Front Page: 2019 Minnesota Twins Trade Deadline Recap

[jokin]

 

 

 

AZ gave up a top 60 SS prospect for Gallen, the Twins only have one of those, you'd give up Royce Lewis because of one game he pitched against the Twins? That's how we get Hicks/Murphy swaps.

 

I wasn't proposing anything like a Hicks/Murphy swap. I despised it at the time. And how is it you assume that I, or the Twins, would base my observation on one game?

 

Re: subjects of the trade: You mean for the position that Polanco, and then possibly Lewis are going to occupy for the next 10-15 years? Your comment doesn't even add up, as Lewis is much higher than a Top 60 and never would have been part of a One-For-One trade.

 

 

 

[USAFChief]

I give the Twins a "C" grade for this deadline. A passing score, but ain't gonna get them on the Honor Roll, nor help with that academic scholarship.

 

The bullpen was a glaring need from day one, there's really no way to argue otherwise, and it was pretty easy to see it wasn't going to last the season. So they found a way, in an admittedly somewhat tough market, to make the minimum acceptable additions to patch two holes, which I'd call the minimum number of patches required to keep the ship afloat. 

 

They didn't make the pen a strength, nor aid any other portion of the roster. A starter to pitch game 1 or 2 of a postseason series would have been an obvious target, but I can't give them a fail on that, there weren't a lot of options. But I can't give them a success for finding one, either. A couple other teams managed to do just that...although in Houston's case, Greinke probably slots in 3rd in the postseason rotation. Sick.

 

So, a C. Passing grade, just probably not going to make Grampa proud.

[yarnivek1972]

There is some business remaining related to the deadline. With Dyson joining the team today, who gets sent to the minors? After last night, expect it will be Poppen.

 

But then who goes next when Cron comes off the IL in a few days? Will it be Stashak or Thorpe? My guess is Stashak as Thorpe is the only pitcher in the pen who is able to go more than an inning or two at the most.

 

I could see Thorpe getting lots of opportunities to go 4-5 innings paired with both Pineda and Perez over the next two months as they try to limit the innings load for both. That could include a few spot starts should Pineda make another appearance on the IL as he did earlier this year.

Depending on how much longer Cron is out, I would expect Stashak and Thorpe to both head out and replaced by Devin Smeltzer, but I think he has 4-5 days before he is eligible (Smeltzer).

[spanman2]

 

Dear Twins FO,

 

Congrats on Dyson boys!

You were so wise to hold on to all of your high level prospects and avoid starting pitchers like Stroman because the Mets paid such an ASTROnomical cost. And ANY cost for Minor would have been too high!

 

And your starting playoff rotation....it weakens our knees just thinking about it...

Enjoy those 3 playoff participation ribbons you will earn over the next 5 years while you hoard prospects!

 

Love,

Houston FO

 

PS. We were so impressed by you guys we had to post this in two different places to make sure you saw it!

IALTO

[Squirrel]

Bauer from the Reds? Does the Reds GM want to be blacklisted from trades for the rest of his career?

 

AZ gave up a top 60 SS prospect for Gallen, the Twins only have one of those, giving up Royce Lewis because of one game Gallen pitched against the Twins is how we get Hicks/Murphy swaps.

I don’t think the Reds would have been blacklisted. Maybe from ever going to Cleveland again, but I don’t think from all of baseball.

 

But concur on the rest.

[VATwinsFan]

It appears that Trevor May (who I thought would team up with Rogers for a nice 1-2 punch) is now the forgotten arm of the bullpen.

[nicksaviking]

 

There is some business remaining related to the deadline.  With Dyson joining the team today, who gets sent to the minors?  After last night, expect it will be Poppen.  

 

But then who goes next when Cron comes off the IL in a few days?  Will it be Stashak or Thorpe?  My guess is Stashak as Thorpe is the only pitcher in the pen who is able to go more than an inning or two at the most. 

 

I could see Thorpe getting lots of opportunities to go 4-5 innings paired with both Pineda and Perez over the next two months as they try to limit the innings load for both.  That could include a few spot starts should Pineda make another appearance on the IL as he did earlier this year.

 

Stashak has been averaging nearly 2 innings per outing in Rochester, but I think Thorpe would stay due to his left handedness.

 

But if I were the Twins, I'd make sure to get Thorpe as many innings this year as possible either in Minnesota or Rochester, because at this point, he's probably internal option number 1 to fill out a rotation spot from day one in 2020 should they need an internal option to step in.

[Dave Overlund]

The shock wasn't the lack of a blockbuster deal, but rather the fact that some fans actually believed the Twins would make a major move. They never, ever will. 

[nicksaviking]

 

I wasn't proposing anything like a Hicks/Murphy swap. I despised it at the time. And how is it you assume that I, or the Twins, would base my observation on one game?

 

Re: subjects of the trade: You mean for the position that Polanco, and then possibly Lewis are going to occupy for the next 10-15 years? Your comment doesn't even add up, as Lewis is much higher than a Top 60 and never would have been part of a One-For-One trade.

 

So Miami got a highly rated SS from AZ, but you assume position doesn't matter to them? They'd have been just as happy with a corner outfielder?

[yarnivek1972]

It appears that Trevor May (who I thought would team up with Rogers for a nice 1-2 punch) is now the forgotten arm of the bullpen.

At some point the Twins need to get him back into a game to find out if he can be used in higher leverage situations.

[VATwinsFan]

 

At some point the Twins need to get him back into a game to find out if he can be used in higher leverage situations.

Indeed. 

[Dantes929]

 

It's apparent all 3 have slid down national rankings just this year.

Yep.   At one point Buxton, Sano Berrios dipped in their rankings also.    When they dip isn't the time to trade them, unless you think they will dip further.    The guys we could have traded them for in the past might have been Archer and Darvish.    Of course they can dip further and never pan out just like free agents and trade acquisitions can turn out great.   There is tons of anecdotal evidence for making moves and for not making moves...  This building up of super teams is kind of annoying to me.   When KC got to their WS I was excited and happy for them.    Same thing with Houston their first time.   Now if they win it all I will yawn and say "good for you".     I think if we had got Verlander, Greinke and Cole and given up all our prospects I think I might have had a bit of that same reaction.    Maybe I just like underdogs.   This just seems like overkill..   I hope Houston doesn't win, except tonight.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

For everyone wishing the Twins had traded some of their elite prospects for player X, they are missing one thing.  By not trading them, they remain in the organization. 

 

Granted, prospect A, B or C could slide due to lack of performance.  That is a risk, a real risk.  But they also may maintain their status or even get better.  Regardless, prospects A, B and C remain members of the organization.  That means they are an asset that the Twins can trade in the future, whether that is this coming winter, next July or thereafter.  With players like Lewis, Kirilloff and Graterol, they could be worth even more in the future.

 

They could be worth more, or they could be worth less. (With the usual caveat that we are talking about people so obviously we wish them well.)

 

Do you remember when Pittsburgh was shopping Gerrit Cole? And who the Twins better prospects were at that time? Is that a trade you would try to negotiate in hindsight?

[beckmt]

For the record from what I have seen

1.  Gallen upside was a #3/#4 type starter, sometimes that type pitches well for a while.

2.  Syndergard was available if you wanted to make the Mets clear trade winners.  Buxton or Kirloff/Lewis seemed to be the starting ask, this is a no go.  However this winter if you cannot sign Buxton to an extension and feel you never will, then maybe you can see if Syndergard will sign an extension here and make a deal on these lines.  Aces are very hard to find, that is why they are the highest valued pieces around.  Lewis is probably going to be a better hitter than Buxton and just slightly less of a fielder, so to me this is possible.

[prouster]

I agree with you on the Marlins. I don't know much about Gallen but if he as good as he was against us I would have created a package to get him. We need good young controllable pitching and if he was the answer and could have been had for Larnack or Kiroloff with some other throw in's that could have really helped us IMO. Maybe Gallen isn't that good? I don't know but even he was just effective he would have been a nice piece to have moving forward. We need pitchers not hitters right now. so trading to even that out would have been nice IMO.

Maybe someone has said this already, but Kirilloff would have been a terrible piece to give up for Gallen. Gallen is a back end top 100 guy. Kirilloff is by consensus in the top 30. Maybe each team thinks of them differently, but from what we know Kirilloff is a much, much better prospect.

[MABB1959]

I   am   okay.  After we see what they can do I hope that I don't get nervous feeling every time  they go to the BP.  I am not relaxed or confident with anyone at all.  

 

I want a person who can stop the bleeding which has been tough.  Or a person that can go in and have a 1, 2, 3 more often than not!

Edited August 1, 2019 by MABB1959

[tarheeltwinsfan]

I will miss Jaylin Davis, because he is from North Carolina (Greensboro and played at ASU). However it is a better fit for him with the Giants. Best wishes for a successful career to Jaylin. That being said, Sam Dyson is just what the doctor ordered for the Twinkies this year and next. Nobody walks but the fans walking into Target Field. 

[TheMatt]

I feel they are grading themselves on the curve. "We got a C but many other teams failed so that brings us up to a B+". Nope. Still a C. But hey, C's get degrees.

[Dman]

 

Maybe someone has said this already, but Kirilloff would have been a terrible piece to give up for Gallen. Gallen is a back end top 100 guy. Kirilloff is by consensus in the top 30. Maybe each team thinks of them differently, but from what we know Kirilloff is a much, much better prospect.

 

And yet Arizona gave up their #1 prospect for him rated number 59 in the top 100 on MLB site.  He held a potent Twins offense to two runs.  Maybe a lucky night but it seems like he made believers out of Arizona.  Maybe he does turn back into a pumpkin or maybe he is the next Kluber hard to say I don't know much about Gallen but he impressed in the one game I saw him and Arizona obviously sees value in his arm so it makes me wonder.

[Bavarian]

A lot of teams walked away empty-handed.  The asking prices were reportedly way too high in many cases.  These so-called "sellers" will now risk many of these tradable players to walk away with no prospects gained.  Something happened recently where teams have adopted this insistence of an "arm & a leg" return and won't bargain or deal for some compromise in any form.  It's weird. 

 

If I'm the owner and my team allowed some of these trade-worthy players that weren't going to be extended to walk away without any prospects, I'm firing my GM ASAP without any severance pay just to send a message.  

[nicksaviking]

 

A lot of teams walked away empty-handed.  The asking prices were reportedly way too high in many cases.  These so-called "sellers" will now risk many of these tradable players to walk away with no prospects gained.  Something happened recently where teams have adopted this insistence of an "arm & a leg" return and won't bargain or deal for some compromise in any form.  It's weird. 

 

If I'm the owner and my team allowed some of these trade-worthy players that weren't going to be extended to walk away without any prospects, I'm firing my GM ASAP without any severance pay just to send a message.  

 

Which soon-to-be free agent did you have in mind? Zack Wheeler seems like the only major player I can think of and rumors of an extension for him have been floated for a couple weeks, and if no extension, then a qualifying offer most likely.

 

Otherwise, Syndergaard, Ray, Minor, Boyd and all the top end relievers are all under contract through at least next year, most longer. Their teams can try again to compete next year, or they can try again to trade them in the offseason when there would likely be more bidders. I don't see many selling teams still holding on to expiring lotto tickets.

 

 

[USAFChief]

 

Which soon-to-be free agent did you have in mind? Zack Wheeler seems like the only major player I can think of and rumors of an extension for him have been floated for a couple weeks, and if no extension, then a qualifying offer most likely.

 

Otherwise, Syndergaard, Ray, Minor, Boyd and all the top end relievers are all under contract through at least next year, most longer. Their teams can try again to compete next year, or they can try again to trade them in the offseason when there would likely be more bidders.

Bumgarner?

 

But if I'm a Giants fan, I'm glad my GM gave my team at least a fighting chance at continuing the wild card run. He kept MadBum and his top 2 relievers, and still managed to sell off some less important parts. 

 

Also in both Wheeler and Bumgarner's cases, teams have the option of a qualifying offer.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I agree with you on the Marlins.  I don't know much about Gallen but if he as good as he was against us I would have created a package to get him.   We need good young controllable pitching and if he was the answer and could have been had for Larnack or Kiroloff  with some other throw in's that could have really helped us IMO.  Maybe Gallen isn't that good?  I don't know but even he was just effective he would have been a nice piece to have moving forward.  We need pitchers not hitters right now. so trading to even that out would have been nice IMO.

 

He's a rookie... So not only is he cheap for the next 3 seasons, giving the Marlins no reason to shed his salary, the cost to get him will be exorbitant. 

[nicksaviking]

 

Bumgarner?

 

But if I'm a Giants fan, I'm glad my GM gave my team at least a fighting chance at continuing the wild card run. He kept MadBum and his top 2 relievers, and still managed to sell off some less important parts. 

 

Also in both Wheeler and Bumgarner's cases, teams have the option of a qualifying offer.

 

Yeah, the Giants look like they're going to give it a shot. Not sure if that's the smart move, but no one's getting fired for that being only 2 games back, which isn't typically a 'seller' team. Giving it one more go before losing franchise icons Bumgarner and Bochy seems like the right thing to do for the fans. I don't have my finger on the pulse out in that area, but I'd think after their run to get back into contention, there might be quite a bit of nostalgia floating around the west side of the bay right now.

[Shaitan]

 

I could see Thorpe getting lots of opportunities to go 4-5 innings paired with both Pineda and Perez over the next two months as they try to limit the innings load for both.  That could include a few spot starts should Pineda make another appearance on the IL as he did earlier this year.

 

It's a novel idea but I don't see it happened. Once a player has been in the pen more than 2-3 weeks, teams don't seem to re-stretch them out. Instead, when 4-5 innings are needed, they turn to a just called up 26th man.

 

I could see Thorpe going 60 pitches now and then, but not beyond (if he stays in MLB).

[Doctor Wu]

The Twins are having an historic year offensively. Very, very impressive. They could, and should, win the division. But beyond that? I fear we won't get past the first round of the playoffs once again. I just don't think we have the pitching quality (starters or relievers) to compete with the top shelf teams. Sign. Same old story.

[Doomtints]

The articles I read are giving the Twins a D. It's no secret they still need one or two more arms.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I tend to agree with Chief on the grade, though in fairness, big names weren't moved. I'm not qutie understanding some of that, especially the rentals. Sellers sitting on those names will see them go away for nothing this offseason. I'd have thought sellers prices would have gone down. They didn't.

 

That said, I have to ask... when and how will we strengthen things? The farm is still strong, as we literally gave up nothing. Diaz and Davis had virtually no chance to be in the team's plans and were virtual locks to be taken in the Rule V if they were left unprotected... So Falvine did that part right. 

 

But back to my question. When and how will they strengthen things? I don't see them going hard after SP help this offseason in FA, as there's very little worth going after. Do they extend 3 QOs? I'm doubtful there too. I'm guessing two at best and even that I suspect is unlikely. Trusting Smeltzer/Thorpe for one spot would be fine, but more than that would be disastrous. That means they'll still have to make trades, and I doubt prices will be that much lower come November. I don't think they will do much to help the pen... again, part of that is due to the crap shoot found in FA and I do think that there are guys stepping up in the pen worth keeping.

 

So when will they go all out? And how will they do it?

[SF Twins Fan]

This is somewhat off topic but there has been a lot of talk about trading prospects so we don't lose them this winter to the rule 5 draft.

 

Does anyone know what prospects have to be added to the 40 man roster this offseason?  Also, where can I find this information?

[kenbuddha]

 

Bauer from Reds?

Kennedy from Royals?

6 good arms from Marlins?

Seems like they were get-able.

And yet, no one got them. And there were plenty of teams that wanted pitching. I'm not sure what the reasons were, but someone was offering something for them (most likely) and here they are all still on the same teams. I'm just saying maybe it isn't the Twins FO that is to blame. Maybe it's the sellers miscalculating player values?

 

Curioser and curioser.