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Mike Sixel

By Mike Sixel
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I remember in April 2018 my Cardinals played the Mets in early 2018 and Degrom and Noah Syndergaard dominated the first two games of the year. The Mets got off to a 11-1 start with their only loss to the Cardinals in Game 3 of the season. They ended up 77-85. Wheeler was on this team.

 

Oh deGrom won the Cy Young with a 10-9 record. If everything clicks for the Mets they sometimes win division titles, but, usually fall back to mediocrity which is their history since they won the World Series in 1969 and 1986.

 

So on paper the Mets pitching looks good, but, following their history their two top pitchers may only have .500 records.

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I don't know if this is the right thread for this or if its been mentioned on TD, Don Larsen died yesterday. He is the only pitcher to ever throw a perfect game/no hitter in World Series history. He did so for the Yankees in 1956. Against the Dodgers? I believe. He finished his career a not so great 81-91 overall.

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I remember in April 2018 my Cardinals played the Mets in early 2018 and Degrom and Noah Syndergaard dominated the first two games of the year. The Mets got off to a 11-1 start with their only loss to the Cardinals in Game 3 of the season. They ended up 77-85. Wheeler was on this team.

Oh deGrom won the Cy Young with a 10-9 record. If everything clicks for the Mets they sometimes win division titles, but, usually fall back to mediocrity which is their history since they won the World Series in 1969 and 1986.

So on paper the Mets pitching looks good, but, following their history their two top pitchers may only have .500 records.

 

So deGrom didn't "win" enough games to earn the Cy Young in 2018? I suppose that 1.70 ERA probably should have been .70 so he could have gotten a few more wins. 

 

Though looking at the game logs, I guess he's most at fault for not hitting better in the games he was pitching considering the Mets scored 1 or fewer runs in 12 of his 32 starts.

 

W/L records for pitchers just isn't an effective measure of a pitcher's ability.

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I’m suing Twins Daily $50 million for ruining my free time!

 

Ooof, I started off reading that article and had a hard time not chuckling out loud at work; the author sure writes it up as a bit of a laugh. But the more I read, the more uncomfortable I felt about laughing, it sure sounds like he needs some serious help.

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Ooof, I started off reading that article and had a hard time not chuckling out loud at work; the author sure writes it up as a bit of a laugh. But the more I read, the more uncomfortable I felt about laughing, it sure sounds like he needs some serious help.

I'm not much of an expert on civil law. Is there such thing as a 'reverse' class-action suit? If so, I need to sue about 100,000 guys for ruining my professional baseball career back in the early 80's.

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I’m suing Twins Daily $50 million for ruining my free time!

 

This guy doesn't seem like the right poster boy for this issue.

 

However... Moving on from this guy and on to hypothetical legitimate cases. 

 

When a team controls your rights. The club can absolutely be the reason for a MLB capable baseball player not playing in the major leagues. 

 

If a team controls your rights, they promote you through the system at their discretion. The prospect can't get out of an impossible situation to sign with another club with a greater need for that prospect. 

 

A minor league coach making a bad assessment can hold him back. A guy could hit .300 plus in the minors while a coach is writing reports that it won't translate to the majors. This coach may be wrong but unless you are given the chance to prove him wrong... he is right and nobody would be the wiser. 

 

Getting rostered behind a Derek Jeter and A-Rod in front of him can hold a prospect back. The CBA practically demands that teams store depth in the minor leagues until they can't anymore and by the time they are able to become a minor league free agent... too much valuable time is lost along with a stigma. 

 

In almost any other profession, You and I have the right to pursue a better opportunity for ourselves. If an impossible supervisor doesn't like the way I salt the french fries at Burger King or if 3 management options are ahead of me when I'd like to advance into a management position at Burger King. I can apply at McDonalds for the open manager job they are posting and get away from the things that are blocking me at Burger King.

 

Minor league baseball players do not have this option. They are drafted (by a team not of their choosing) and held (by the team that chose them). 

 

I'm not talking about the top 100 prospects... those guys get their chance. 

 

I am absolutely convinced that MLB capable players have died on the vine due to team control and discretion. I won't attempt to name any because these things happen without fanfare. 

 

This guy just isn't the right poster boy for this. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You had me until you suggested Burger King salts their fries. They don't, which is why they taste like gym socks.

 

Also, I think Anthony Slama would request to be your poster boy.

And more recently, you can argue Jake Reed. Always had the stuff, and he’s been relatively healthy the last 2 seasons. Now he’s 27 and another year away from being someone’s AAA filler for the rest of his career.

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After missing out on Donaldson, the Braves ink CF Marcell Ozuna for a 1 year, $18M deal. Seems like a bit much for a guy who hasn't topped .800 OPS since 2017, but it's that 2017 season of his (.924 OPS, 37 HRs) that they'll be hoping to get.

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He's had shoulder issues. Perhaps if he has a good year he'll get someone to sign him for 4 years and $92 million since strains are no big deal for professional athletes.

 

Everyone thought Ozuna was getting more years. At least he is younger than 30.

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Essentially how the Braves got Donaldson last offseason.

 

The details on the bidding for Donaldson have been incredible. The public details are juicy enough, but some of the things beyond that indicate that the Twins and Braves were both dwarfed in their offers, but Donaldson was appalled by the structure of the deal. He also had a very high AAV offer for 2 years that he turned down with a team that was never in rumors for him. Crazy stuff.

 

Ozuna fits and doesn't hurt long-term financial flexibility for the Braves. Atlanta has also ramped up discussions with a few teams on infield options. This could end up being nothing before the season, but it could put the Braves in the driver's seat in July, as they were with the Giants ant Tigers when they'd already had talks on the prices for players on their clubs coming into 2019, nearly making a deal for one Tiger pitcher before the season until Detroit pulled out at the last second. That made negotiations go quickly when the team moved off their primary target of Pittsburgh (thank goodness that didn't work out) midseason and began looking for bullpen arms. The team may not have a new 3B before the season, but prices are getting set for a potential mid-season buy if Riley/Camargo aren't the hot corner solution.

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Crazy stuff.

Doesn't seem that crazy to me, just good business people trying different approaches to see which one appeals most to the player, within each team's own forecasts - of the player, of their own financial situation for each of the next several years.

 

"Want to bet on yourself? Here's a high-value one-year deal, and you can try again in 2021. Bet on yourself, but with a more solid floor? Two years at somewhat less per year. This will be your last contract? Here's a four-year deal... OK, OK, we'll tack on a little more as a guarantee for a fifth year. Want maximum total contract value? Fine, but we need to spread it out until your grandchildren retire."

 

All just different ways to skin the cat.

 

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