Trading for Price and Betts

[Flipper1a]

2017 and 2018 Revenue for teams.

 

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[Flipper1a]

 

I believe the Twins could offer the 6 you have there to every team in the league and no team would give you a good starting pitcher or even a prospect as good the 5 you wouldn't trade (except Alcala), if you only offer quantity in trades with no quality that is what you get in return.

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When you are talking about taking on payroll you don't give your best prospects....Price is significantly overpaid.  Matters how much they are paying but you send them Rosario/Gordon/ Cave plus one more prospect outside the top 5; very fair trade.

[wabene]

Betts rental and a one armed (wrong one) pitcher? No thanks.

[Shane Wahl]

If Buxton were to go down with a significant injury, I would look at this. Otherwise no.

 

[Twins33]

I would think you could get a lot better pitcher for that cost. 

[DannySD]

There would have to be a really good cheap pitcher coming back from Boston. And then it could work, the team finances could easily allow a year of high payroll if it meant wins. But it could easily not work, you would relying heavily on Hill, Price, and Pineda and who knows how they'll be pitching at the end of the season. 

 

The lineup would be a thing of beauty. 

[Reider]

Hard pass on David Price and I'm not sure it would be in the best interest of the Twins to give up a lot for Mookie Betts as he would be a one year rental. Besides, the Twins already have Buxton, Kepler and Rosario etc. I'd rather see an investment made in an elite pitcher, if anything.

[amjgt]

I believe this rule has changed. The team that signs him no longer gives up a first.

There’s still a version of the rule. Depending on what team signs him and for how much, they forfeit a pick. Then, for the team that lost the player, depending on how much the player signed for (which usually ties in to how good they are), they get a compensation pick between rounds. It’s not as simple as it used to be, where if team b signed team a’s player then team a got team b’s draft pick.

[clone52]

 

Hard pass on David Price and I'm not sure it would be in the best interest of the Twins to give up a lot for Mookie Betts as he would be a one year rental. Besides, the Twins already have Buxton, Kepler and Rosario etc. I'd rather see an investment made in an elite pitcher, if anything.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to Betts/Price for Rosario/Larnach/Duran.  Might not be my first choice, but I wouldn't hate it.

 

They've got to use their prospects to get something at some point.  Maybe wait and see who's doing good for a mid-season trade.  I wouldn't make any prospect untouchable for the right person.

 

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

There’s still a version of the rule. Depending on what team signs him and for how much, they forfeit a pick. Then, for the team that lost the player, depending on how much the player signed for (which usually ties in to how good they are), they get a compensation pick between rounds. It’s not as simple as it used to be, where if team b signed team a’s player then team a got team b’s draft pick.

correct, but it's a much lower pick I believe... not worth worrying too much about. 

[ChrisKnutson]

If I’m Bloom, why not package E-Rod and Price together and then go all in on Betts next offseason??

[amjgt]

Wild conspiracy theory that i'll put here.... 

 

Sale's contract was strange right? Like... why are you committing this much money to this guy who's clearly lost a little something when you know you're going to be up against the luxury tax and probably not be able to sign younger core pieces (Betts).

 

What if Sale esentially blackmailed the team? Like... "We just won that World Series. I'm sure you'd hate to see me go to another team and tell everyone all about how we were stealing signs using electronic devices and buzzers."

 

Obviously a long shot, but every part of that seems at least plausible. 

[Seansy]

I like the idea behind this trade scenario but it 1) Has basically zero chance of happening because of how much it increases the Twins payroll and 2) the prospect cost for the Twins is WAY too high.

 

For starters, it is a good idea to package Betts and Price because they basically offset each other in value. Price is -55, Betts is +50 and Rosario is +13 on baseball trade values. Throw in a couple low ceiling prospects from the Twins so the Sox can claim they are "rebuilding their farm system" and the Sox make up the difference by paying down A LOT on Price and Betts contracts.

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

Worth mentioning the Sox have to cut 30 million in payroll to get under CBT per Fangraphs. Betts and Price are 59 million and Rosario is 7.75. 59-37.75= 21.25.

 

Have the Sox kick in roughly 18 million for this year and 10ish million a year for the next 2 years for Price so they have a little wiggle room.

 

That leaves us with roughly 175 for 2020 payroll and the best chance to win a WS this year in forever.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/red-sox

 

Mind you, this has about a .01% chance of happening but this is the most reasonable way to structure a possible deal imo.

[TFRazor]

 

Now that I think about it more, this ask from the Sox is pretty laughable.
 

Never hurts to put it out there. Who knows? Some schmuck may decide to buy at your Price... (rimshot)

[oldguywithanitch]

Don't even pick up the phone if the Red Sox call. Block their number. A big NO Thank you on this deal.

[TopGunn#22]

No on a Betts and PRICE deal.  Especially the one proposed.  However, if the pitcher is SALE...I'll talk.  Anybody who's read my posts knows I've been pushing for Sale.  He's only 30 years old and has 5 years left on his contract.  He's still a VERY good pitcher.  A contract for a good SP that ends when he's 35 years old is a benefit.  The biggest problem for ANY team trying to acquire Betts is that he's probably just a one-year rental.  Some team like the Dodgers will swoop in and sign him when he's a FA.  My trade would be this:

 

Betts and Sale for

 

Rosario, Gorden, Rooker and Duran.

 

The Twins have Kiriloff and Larnach waiting to take over in a corner OF position.  They would get Sale at the top of their rotation for 5 years.  Sale is very close to Price in cost.  He's just MUCH better.  There is cost certainty and a pretty decent chance of performance certainty.  

 

The Red Sox will NOT be competing with the Yankees for at least 2 years.  They need a 2B prospect whose ready...enter Gordon.  Rosario plugs in for Betts.  Duran is the key piece, a young pitcher with a high upside.  Rooker is the kind of hitter that could thrive in Fenway.  I wouldn't offer this initially, but it's where I might eventually get to.  The Red Sox will not do better than this.  Not with Betts just a one year rental.

 

I don't think the Twins will do this.  It's just waaaay out of their character.  But it would be a HUGE statement that they're all in for 2020 and beyond.  And when Sale wins game 7 of the ALCS behind a 3-run Mookie HR in the 7th to win 3-1 and we're in the World Series facing the Dodgersit will have been a great move by the Twins FO.

[ashbury]

Rumor in the Globe has the Red Sox talking to the Padres about Betts only. Supposedly in the discussion is Wil Myers, which makes no sense to me, if the Sox are trying to cut payroll - Myers's contract prolongs the problem. OTOH Myers has played his career home games in Tampa and San Diego, and his production in Fenway might (I emphasize MIGHT) open some eyes. But to me, the pieces don't line up.

 

Chaim Bloom has a real problem to solve. When I play Out Of The Park and take over a team with this kind of payroll, there is always a sucker team I can trade the expensive parts to. Doesn't work that way in the big-boy MLB, unfortunately. He seems to be trying everything I would (in the game), but to no avail as yet.

[howieramone2]

Sale has elbow concerns until proven otherwise, and not even the large market teams are sniffing around.

[The Wise One]

 

I believe the Twins could offer the 6 you have there to every team in the league and no team would give you a good starting pitcher or even a prospect as good the 5 you wouldn't trade (except Alcala), if you only offer quantity in trades with no quality that is what you get in return.
 

For what Detroit got for Verlander, the bad 6 would have been a marked improvement in what Detroit recieved. Over Price would not bring back what Verlander brought back due to salary in a luxury tax league. A team that had quality player and that would take on that salary is likely too near the cap. Other teams would be too near the profit margin. Houston might be the only landing place. 

[The Wise One]

 

Rumor in the Globe has the Red Sox talking to the Padres about Betts only. Supposedly in the discussion is Wil Myers, which makes no sense to me, if the Sox are trying to cut payroll - Myers's contract prolongs the problem. OTOH Myers has played his career home games in Tampa and San Diego, and his production in Fenway might (I emphasize MIGHT) open some eyes. But to me, the pieces don't line up.

 

Chaim Bloom has a real problem to solve. When I play Out Of The Park and take over a team with this kind of payroll, there is always a sucker team I can trade the expensive parts to. Doesn't work that way in the big-boy MLB, unfortunately. He seems to be trying everything I would (in the game), but to no avail as yet.

If a team thinks Betts or Price is the answer to the question of who will make the team a contender there will be a trade. Betts could go in the spring, Price in a deadline deal if healthy.

[rico7961]

It was a big "JUMP" for the FO to take on the additional payroll by signing Donaldson. There is "no way" they take on any additional payroll, especially that much. You can't give up 5 players with 6 years of team control plus Rosario. Betts is a lot better than Rosario, but not that much. You're better off trading for pitching.

[Reider]

 

I wouldn't be opposed to Betts/Price for Rosario/Larnach/Duran.  Might not be my first choice, but I wouldn't hate it.

 

They've got to use their prospects to get something at some point.  Maybe wait and see who's doing good for a mid-season trade.  I wouldn't make any prospect untouchable for the right person.

Agreed, but I don't think that this is the right trade to make. Hopefully better trade options become available closer to mid-season or sooner. I am definitely not against the Twins making a trade for a good pitcher, I just want them to to be smart about it.