strict quarantine; or

 

No quarantine, do your thing, suspended for the season.

[jud6312]

 

That is ridiculous. Any MLB player caught doing anything remotely similar to that should be given a choice:

14-day suspension, no pay, under strict quarantine; or

No quarantine, do your thing, suspended for the season.

 

Agreed. The truly sad part is that  Zion Williamson, who was 5 when Lou Williams made his NBA debut, was also allowed to leave the bubble to attend to family business and make it back in without incident and was only subject to a 4-day quarantine, rather than the 10 days Williams got.

 

Long-term I'm interested to see if the bubble approach works better or if the results of "normal," but without fans are similar.

[Vanimal46]

The Marlins season has been temporarily paused. The Phillies were potentially exposed to this on Sunday. Shouldn’t they have to isolate for a week or more before they can resume play?