Marwin: Still Here, Still Good

[Mr. Brooks]

That'd be balllsy. $12M for Cruz...$44M for Polanco...$20M for Pineda....and about $10M for Gonzalez. Four contributors and about $86M.

 

Would send a message though.

Those other players already served their punishment.

 

Not saying I agree with cutting Marwin, but it's certainly a completely different situation than those other guys.

[SwainZag]

 

How is Gonzalez necessary to win a ring?  I get that he has 10.5 left on his contract this year and we aren't going to just throw it away, but I know I would.  His game is no better than Adrianza's and I think it is important to send a message to all Twins players that this bullsh*t is not tolerated here.

 

Not sure how or why that is a crazy notion.  Tell him he can keep his check and just leave.

 

What message is this sending? That's the Twins are willing to throw away money and talent because of something done by the player in the past?  The league did not come down on them, why would the Twins purposefully put themselves in a harder position?  Gonzalez would get to keep 100% of his salary anyways. It seems the only ones getting hurt here are the Twins and their fans, what point is that sending?

[ewen21]

 

What message is this sending? That's the Twins are willing to throw away money and talent because of something done by the player in the past?  The league did not come down on them, why would the Twins purposefully put themselves in a harder position?  Gonzalez would get to keep 100% of his salary anyways. It seems the only ones getting hurt here are the Twins and their fans, what point is that sending?

I am saying what I would do.  It would send the message:  YOU ARE NOT WELCOME in my clubhouse.

 

Is it harsh?  Maybe it is.

 

 

Then again, I am not trying to convince you or anyone to endorse what I have said.

Are we OK still?  I hope so, because I kind of enjoy your posts (sometimes)

[ewen21]

Am I being too judgmental?

[howieramone2]

Baseball is not the good ship Lollipop.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Am I being too judgmental?

maybe a little. I mean this is a big deal and I’m mad at him too, but jeez... if you’re gonna ban everyone who breaks the rules of a competitive sport, your gonna run out of players.

 

I bet there was some difficult conversations in that clubhouse. But when they’re done ya gotta move on (from a clubhouse/player perspective)

 

That’s not to say I’d extend Marwin. I wouldn’t. Poor judgement plus declining play is not a recipe for extension. As players like Gordon or Blankenhorn start to push for big league playing time, it’ll be at the expense of Marwin. But I wouldn’t eat the last year of his contract out of spite.

[Werbellik]

Integrity Of The Game. He and the rest of his on the field cheating participants suffered no consequences other than rightful public scorn. Until he and his coconspirators suffer some baseball related consequences none of those guys deserve the privilege of being on a major league field.

[Werbellik]

I wonder what Pete and Shoeless Joe think about all of this.

[ewen21]

 

Integrity Of The Game. He and the rest of his on the field cheating participants suffered no consequences other than rightful public scorn. Until he and his coconspirators suffer some baseball related consequences none of those guys deserve the privilege of being on a major league field.

Agreed.  What I do not understand is that some feel criticism (such as what I presented here) should be curbed.  How is that?   

 

People who are coming from that angle are essentially saying players deserve no criticism.  At all....because it is too speculative and too judgmental.  To hit back at criticism in this case?  Honestly.  Get over it and let people rip these a-holes

[ewen21]

 

maybe a little. I mean this is a big deal and I’m mad at him too, but jeez... if you’re gonna ban everyone who breaks the rules of a competitive sport, your gonna run out of players.

I bet there was some difficult conversations in that clubhouse. But when they’re done ya gotta move on (from a clubhouse/player perspective)
 

 

I am not looking at it from a player perspective.  Why would anyone here look at this issue from that perspective?  If you want to go there then I would submit to you that a great number of players are pretty ornery over this.

 

And PLEASE.  Don't classify this in the same group as Joe Niekro filing down baseballs or individuals operating on their own.  The logic and reasoning applied in this case isn't a one size fits all thing.  Just as in law distinctions are made between different circumstances.  You cannot disprove logic by superimposing it over multiple circumstances where the logic doesn't work.  IN this case there were so many layers to the cheating, so many people attached to the team were complicit in this.  When you say something like, "if you’re gonna ban everyone who breaks the rules" you are really dumbing this down.  Honestly you are.

 

This all boils down to the fact that these players were not punished.  There is an assumption that it cannot be proven who was and was not involved.  I call BS on that one.  Baseball simply doesn't want to sink a franchise so they've swept it under the rug.  

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I am not looking at it from a player perspective. Why would anyone here look at this issue from that perspective? If you want to go there then I would submit to you that a great number of players are pretty ornery over this.

 

And PLEASE. Don't classify this in the same group as Joe Niekro filing down baseballs or individuals operating on their own. The logic and reasoning applied in this case isn't a one size fits all thing. Just as in law distinctions are made between different circumstances. You cannot disprove logic by superimposing it over multiple circumstances where the logic doesn't work. IN this case there were so many layers to the cheating, so many people attached to the team were complicit in this. When you say something like, "if you’re gonna ban everyone who breaks the rules" you are really dumbing this down. Honestly you are.

 

This all boils down to the fact that these players were not punished. There is an assumption that it cannot be proven who was and was not involved. I call BS on that one. Baseball simply doesn't want to sink a franchise so they've swept it under the rug.

how often do you hear of the underling or book keeper getting a slap on the wrist so that they will provide information that convicts the mafia crime boss? At least I see it in the movies... there’s gotta be something there.

 

Look, if you want to adjudicate this as a fan, stop buying tickets. Stop clicking web pages. Separate yourself from Major League Baseball.

 

I’m not happy about what happened with the team. The MLB should have blown that up. The players were absolutely complicit in that, but “took the plea deal”. It’s not the players fault that the jury was rigged.

 

I’m willing to give MLB another shot, even with the stain.

[ewen21]

 

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Look, if you want to adjudicate this as a fan, stop buying tickets. Stop clicking web pages. Separate yourself from Major League Baseball.

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Why are you telling me what I should do? I am not going to stop watching baseball because the Astros cheated.  You make no sense.

 

I will say, I did stop watching baseball for almost five years after the strike.  If something like that happens again then perhaps I will, but why in the world would I allow the Astros scandal make me stop watching?

 

This is about the Astros not being punished for me.  And if players want to administer their own form of punishment, I probably will be behind it for a little while.  And I might even get a little enjoyment out of some of it, as sinister as that sounds.

 

Baseball is not real life to me.  I have a family, a profession and a life.  Baseball is a show to me and with the money these guys make and with how insulated their worlds are I am going to shred players in the occasional rant.  Do you feel the need to close all of that down?

 

You are no fun