Front Page: Trading for a Young Starter: Sandy Alcantara

[jorgenswest]

One more from baseball trade values...

 

Larnach straight up for Alcantara.

 

With Kirilloff and Larnach this might be the winter to trade one of those corner pieces for a controllable starting pitcher. Kirilloff would bring a better pitcher if one is available.

[AZTwin]

A package of Gordon, Duran, and Rooker sounds like a decent starting point. Marlins get a younger replacement for Alcantara, that probably fits better with their timeline of contention, and two potential everyday players for the right side of their infield. Probably could add a lottery ticket like Sands to the deal, but maybe they’d want more certainty in a young bullpen arm like Littell.

Starting point?? Duran wouldn’t be traded for Sandy straight up. Nor would Rooker. Sandy projects as back the rotation or bullpen type

Edited November 16, 2019 by AZTwin

[ChrisKnutson]

Starting point?? Duran wouldn’t be traded for Sandy straight up. Nor would Rooker. Sandy projects as back the rotation or bullpen type

 

I think I worded that incorrectly, I meant I think that the offer I proposed might be right around what it would take to get a deal done. However, I don’t disagree that that might be an overpayment, although I think Alcantara’s potential is worth overpaying for. I mean, he is a first time all-star with 5 years of control left... Personally, if all it took was Duran, I’d seriously think about pulling the trigger; leaving Gordon and Rooker for another trade (maybe another starter).

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Starting point?? Duran wouldn’t be traded for Sandy straight up. Nor would Rooker. Sandy projects as back the rotation or bullpen type

I would value Duran more. Rooker? Probably not. Corner outfielders are more fungible than 4th starters.

[Tom Froemming]

Trying to project trade values is nearly impossible, but I think a good way to try to test ideas is by imagining you were a fan of the other team you're dealing with.

 

The Marlins are a rebuilding team that lost 105 games. Alcantara was their second-best player and won't become a free agent until 2025. He's one of the few building blocks that org has who's shown he can produce at the MLB level. Why trade him? Only if you make for damn sure you're getting excess value in return.

 

Not sure this actually matters anymore in Miami, but trading him for a player in the lower levels would send such a terrible message. If I was a Marlins fan, I'd at least want someone who's had success at the Double-A level. Someone who could potentially contribute sometime in 2019. Actually, probably more than one of those guys.

 

Is there a match with the Twins? Again, it's nearly impossible to say for certain, but I'd prefer to use those assets to acquire more of a known commodity at this stage of the Twins' competitive cycle.

[goulik]

If Wes Johnson and the brain trust see something they could tweak, a guy that throws complete games and has 197 inning seasons would definitely be worth a #6-#10 prospect. Especially for a young guy still learning.

Too many people think what a rookie player shows is their best. Usually you don’t know what you got until years 3-5. After a meeting with my pitching gurus, I’d make the proposed trade

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Trying to project trade values is nearly impossible, but I think a good way to try to test ideas is by imagining you were a fan of the other team you're dealing with.

 

The Marlins are a rebuilding team that lost 105 games. Alcantara was their second-best player and won't become a free agent until 2025. He's one of the few building blocks that org has who's shown he can produce at the MLB level. Why trade him? Only if you make for damn sure you're getting excess value in return.

 

Not sure this actually matters anymore in Miami, but trading him for a player in the lower levels would send such a terrible message. If I was a Marlins fan, I'd at least want someone who's had success at the Double-A level. Someone who could potentially contribute sometime in 2019. Actually, probably more than one of those guys.

 

Is there a match with the Twins? Again, it's nearly impossible to say for certain, but I'd prefer to use those assets to acquire more of a known commodity at this stage of the Twins' competitive cycle.

Who then would you propose Tom?

 

What I would hate to see is us overpay in trade for a proven commodity, Robbie Ray is one example that comes to my mind. Or continuing to fill our rotation with dregs such as Martin Perez. Hopefully we can sign a Cole or a Wheeler along with a Pineda or a Hamels and feel at ease about the rotation.

[Doctor Wu]

 

Just being honest, I know nothing about the Marlins. I just don't pay attention to them. So I know pretty much nothing about Alcantara either. But this is the kind of thinking they should be employing. While peripherals may be poor, he showed improvement, is young, controllable and high velocity is always good. Im betting Johnson would love to work with all of that. But there remains real questions here. I'm thinking 1 top 10 guy and 1 in the second 10 and maybe a toss in. Fair? Too high?

That's pretty much my thinking too. I don't know much about Alcantara but these are the types of not-so-flashy trades that the Twins need to make at this point, hoping for another Odorizzi or something even more impressive. Gotta take the chance and even give up some good prospects, but we need more arms.