Front Page: Hayes: Twins To Sign Rich Hill & Homer Bailey

[HrbekRules]

If this is what is considered impact pitching I really don't want to see what dumpster diving looks like.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I agree.  They must really believe the farm is going to produce what they need.  I sure hope Graterol, Duran and Balazovic turn into something this year or next year could be brutal for us.

That said, they might be advised to return Romero to the rotation at this point.

[sweetmusicviola16]

Bring back Terry Ryan. A far better dumpster diver was he. What a joke this org is.

[Splash45]

I really like the Hill signing. Dude has a chance to be a great addition down the stretch and potentially a legit postseason starter, all with no risk. Bailey I’m fine with as the 5th starter.

[TheMatt]

Yuck. Banking on a 40 year old coming back from surgery in mid summer. What could possibly go wrong?

[darin617]

The question I have is Homer Bailey a groundball pitcher? 

[jorgenswest]

They have to wait for the season to start to place Hill on the 60 day IL. So they can't free up a roster spot until then.

I believe it is start of spring training but maybe that is what you meant be season.

[nicksaviking]

With Hill and Pineda out to begin the year, I think it's more likely the Twins swing a trade. I know the rotation could get crowded at some point, but the good teams like rotation depth and have no problem shuttling good-not-great rotation vets out to the pen when needed.

 

[wabene]

Kind of impossible to grade an off season before it is over. You really can't even access something like a mid-term grade because you don't have the full context yet. We're still 2 days away from the day they signed Cruz last year. Just sayin.

[jud6312]

I knew I saved this for a reason

 

[jrod23]

I’m bored and underwhelmed. I understand we’re not a top free agent destination, but when will that EVER change?!?!

With that said, I’m extremely excited about our pitching crop coming up. It’s healthy in numbers and healthy on the stat sheet. Just would be nice if when they cut their teeth, they do so while making a positive impact.

[howeda7]

OK. Get your frustration and sarcasm out of the way today. Tomorrow: Why Bailey is actually better than MadBaum and Hill is better than Kuechel!

[Vanimal46]

This isn’t what I envisioned impact pitching to look like. I chuckle because one of our members jud sarcastically said Bailey was going to be a Twin when everyone was still available. He didn’t know how painfully accurate he was at the time...

[Brock Beauchamp]

If the Twins went out and got someone like Price or Gray THEN make these signings, whatever. They’re fine.

 

But the visuals on this deal in the here and now make me want to throw up.

 

This is bordering on completely unacceptable territory and fans have every right to be furious.

[howeda7]

I can be OK with this if we either sign Donaldson or trade for Price. Otherwise, we're $20 million under budget dumpster diving like we never left the Dome. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

They have to wait for the season to start to place Hill on the 60 day IL. So they can't free up a roster spot until then.

 

 

I believe it is start of spring training but maybe that is what you meant be season.

 

Start of spring training is correct. We did the same with Pineda a couple years ago -- signed him in December, put him on the 60-day IL in February.

[MMMordabito]

 

The question I have is Homer Bailey a groundball pitcher? 

 

44.5% career.  Yes, but not extreme.  I would have personally paid the extra $2 mill for fly ball boy Gausman, but who knows if he wanted to come here.

[twins_89]

 

With Hill and Pineda out to begin the year, I think it's more likely the Twins swing a trade. I know the rotation could get crowded at some point, but the good teams like rotation depth and have no problem shuttling good-not-great rotation vets out to the pen when needed.

 

With Hill, Pineda, and a soon to be 34 year old Bailey, I'm not overly concerned about the rotation getting too crowded (even if another starter is added through a trade).

[bighat]

Correction: Hill's left-handed, I think the author knows that too but it lists him as a right-hander.

 

Bailey's kind of a filler guy, seems to be a Gibson clone. Hill's best years are behind him. Twins appear to be happy to try and keep the ship afloat with bubble gum and duct tape. White Sox fans are breathing a sigh of relief.

[MMMordabito]

Is it too soon to make jokes about Target Field's fanny pack policy?

[jud6312]

 

This isn’t what I envisioned impact pitching to look like. I chuckle because one of our members jud sarcastically said Bailey was going to be a Twin when everyone was still available. He didn’t know how painfully accurate he was at the time...

 

As soon as I started reading the "this is why Homer Bailey is better than everyone not named Cole and Strasburg" stuff, I knew it was happening. I stand by my theory of there having been a leak from inside. Too random to happen to select that one particular pitcher and write about him.

[ashbury]

I missed that Hill had surgery after the season. I saw that he had come back and pitched in September, and thought he'd be good to go. That leaves Opening Day still a mess for the rotation, even adding Bailey as a stopgap. I see the point for signing Bailey, I really don't for Hill.

[nicksaviking]

 

OK. Get your frustration and sarcasm out of the way today. Tomorrow: Why Bailey is actually better than MadBaum and Hill is better than Kuechel!

 

I'm not sure if that last bit was also sarcasm, but yeah, I wanted nothing to do with Kuechel and next to nothing to do with Bumgarner, so I do prefer this.

 

Not that I won't be upset if there still isn't a trade for an arm for the front of the rotation.

[Harrison Greeley III]

Only 35 starting pitchers posted a higher WAR in 2019 than Bailey's 2.9. He was ahead of Jon Lester, Robbie Ray, Yu Darvish, Sandy Alcantara, and Wade Miley among others. Madison Bumgarner posted a 3.2 in comparison.

Whether you want to perceive it or not, Homer Bailey is an 'impact' pitching signing and a really great move by this front office.

 

[SwainZag]

A lot of hand wringing for them signing 2 pitchers AND it's only New Years.  Hill could have a big impact when he comes back mid-season and Bailey is a depth back of the rotation type arm.  There is still plenty of time to swing a trade, it's not Opening Day.

 

Now sign Donaldson and swing a trade for another SP.

[MMMordabito]

 

I'm not sure if that last bit was also sarcasm, but yeah, I wanted nothing to do with Kuechel and next to nothing to do with Bumgarner, so I do prefer this.

 

Not that I won't be upset if there still isn't a trade for an arm for the front of the rotation.

 

Yeah, Kuechel would challenge the single season BABIP record with the current INF defense. Zero interest here as well.

[howeda7]

I seriously doubt there will be a trade coming. But if there is, it makes sense to do the signing first. They might not be so eager to sign if we just traded for Price/Gray/Archer etc. Especially Hill.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

Already reading how great this splitter is and how it is revitalized his career.

 

Just like Blake Parker for the Twins in 2019...

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

If the Twins went out and got someone like Price or Gray THEN make these signings, whatever. They’re fine.

But the visuals on this deal in the here and now make me want to throw up.

This is bordering on completely unacceptable territory and fans have every right to be furious.

Sad thing, and truth, is that there will be people that try and swing these deals as being significant.

 

Sad, really.

[Otto von Ballpark]

From the other thread:

 

 

Kind of impossible to grade an off season before it is over. You really can't even access something like a mid-term grade because you don't have the full context yet. We're still 2 days away from the day they signed Cruz last year. Just sayin.

 

True, although Cruz was just a 1 year FA deal himself. And after Cruz, we signed Parker, Perez, and Marwin -- interesting moves but probably of limited impact.

 

I wouldn't say that example suggests a lot more "impact" activity remains this winter.