How Have the Twins Fared in Previous Top-100 Prospect Trades?

[saviking]

Let's face facts. Todate, the Twins have been much better at developing their own prospects than trading for talent. So far that is ...

[Doctor Gast]

The Maeda/ Graterol trade can not be fully evaluated until Maeda`s time w/ the Twins & Graterol`s career is over

[Trov]

The problem I have with this article is using only WAR to compare the trades.  The two CF for pitcher trades is not balanced due to fact May became pen pitcher and a decent one at that and should help us this year.  Let me ask this, would you rather have May now or Revere?  Pretty sure we could snatch up Revere somewhere.  Also, even if you wanted the production over that time, how much of a difference would Revere made over that time?  

 

The Garza for Young trade clearly worked out better for Rays, but Garza was not a fan of the way the Twins were teaching him and he may never have developed the same way with the Twins as he did with the Rays, maybe he would have but that is difficult to judge.  

 

Clearly the worst was the Matt Capps trade, which was another Bill Smith blunder.  He was part of a group that over valued the closer and the save.  No way would any team now a days trade a top catching prospect for a below average bullpen guy, that just happened to pile up a lot of counting stats.  It showed how badly the team needed to embrace a new line of thinking.  It was a terrible attempt at a win now move. Even if Joe could have caught during much of the time Ramos was a young catcher, they still could have flipped him for more than Capps. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The Garza for Young trade clearly worked out better for Rays, but Garza was not a fan of the way the Twins were teaching him and he may never have developed the same way with the Twins as he did with the Rays, maybe he would have but that is difficult to judge.  

Garza had a 3.69 ERA (117 ERA+) and 4.18 FIP in 2007 for the Twins.

 

His best single-season marks in Tampa were a 3.70 ERA (119 ERA+) and 4.14 FIP.

 

I think it's fair to say he would have turned into much the same pitcher.

[howieramone2]

Our favorite team has done a solid job at trading for talent. At the 2018 trade deadline alone, we picked up 4 starting pitching prospects and Alcala. I understand members buried in the past, as I do the ever present Impatient Brigade. Going forward, things can't look much better.

[AceWrigley]

 

Intentional because sometimes things get missed unless there is something that draws attention to it.

I can dig it, i was just havin' fun with it.
 

[DocBauer]

Cody, love you dude, but this revisionist history has to stop. I appreciate the OP and the idea, but enough is enough.

 

Hicks was thrust in to a position he wasn't ready for. So was Hunter.

 

Plouffe recently stated that the Ramos for Capps move might look bad, but the Twins don't win without that move.

 

Span and Revere for Meyer and May didn't turn out the way we hoped. But at the time, it was a pair of moves seldom seen by the Twins FO. EVERYONE had Meyer dialed in as a stud #1 and May as a #2-3. Never worked out, though May has found himself as an important piece.

 

Aggie turned out to be OK didn't he? So did Liriano before his arm blew out. Bonser was solid for a brief time. That potential HOF guy Nathan was pretty good, right?

 

Different times, different eras. Maybe Graterol develops in to something special and we have serious regrets. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he does and yet Maeda helps us win something.

 

We just need to leave the past in the past and worry about now and an entirely different FO and infrastructure.

[old nurse]

 

I thought the Young trade was included here more because of Garza, although technically he had graduated the prospect list in 2007 too. I guess even in 2008, both guys were still getting valued by their high top 100 ranks from 2007.

 

Humber had lost his top 100 ranking by the time we traded for him too, but due to health/performance rather than graduation.

 

It's not surprising Nathan wasn't on any lists -- not only was he drafted as a shortstop before converting to pitcher, he was actually a mediocre starting pitcher in the minors until converting to relief at age 28.

 

I think top 100 lists can be useful, as long as one understands their limitations and context.

When the limitation are the great percentage of prospects that fail and the numbers of prospects with low or no rankings become good or great players that is a pretty severe limitation.

[joemama]

 

What team did this Jack Kennedy play for?

Jack played for the Blues; Dan played for the Reds:

https://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/lloyd-bentsens-mic-drop-moment-1988-vp-debate-58255800

 

The Blues won this moment, but the Reds won the season.

[big dog]

 

About the guy we trade for (Murphy), I believe he`s never been in a ML game.

Murphy had already hit a home run against the Twins to help the Yankees beat them when we traded for him.  He had appeared in 115 ML games before the trade, then 26 for the Twins, and 119 since. 

 

His OPS+ was 100 in 2015 with the Yankees.  Then it was 12, yes that's correct 12, with the Twins in 2016.  His career number is 66.  Eminently forgettable, unless you traded Aaron Hicks to get him.

 

Not a huge deal, I just felt like the Truth Police had to make an appearance here.  They will now go back into their closet.