http://www.startribune.com/nelson-cruz-sergio-romo-pick-up-slack-wehere-newcomer-sam-dyson-fails/515144702/

 

Reusse's column says there's a strong likelihood Buxton is heading back to the IL after his latest crash into the center field wall...

 

Just in time to miss most of, if not all of the Cleveland series next week...

 

Nothing official yet, but doubt Reusse would have tweeted it or ran with it in his column if he didn't have a good sense this was happening.

Edited August 3, 20197 yr by HawksNest

no!

Who will be demoted or put on IL when Cron returns?  I hope it is not Buxton going to the IL. But if not Buck to the IL, then who leaves so Cron can be added?

Shocker

 

Who will be demoted or put on IL when Cron returns?  I hope it is not Buxton going to the IL. But if not Buck to the IL, then who leaves so Cron can be added?

 

My guess is that they'll send Arraez down for a month and then call him back up when there's another injury and for September callups

 

Who will be demoted or put on IL when Cron returns?  I hope it is not Buxton going to the IL. But if not Buck to the IL, then who leaves so Cron can be added?

 

Probably: 

 

Cron activated, Buxton to IL

 

Thorpe optioned, Littell back up 

I laugh at anyone who talks about a long term extension with Buxton. There's no way you can do it.

 

I laugh at anyone who talks about a long term extension with Buxton. There's no way you can do it.

 

Well I think you can do it, but it just can't be for a boatload of cash. If the FO throws a bunch of money at him when he can't even complete a full season without being on the IL at least 3 times I think they're doing it wrong.

Laugh away.

 

I would love to have him through age 31.

Well I think you can do it, but it just can't be for a boatload of cash. If the FO throws a bunch of money at him when he can't even complete a full season without being on the IL at least 3 times I think they're doing it wrong.

Sure. Anything can be done for the right price. But 4 years $80 million or similar? No chance.

Man, I love Buxton, and some here may recall that I've never stopped believing, even at his lowest points.

But, perhaps he is just one of those guys that is never going to be able to stay on the field.

It's disappointing.

Laugh away.

 

I would love to have him through age 31.

His body can’t make it through a season at age 25. You seriously think he’s going to age well? The Twins might as well move Lewis to CF because Buxton isn’t go to be here past 2022.

His body can’t make it through a season at age 25. You seriously think he’s going to age well? The Twins might as well move Lewis to CF because Buxton isn’t go to be here past 2022.

Yes. I think he will be a very good player into his early thirties. It might be 100 games and 3 WAR but I will take it.

Ugh.... I think he needs to mature a bit with the chances that he takes at the wall but still go all out speed around the rest of the field (this will not eliminate injuries but cut back a bunch without marginalizing his defense too much.

 

This hurts  Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.

 

With the duck tape that the FO attempted to apply to our pitching, we REALLY need his defense.

Buxton's pretty much my favorite Twin right now, so these injuries are killing me.

 

My guess is that they'll send Arraez down for a month and then call him back up when there's another injury and for September callups

 

No chance.

Yes. I think he will be a very good player into his early thirties. It might be 100 games and 3 WAR but I will take it.

Do you think he will agree to a contract that pays him for that level? I don’t.

 

 

Buxton's pretty much my favorite Twin right now, so these injuries are killing me.

 

Tell me about it. Going into Thursday's game, Anthony La Panta said the Twins are something like 56-24 in games that Buxton started and 9-17 in games he didn't. Pretty incredible.

 

 

Man, I love Buxton, and some here may recall that I've never stopped believing, even at his lowest points.
But, perhaps he is just one of those guys that is never going to be able to stay on the field.
It's disappointing.

 

Rocco can probably relate.

 

 

I laugh at anyone who talks about a long term extension with Buxton. There's no way you can do it.

 

Yes, there is a very strong way you can do it, and the Twins better do it. They just need to make sure they apply "Games Played" bonus clauses to his extension contract. Extra $1/2Million$ when he hits 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 games played threshold. And $5million$ if he can play all 162. He's that much of a difference maker and maybe he'll finally get the fact that it's not worth it to his team and his earning power in taking too many undue risks out there in CF.

Yes, there is a very strong way you can do it, and the Twins better do it. They just need to make sure they apply "Games Played" bonus clauses to his extension contract. Extra $1/2Million$ when he hits 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 games played threshold. And $5million$ if he can play all 162. He's that much of a difference maker and maybe he'll finally get the fact that it's not worth it to his team and his earning power in taking too many undue risks out there in CF.

So, question one:

 

Why on earth would his agent let him sign a contract like that given his history?

 

Question two: with that kind of bonus structure in play (up to $8 mil per year) where do you set his base pay?

 

Now, question three: Do you think Buxton will accept a heavily incentive laden contract?

 

I don’t because some team will roll the dice and guarantee him the boatload. I just hope it isn’t this team.

Edited August 3, 20197 yr by yarnivek1972

Very simple way to handle a Buxton contract extension, pay him by the hour.

It feels like we're making a similar mistake with "aggressiveness" that we used to make with "toughness." In both cases, our default position is to praise them, partly because there is a benefit to doing so, but we praise them in the extreme because we see those traits as positive traits in life. We want our kids to be tough. We want them to "go for it."

 

So we build these traits up even in the face of evidence that they may not help win ballgames. A hurt player might hurt his own team with an extended poor performance. An aggressive player who hurts himself and misses time hurts his team more than the single catch he made (or didn't) helps the team. Or even more than pulling up for multiple catches might help the team.

 

The defense of players who choose these extremes sounds similar, too. "What, you don't want them to play?" "What, you don't want them to go all out?" Turning it into a black/white issue fertilizes chest-thumping and fun blustering activities. But there is plenty of gray area, and the answer is to turn the dial a little bit. Resist the extremes. Dial back the self-sacrifice. Recognize when it's going too far. 

 

Buxton and the Twins need to recognize that they don't need to embrace the extremes. We need to be smart enough to recognize that we need not embrace the specific actions, just because we embrace those values.  

I laugh at anyone who talks about a long term extension with Buxton. There's no way you can do it.

I agree with you. He's played over 100 games once and this is now his fifth season. I am not betting he's going to make 100 this year, and this is supposed to be a bounce back season?

 

We need to be honest about this guy. I think the accolades and high praise waa dished out way too fast. The reality is the guy has migraine issues and he's piling up the concussions. This kind of thing doesn't actually work itself out. Concussions compound and worsen over time.

Not that I put a whole lot of stock in this, but at the bottom of the lineups on cbs sportsline, they have an injury report. It says Buxton is expected to return 9/02...

Yes, there is a very strong way you can do it, and the Twins better do it. They just need to make sure they apply "Games Played" bonus clauses to his extension contract. Extra $1/2Million$ when he hits 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 games played threshold. And $5million$ if he can play all 162. He's that much of a difference maker and maybe he'll finally get the fact that it's not worth it to his team and his earning power in taking too many undue risks out there in CF.

Can you cite a single similar contract elsewhere?

When his name was floated for a trade for pitching I considered it feasible. And I am a huge fan of his talent, and believer in said talent. While In the end I agreed with not trading him, I could not ignore the simple fact that his talent is useless on a bench. The other problem is his speed is elite, and what makes him so special. That will not age well with all these injuries. One other issue is that these issues are repetitive. You can almost cache the headline: Byron Buxton removed from today's game after running into (fill in the blank) at full speed! It's very hard to be a difference maker if you only play 60% of a season, every season.

The Twins have Buxton under control through 2022. Contract questions are secondary to the fact that, when healthy, he's a difference maker. The Twins and Buxton need to tweak his fielding approach so that he can actually stay on the field. There's really no question or potential debate about it. You play to win the game, and you win more games when your best players are in the game. It's not complicated.

 

So far as the extension angle . . . we don't even know if Buxton is open to that given the prior service time controversy. And even if he is, he probably sees his injury issues as less of a negative (i.e., more fluky than concerning) and wouldn't be inclined to offer a big discount, especially since he hits free agency at age 28. 

 

He does have the general profile of a player that would age relatively well - losing speed but still having enough to play CF throughout his career - and refining his approach at the plate over time. But I don't see an extension happening.

As a fan I appreciate a player going all out and playing hard but in this situation it just isn't very smart.  I understand that is who he is, but someone needs to sit him down and explain to him that constantly playing with reckless abandon and putting his health and well being in jeopardy is not good for him, his family or his team. Certainly injuries will happen, players get hit by pitches and foul balls off their legs etc. but choosing to run FULL speed into a wall to MAYBE make an out is just not a good decision. Hopefully as he matures he will learn to make better ones for his sake, his families sake and his teams sake.

Byron Buxton is the secret identity of "Mr. Glass".