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Rays are getting top 100 prospect Xavier Edwards as well. It’s about the similar value as I suggested for Eddie Rosario but everyone thought I was crazy

Renfroe is making the league minimum and has 4 years of team control left. And is arguably better than Rosario.

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Renfroe is making the league minimum and has 4 years of team control left. And is arguably better than Rosario.

The top 100 prospect was traded *with* Renfroe. So I think the poster is comparing Rosario to Pham.

 

Although Pham is arguably better than both Renfroe and Rosario, even without looking at Rosario's suspect defensive metrics. Pham has a career 129 wRC+, Rosario and Refroe each at 105.

 

Pham is a few years older, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down too much -- coming off a 121 wRC+, compared to Rosario at 103 and Refroe at 98. Pham also added 25 SBs. Even at his age, Pham looks like the better bet over the next 2 years.

 

Hence why Pham could cost the cheap Renfroe plus a top 100 prospect.

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Similar, but as much as I like Eddie, I think Pham's ability to get on base consistently would make him a fair bit more attractive to other clubs than Rosario.

Correct. In other words, Eddie is a nice player, but not overly valuable in the trade market... Pham is a much better hitter, much.

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Correct. In other words, Eddie is a nice player, but not overly valuable in the trade market... Pham is a much better hitter, much.

 

Pham is a better hitter, but much is probably a stretch.  He is certainly a more well rounded hitter with the walks he takes.

 

Pham last season:    .273/.369/.450   33 2B, 21 HR, 123 K in 654 PA

Rosario last season:  .276/.300/.500  28 2B, 32 HR, 86 K in 590 PA

 

Pham is 3+ years older than Eddie too.

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Lost in this, if this was a cost cutting move by TB, that's just horrible. I don't care that this team still wins despite it's frugal ways, they have the lowest payroll in the sport. MLB needs to stop helping these owners try procure new stadiums in their cities, they need to help the cities procure new owners for their teams.

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Pham is a better hitter, but much is probably a stretch. He is certainly a more well rounded hitter with the walks he takes.

 

Pham last season: .273/.369/.450 33 2B, 21 HR, 123 K in 654 PA

Rosario last season: .276/.300/.500 28 2B, 32 HR, 86 K in 590 PA

 

Pham is 3+ years older than Eddie too.

Well said.

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Pham is a better hitter, but much is probably a stretch. He is certainly a more well rounded hitter with the walks he takes.

 

Pham last season: .273/.369/.450 33 2B, 21 HR, 123 K in 654 PA

Rosario last season: .276/.300/.500 28 2B, 32 HR, 86 K in 590 PA

 

Pham is 3+ years older than Eddie too.

Raw stats might overstate how close they are, though, as Tampa was a slight pitcher's park while Minnesota was neutral. And Tampa had a bit tougher division competition than Minnesota too.

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Lost in this, if this was a cost cutting move by TB, that's just horrible. I don't care that this team still wins despite it's frugal ways, they have the lowest payroll in the sport. MLB needs to stop helping these owners try procure new stadiums in their cities, they need to help the cities procure new owners for their teams.

TB has been making moves like this for years, and the MLB doesn't care. That much is clear to me.

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The top 100 prospect was traded *with* Renfroe. So I think the poster is comparing Rosario to Pham.

 

Although Pham is arguably better than both Renfroe and Rosario, even without looking at Rosario's suspect defensive metrics. Pham has a career 129 wRC+, Rosario and Refroe each at 105.

 

Pham is a few years older, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down too much -- coming off a 121 wRC+, compared to Rosario at 103 and Refroe at 98. Pham also added 25 SBs. Even at his age, Pham looks like the better bet over the next 2 years.

 

Hence why Pham could cost the cheap Renfroe plus a top 100 prospect.

The full deal included two likely top 100 guys changing hands.

 

The Padres get Pham, and his skills have been covered plenty here, but he’s also 32, making $8.6M this year, and he’s got one more year of arb that will certainly be eight figures. They also get Jake Cronenworth, a borderline top-100 guy, who is MLB-ready, but his ceiling isn’t tremendously high.

 

The Rays get Renfroe, whose underlying stats have been improving each year and could really break out in the AL East road parks. They also get Edwards, whose a backend top-100 guy, but one with plenty of untapped potential. Last, they have another PTBNL. That usually indicates at this time of year that the desired player is Rule 5 eligible, and they’re going to see if he makes it through the draft.

 

It’s truly an even move in overall value. Solid trade. Could bite either team in the backside, though as there’s potential for big value headed the other way.

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Lost in this, if this was a cost cutting move by TB, that's just horrible. I don't care that this team still wins despite it's frugal ways, they have the lowest payroll in the sport. MLB needs to stop helping these owners try procure new stadiums in their cities, they need to help the cities procure new owners for their teams.

 

I think the Rays won the trade. 

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I think I understand what the Padres are doing. They seem to be aggressively re-tooling the roster in the face of a disappointing season. 

 

The expectations have to be higher while the patience lessened after the Big Myers contract and big free agent additions of Hosmer and Machado. 

 

They have a ton of youth and I'm sure they want more youth/immediate result balance and after spending what they have recently, I wouldn't doubt that Preller may have his job on the line. 

 

However... from my outsiders viewpoint... I can't help wonder if they couldn't have gotten a much better pitcher than Davies in return for Urias. Doesn't Urias and Lauer put them into realistic discussion with the Tigers for Boyd? Taillon with the Pirates? Gray with the Rockies? Mancini and Bundy with the Orioles? Gonzales with the Mariners? 

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I think I understand what the Padres are doing. They seem to be aggressively re-tooling the roster in the face of a disappointing season. 

 

The expectations have to be higher while the patience lessened after the Big Myers contract and big free agent additions of Hosmer and Machado. 

 

They have a ton of youth and I'm sure they want more youth/immediate result balance and after spending what they have recently, I wouldn't doubt that Preller may have his job on the line. 

 

However... from my outsiders viewpoint... I can't help wonder if they couldn't have gotten a much better pitcher than Davies in return for Urias. Doesn't Urias and Lauer put them into realistic discussion with the Tigers for Boyd? Taillon with the Pirates? Gray with the Rockies? Mancini and Bundy with the Orioles? Gonzales with the Mariners? 

I think the primary move there was getting Grisham, not Davies.

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I think the primary move there was getting Grisham, not Davies.

 

 

I agree that Grisham is the primary value in the trade. I also understand this is need based trade. The Brewers want a SS because they ain't so comfortable with Arcia anymore and the Padres are obviously re-tooling the OF on the fly. 

 

However, Urias is a pretty steep price. I have no idea but I'm thinking that they could have really upgraded the rotation for Urias. If they still needed a young OF'er to plug in immediately like Grisham... They still had ample prospects to get that sort of deal done elsewhere. 

 

And I also am curious about the need for an OF in SD. Just a year ago, they had young OF coming out of their ears. Today... Besides Pham and Grisham... they have Franchy and Margot plus Myers. 

 

It feels like Preller is being a little undisciplined or frantic. 

 

But Hey... If he likes the guy... he likes the guy and he must pay the price to get the guy.  

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I agree that Grisham is the primary value in the trade. I also understand this is need based trade. The Brewers want a SS because they ain't so comfortable with Arcia anymore and the Padres are obviously re-tooling the OF on the fly. 

 

However, Urias is a pretty steep price. I have no idea but I'm thinking that they could have really upgraded the rotation for Urias. If they still needed a young OF'er to plug in immediately like Grisham... They still had ample prospects to get that sort of deal done elsewhere. 

 

And I also am curious about the need for an OF in SD. Just a year ago, they had young OF coming out of their ears. Today... Besides Pham and Grisham... they have Franchy and Margot plus Myers. 

 

It feels like Preller is being a little undisciplined or frantic. 

 

But Hey... If he likes the guy... he likes the guy and he must pay the price to get the guy.  

I think that the terms "frantic" and "undisciplined" basically describe Preller's entire tenure in SD

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Holy balls. that was a good decision to opt out...

 

Stephen Strasburg’s deal with the Washington Nationals is for seven years and $245 million, a source tells ESPN.

 

Full no trade clause and no opt years either.

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Strasburg has re-upped with the Nats. No terms yet, but I'm guessing this will clue us in on the Cole ranges.....

 

At least these high end pitchers are signing with National League teams that the Twins played last year so far.  Cole to the Mets. Ryu to the Braves.  Bumgarner to the Marlins.  Sounds good to me.  

 

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Yeah, so Cole will be getting 300M+?

 

Unless the Dodgers are suddenly open to big money long term deals, I'd guess the Angels and Yankees will be the only likely pursuers, unless Philly just says screw it, money ain't a thang. 

 

My prediction will be that the Angels get him for 300M and we'll hear that the Yankees offered more, after which we will all hear them complain about how Cole just used them and we should all show pity.

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