Danny Salazar for the Twins?

[darin617]

He could be another buy low candidate that could be 2020's version of the Martin Perez signing. Health has been an issue with him for the last few years.

 

Maybe turning him into an 8th inning type of guy or even a closer could be the right way to turn his career around. Also can motivate him to face Cleveland that probably over used him and slowed if not ended his career.

[biggentleben]

Probably should be in the Twins second, not other baseball, but I will say that the industry consensus is that Salazar makes so much sense for the Astros that it's almost comical.

 

I'll go outside that assumption and say that with Callaway in the fold with the Angels, Salazar could be a very interesting pickup there. Salazar pitched well with Callaway but seemed to struggle with Mickey's replacements in Cleveland.

[darin617]

I never seem to pick the right forum it seems. Danny Salazar could be a great buy low candidate for the 2020 Twins.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Also can motivate him to face Cleveland that probably over used him and slowed if not ended his career.

Unless you think he should have never been a starter, I can't see any argument that Cleveland over-used Salazar. His only significant professional IP jump was in MLB debut season, going from 88 to 149. Since then: 170, 191, 140, 121, 0, 24.

[Greglw3]

I would say Yes as a 5th starter candidate only or bullpen.  I like his experience over Dobnak, Thorpe, etc.  The big unknown is Graterol as a 5th starter.  Depending on how things break, Graterol could be preferable there, or Salazar might have a bounce back season in him.

[mikelink45]

Not excited.  I want the team to concentrate on high quality.  I want pitchers you want to have pitch in NY in the playoffs.  Is that Danny Salazar?

[Rosterman]

The Twins have to make a decision if they are also-rans, building towards a team dominated by their prospects, or if they want to make a push further into the post-season for 2020. Salazar is a place-holder, be it in the bullpen or the rotation. They can spend lots of money, like they did in 2019, on pieces that may or may not play out. Of course, spending BIG MONEY doesn't ensure production.

 

They need a back-up catcher, make a decision on who's on first (or third), solidify the backup infielder, figure out the future outfield (i.e. Rosario gone and who plys there), add a REAL closer and another significant bullpen arm, plus a couple of solid callup guys for AAA ball. Plus, add 3 bonifide rotation arms, be they one-year winners or long-term assets. They can afford one "rookie" in the rotation and have Thorpe, Dobnak and Smeltzer as the current placeholders, plus whatever the decision is on Graterol (who I predict will start as a starter at AAA Rochester).

 

The Twins do have $70 million to send, That is a lot of money. They should spend it, because winning will only increase the value of the franchise!

[Vanimal46]

Probably should be in the Twins second, not other baseball, but I will say that the industry consensus is that Salazar makes so much sense for the Astros that it's almost comical.

 

I'll go outside that assumption and say that with Callaway in the fold with the Angels, Salazar could be a very interesting pickup there. Salazar pitched well with Callaway but seemed to struggle with Mickey's replacements in Cleveland.

Yep it's really easy to see the stars aligning with Salazar in Houston. They'll pick him up for peanuts and build him back to a 5-6 WAR pitcher...

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Not excited.  I want the team to concentrate on high quality.  I want pitchers you want to have pitch in NY in the playoffs.  Is that Danny Salazar?

Salazar pitched in NY in the playoffs once, as a reliever in 2017 -- came in with the bases loaded and escaped the jam, and got 5 outs of his own too. Did allow a runner on his own throwing error, which a subsequent reliever allowed to score.

[mikelink45]

 

Salazar pitched in NY in the playoffs once, as a reliever in 2017 -- came in with the bases loaded and escaped the jam, and got 5 outs of his own too. Did allow a runner on his own throwing error, which a subsequent reliever allowed to score.

Is he the same pitcher now?  Would you expect this outcome in 2020?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Is he the same pitcher now?  Would you expect this outcome in 2020?

Yes, those are the big questions. If he's still in reasonable health, I expect there will be no shortage of teams willing to give him a chance to find out next year, and I wouldn't mind the Twins being among them -- as long as our offseason strategy is not overly-reliant on him!

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Good topic, wrong forum. I moved it to the Twins forum and updated the title.

 

I’d be very interested in Salazar as 5th starter. Lots of upside, but risk to go with him.

[darin617]

 

Good topic, wrong forum. I moved it to the Twins forum and updated the title.

I’d be very interested in Salazar as 5th starter. Lots of upside, but risk to go with him.

Thanks, I thought since he's not a member of the Twins it should be in other baseball. I'm looking for the low cost high reward possible signing.  

Jordan Lyles is another name that should be considered as well.

[sweetmusicviola16]

When you have as many holes to fill as the Twins you almost have to sign a couple of bounce back candidates. I have no issue signing Salazar, as long as its not a guaranteed deal.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

 

When you have as many holes to fill as the Twins you almost have to sign a couple of bounce back candidates. I have no issue signing Salazar, as long as its not a guaranteed deal.

Major league deals are guaranteed. Would you propose a minor league deal? Do you thin,m Salazar would sign one? Or maybe a Major League minimum laded with incentives?

[Diesel]

He looked really rough this year. No velocity and little movement. A minor league contract with a spring training invite and a bonus for making the roster seems about right.

[darin617]

 

He looked really rough this year. No velocity and little movement. A minor league contract with a spring training invite and a bonus for making the roster seems about right.

We thought the same thing about Anibal Sanchez when the Twins brought him in. Not every guy is going to have a comeback like Sanchez did. Doesn't hurt to bring in a few lottery tickets and hope.

[Thrylos]

Salazar lost about 10 mph in his fastball.  Change up was his best pitch and that was about 10 mph slower than his FB.  Now it is about 6-7. Very hard to reinvent himself after such a change, even if he throws 100% changeups because those are now in the mid 70s, and unless you have something that you can change from, can be batting practice pitches.

Should they sign him to a MiLB contract with a ST invite?  Sure.  But expecting anything and counting on him makes no sense...

[In My La Z boy]

I blame Terry Ryan for this even being a discussed topic. This is the winter to sign expensive top of the rotation talent. No flyers this winter please. We are too good to play around. Picking and poking through the trash heap was a favored off season pastime of the former regime. I hope we have moved past this. We have plenty of our own flyers to pick and poke around with in AA & AAA. All estimates say we have around 70M to spend. That sounds like plenty of runway to land some firepower.

[nicksaviking]

 

I blame Terry Ryan for this even being a discussed topic. This is the winter to sign expensive top of the rotation talent. No flyers this winter please. We are too good to play around. Picking and poking through the trash heap was a favored off season pastime of the former regime. I hope we have moved past this. We have plenty of our own flyers to pick and poke around with in AA & AAA. All estimates say we have around 70M to spend. That sounds like plenty of runway to land some firepower.

 

No flyers? If the Astros didn't take any "flyers" their team wouldn't have Robinson Chirnos, Wade Miley, Will Harris or Colin McHugh. 

 

The Nationals wouldn't have Matt Adams, Brian Dozier, Howie Kendrick or Kurt Suzuki. 

 

You're not going to build a team without some low cost veterans. Every team does it, not just teams with Terry Ryan as a GM.

 

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Major league deals are guaranteed. Would you propose a minor league deal? Do you thin,m Salazar would sign one? Or maybe a Major League minimum laded with incentives?

 milb deal for Salazar. Then minimum if he makes the team and incentives after that. I can't see any team giving Salazar anything more than an milb, he's pitched 1 game in the last 2 seasons combined. 

 

But I still have no issue in signing guys like this to make good deals. It causes no harm to the team and allows the player to showcase his talents to the rest of the league. Win win

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I blame Terry Ryan for this even being a discussed topic. This is the winter to sign expensive top of the rotation talent. No flyers this winter please. We are too good to play around. Picking and poking through the trash heap was a favored off season pastime of the former regime. I hope we have moved past this. We have plenty of our own flyers to pick and poke around with in AA & AAA. All estimates say we have around 70M to spend. That sounds like plenty of runway to land some firepower.

 

This... this... THIS...

 

Seriously, we won 101 games last year. Get something that propels this team forward, not a project. 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

No flyers? If the Astros didn't take any "flyers" their team wouldn't have Robinson Chirnos, Wade Miley, Will Harris or Colin McHugh. 

 

The Nationals wouldn't have Matt Adams, Brian Dozier, Howie Kendrick or Kurt Suzuki. 

 

You're not going to build a team without some low cost veterans. Every team does it, not just teams with Terry Ryan as a GM.

 

This team has about 70M to spend. That's enough to get Cole, Pineda, Will Smith, and Castro if we so chose.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

 milb deal for Salazar. Then minimum if he makes the team and incentives after that. I can't see any team giving Salazar anything more than an milb, he's pitched 1 game in the last 2 seasons combined. 

 

But I still have no issue in signing guys like this to make good deals. It causes no harm to the team and allows the player to showcase his talents to the rest of the league. Win win

 

This I'd be fine with... make him earn it...

[Richie the Rally Goat]

This team has about 70M to spend. That's enough to get Cole, Pineda, Will Smith, and Castro if we so chose.

a rotation of Cole, Berrios, Odorizzi, Pineda, Dobnak would be a great rotation. I’m absolutely behind this.

 

A minor league deal for Salazar doesn’t impede your plan.

 

A rotation of Cole, Berrios, Odorizzi, the 2016 version of Salazar, Pineda is great and deep for a long post season run

[Old Twins Cap]

I see what you did there.

 

Talking Salazar and Twins rotation, and now, just like that, it's headed up by Gerritt Cole.

 

Gotta be hot stove, certainly cold enough.

[darin617]

 

This team has about 70M to spend. That's enough to get Cole, Pineda, Will Smith, and Castro if we so chose.

The only problem with this is why would Cole come here. Along with the fact he will command a 6-8 year deal 35M+ a year. I will pass on that. We got lucky that Jake Arrietta and Yu Darvish passed on the Twins offers. By the way, how did those contracts turn out for the teams?

[nicksaviking]

This team has about 70M to spend. That's enough to get Cole, Pineda, Will Smith, and Castro if we so chose.

You’re still two starters and swing man short of a full roster.

[In My La Z boy]

 

You’re still two starters and swing man short of a full roster.

We know Cole isn't happening - really not sure if we can lure the 2nd tier either, and I do agree a Darvish or an Arrietta would have been painful. Minnesota is not the usual destination of choice for these guys, but this winter we have an offense to brag on and to utilize, to draw some names that normally go the the east or west coast. I would think a Madbum or a Wheeler would feel confident in giving consideration to Minnesota for an excellent chance at a World Series run. In my opinion, going hard after both of these guys is a must this offseason. 

[MABB1959]

In all of this I can't help but wonder if Dozier will get picked up.  He still seems so young.