So what should the Twins do now?

[Twodogs]

Now that the main free agents are gone, what should the Twins do? I mean we have all bitched and complained but after awhile we have to get away from that and figure out and hope for some solutions. My thoughts are along the lines of cheap value buys where one or a couple of them bounce back or turn out. The Twins should be able to get these guys real inexpensive and they would only be a stop gap because the Twins will need to develop someone to lead them to the world series. My thoughts are this

SP Walker, has pitched in the American league, has been hurt, sign to a one or two year deal.

 

SP Wood, has had a good season or two, has been injured quite frequently as of late, a player that needs to bet on himself.

 

SP Homer Bailey, one year contract, brought in to compete for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation. Loser out goes and becomes a long man in the BP

 

RP Betances, I feel this would be the Twins one big signing as I think he would be rather expensive, but worth it to help out the back end of the BP

 

2B Scooter Gennett. He was cut by the Giants, he could be out Schoop type of signing. One year removed from hitting .310 with 20+ HRs

 

Gennett could play 2nd move Arraez to 3rd, Sano to 1st. Or just put Gennett at 1st? He should come relatively cheap.

 

What do you guys think? I know they are all reaches.

 

Berrios

Odorizzi

Wood

Walker

Bailey

Smeltzer

Dobnak

Thorpe/Romero

 

BP

May

Romo

Clippard

Duffy

Little

Betances

Rogers

 

C Garver

1B Sano

2B Gennett

3B Araez

SS Polanco

LF Rosario

CF Buxton

RF Kepler

DH Cruz

[tarheeltwinsfan]

Betances is gone .

[Mike Sixel]

Not a fan of any remaining free agents. IMO, they have to trade for a number three or better at this point. But I have no idea who is available.

 

No Mets or Reds are imo. No Yankees, Rays, Astros, Rangers, Angels. No Brewers, or Cards. No dodgers, Padres. No White Sox.

 

Not sure what that leaves. I doubt Minnesota and Cleveland deal. Most of the rest of the teams don't have good pitchers.

 

Archer, Gray, Sale, Price, Boyd, and um? I don't even know if any of those other than Price is available. I'm guessing you have to pay Price 20 million a year for three years....

 

So, good luck.

[ashbury]

Now that the main free agents are gone, what should the Twins do?

Isn't that basically the question asked in this long-ago article?

 

Front Page: Ryu To Sign with Toronto. Now What?

[jctwins]

Sell the team to new owners that care about winning.

 

 

[Linus]

Not a fan of any remaining free agents. IMO, they have to trade for a number three or better at this point. But I have no idea who is available.

 

No Mets or Reds are imo. No Yankees, Rays, Astros, Rangers, Angels. No Brewers, or Cards. No dodgers, Padres. No White Sox.

 

Not sure what that leaves. I doubt Minnesota and Cleveland deal. Most of the rest of the teams don't have good pitchers.

 

Archer, Gray, Sale, Price, Boyd, and um? I don't even know if any of those other than Price is available. I'm guessing you have to pay Price 20 million a year for three years....

 

So, good luck.

This. All the people saying that we can fall back on the trade market need to realize that it isn’t endless. This is also why I hate the strategy of waiting until the trade deadline when the options are even slimmer

[HawksNest]

 

Now that the main free agents are gone, what should the Twins do? I mean we have all bitched and complained but after awhile we have to get away from that and figure out and hope for some solutions. My thoughts are along the lines of cheap value buys where one or a couple of them bounce back or turn out. The Twins should be able to get these guys real inexpensive and they would only be a stop gap because the Twins will need to develop someone to lead them to the world series. My thoughts are this
SP Walker, has pitched in the American league, has been hurt, sign to a one or two year deal.

SP Wood, has had a good season or two, has been injured quite frequently as of late, a player that needs to bet on himself.

SP Homer Bailey, one year contract, brought in to compete for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation. Loser out goes and becomes a long man in the BP

RP Betances, I feel this would be the Twins one big signing as I think he would be rather expensive, but worth it to help out the back end of the BP

2B Scooter Gennett. He was cut by the Giants, he could be out Schoop type of signing. One year removed from hitting .310 with 20+ HRs

Gennett could play 2nd move Arraez to 3rd, Sano to 1st. Or just put Gennett at 1st? He should come relatively cheap.

What do you guys think? I know they are all reaches.

Berrios
Odorizzi
Wood
Walker
Bailey
Smeltzer
Dobnak
Thorpe/Romero

BP
May
Romo
Clippard
Duffy
Little
Betances
Rogers

C Garver
1B Sano
2B Gennett
3B Araez
SS Polanco
LF Rosario
CF Buxton
RF Kepler
DH Cruz

 

It’s so frustrating that we are even talking about “cheap”, “inexpensive”, “value buys”.

 

This team won 101 games, is young, $30-40 million below the low end of what it should be spending, and just blew open its competitive window.  Ps, we have like $15 million committed beyond next year and seemingly unlimited prospect capital to swing pretty much any deal imaginable (if willing to pull the trigger)

 

But the front office has left us to talk about crumbs and scrap heap players.  Expectations being ratcheted down weekly.

 

its not all about payroll.  Spending does not equal winning.  But the FO has shown zero willingness to trade prospects for impact pitching.  Last trade deadline we KNEW we needed pitching for the playoffs and for this season and they did NOTHING.  I’m expecting next to nothing on the trade market, every team knows we’re desperate.  We’re in a terrible negotiating position.

 

Make a move and get back to me.  Otherwise it’s all talk and same old, same old.

 

(this criticism isn’t directed at OP, but rather the FO)

[twinfan]

I would never, never, never trade for Price. Maybe Robbie Ray but never Price. I would sign Bailey and Harvey and hope for the best. Hopefully we have enough hitting to cover any pitching shortages. And why not try May or even Duffy as starters. Anything goes right now. I'm more concerned about losing both Schoop and Cron. We should have kept Schoop.

[Mr. Brooks]

I would never, never, never trade for Price. Maybe Robbie Ray but never Price. I would sign Bailey and Harvey and hope for the best. Hopefully we have enough hitting to cover any pitching shortages. And why not try May or even Duffy as starters. Anything goes right now. I'm more concerned about losing both Schoop and Cron. We should have kept Schoop.

If anything goes right now, then why are you never never ever trading for Price?

 

Schoop was a free agent. After losing his job midseason, and being relegated to emergency back up in the playoffs, I can't imagine any chance he'd have any interest in returning to the Twins.

[Twodogs]

It’s so frustrating that we are even talking about “cheap”, “inexpensive”, “value buys”.

 

This team won 101 games, is young, $30-40 million below the low end of what it should be spending, and just blew open its competitive window. Ps, we have like $15 million committed beyond next year and seemingly unlimited prospect capital to swing pretty much any deal imaginable (if willing to pull the trigger)

 

But the front office has left us to talk about crumbs and scrap heap players. Expectations being ratcheted down weekly.

 

its not all about payroll. Spending does not equal winning. But the FO has shown zero willingness to trade prospects for impact pitching. Last trade deadline we KNEW we needed pitching for the playoffs and for this season and they did NOTHING. I’m expecting next to nothing on the trade market, every team knows we’re desperate. We’re in a terrible negotiating position.

 

Make a move and get back to me. Otherwise it’s all talk and same old, same old.

 

(this criticism isn’t directed at OP, but rather the FO)

Yeah I get it, but they didn't do anything that all of us were hoping for, ie Wheeler, etc... So that is why I started to think about scrap heap guys. Don't get me wrong I would have much rather had Wheeler, but he is gone, so is Betances now also for that matter. It stinks, but have to move on and use the scrap heap guys to get us through this season.

[Musk21]

I know this is not what any of us were hoping for, but here is a article of '10 Relatively Youthful Bounceback Pitching Targets:'

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/9-relatively-youthful-bounceback-pitching-targets.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

 

[lukeduke1980]

Mitch Moreland and Kevin Pillar might be nice defensive additions.  You wouldn't plan on them to get a lot of playing time but I'm sure with injuries they'd end up with 350 PA each, a lot of DRS.  Sano plays some 3rd, some 1st.  Marwin plays some 3rd.  

 

Injuries happen, competent depth is really nice to have.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I know this is not what any of us were hoping for, but here is a article of '10 Relatively Youthful Bounceback Pitching Targets:'

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/9-relatively-youthful-bounceback-pitching-targets.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

I think one of these guys would be great adds late in the offseason to compete for the 5th starter role. The prerequisite would be to trade for a 3rd starter or better.

[howeda7]

 

Not a fan of any remaining free agents. IMO, they have to trade for a number three or better at this point. But I have no idea who is available.

No Mets or Reds are imo. No Yankees, Rays, Astros, Rangers, Angels. No Brewers, or Cards. No dodgers, Padres. No White Sox.

Not sure what that leaves. I doubt Minnesota and Cleveland deal. Most of the rest of the teams don't have good pitchers.

Archer, Gray, Sale, Price, Boyd, and um? I don't even know if any of those other than Price is available. I'm guessing you have to pay Price 20 million a year for three years....

So, good luck.

Yep. Price is the only one that you won't have to overpay for in prospects. So either we overpay in prospects for Gray or Boyd or we overpay in salary for broken down David Price. It's a fine corner they've painted themselves into.

[Battle ur tail off]

Not alot of options left I'd say. 

 

The best move they can probably make anymore would be to trade for a couple 4th and 5th starters. Honestly, you know that is what will happen. 

 

It's probably not worth giving up anyone in our top 3 for the type of starter that is available out there in a trade. Unless there is a way to get into the Mets rotation, I don't see moving any of those top 3 guys for a guy like Gray from Colorado or Ray from Arizona as a win for the organization as a whole. Dipping into Miami's young guys MIGHT be worth it if you think one of them has a chance to be that top 1-2 starter type.

 

Bring in Price if they eat half the money, we give them a pick from a list of 2-3 guys that are lottery tickets. 

 

Sign a washup and have them fight for a spot. Give the other spot to a combo platter of our minor league guys. 

 

They missed a huge opportunity last year in regards to Thor. Everyone knows one of Buxton, Lewis, Kiriloff or Graterol +  2 lower end prospects would have done it. Of course, none of us really cared because back them and shrugged it off because we knew there were piles of #2-3 starters set to hit free agency and our team had PILES of money to spend. 

 

[howeda7]

I'd offer the Redsox someone between 15-20 in the system in exchange for giving us $7 million this year and $17 million for 2021 and 2022 with Price. We would pay him $25 million this year (may as well, we have nothing else to spend it on) and then would only be on the hook for $15 million/year for 2021 and 2022. The Redsox get big relief this year, which is the primary concern. I'd then sign Wood as well, hoping that both of them can last at least until Pineda comes back and at least one of them can be there in the play-offs.

[jorgenswest]

 

Yep. Price is the only one that you won't have to overpay for in prospects. So either we overpay in prospects for Gray or Boyd or we overpay in salary for broken down David Price. It's a fine corner they've painted themselves into.

 

Starting pitching is always a premium. Price has a significant contract cost. Boyd and Gray have a significant prospect cost with a starting value around Kirilloff.

 

I don't see it is overpaying though. It is the cost of starting pitching. I hope the Twins enter that market one more time after adding Pineda and Odorizzi this offseason. 

 

The Twins have the prospect capital to pay up and get one more starter.

[Twodogs]

What would the projected contract values of Alex Wood and Taijuan Walker be??

 

Wood made pretty good change for Cincinnati, but I don't think Walker has made very much.

 

Could they get Wood on a 1 year 5 million dollar deal with a club option for a second year at 8 mill?

 

Walker could he be got for 2 years 10 mill? Or am I way too low or too high?