MLB Trade Rumors: Falvey on Deadline Approach

[Vanimal46]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/falvey-on-twins-deadline-approach.html

 

Discouraging to say the least. From the article:

 

Fans probably shouldn’t expect any true blockbusters out of the Minnesota front office. Falvey says he’s “actively working that market to try and find ways to improve this club,” but strongly suggests it won’t come in the way of adding new core or high-end rental pieces. This year’s successes, he says, will surely come “from the group that’s in that clubhouse right now.” Deadline moves are likelier to function as “supplements” to the roster core.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

A bunch of frauds, really.

 

He was on record saying that when the window opened, they would strike. Well, that window of opportunity has opened. Unreal, but truthfully, not surprising.

[Tomj14]

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/falvey-on-twins-deadline-approach.html

Discouraging to say the least. From the article:

Fans probably shouldn’t expect any true blockbusters out of the Minnesota front office. Falvey says he’s “actively working that market to try and find ways to improve this club,” but strongly suggests it won’t come in the way of adding new core or high-end rental pieces. This year’s successes, he says, will surely come “from the group that’s in that clubhouse right now.” Deadline moves are likelier to function as “supplements” to the roster core.

I would say if they Twins somehow fail to make the playoff (I hope like Heck that doesn't happen) the Front Office shouldn't be surprised when fans don't come out an buy tickets next year.

[USAFChief]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo,

[Vanimal46]

I don't understand why they aren't willing to trade for rental pieces... I mean, all they look for in free agency are players looking to sign 1 year deals to keep "financial flexibility". It doesn't make sense.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

I would say if they Twins somehow fail to make the playoff (I hope like Heck that doesn't happen) the Front Office shouldn't be surprised when fans don't come out an buy tickets next year.

 

This is why we never re-upped on our season tickets 3 years ago.

[FLTwinsGuy]

Falvey is nothing but a fraud..The whole striking when the window opens was all a lie.. Probably never expected this team to be as good as they would be this quickly. I hope they surprise us by Monday but i just dont see it..

[70charger]

Setting expectations low so it's easier to exceed them?

 

I'm not sure I understand what they're planning to do with the damn near 20 minor leaguers who need to be added to the 40 man this offseason if not try to trade them for major league help. It's an expiring currency. Get a couple relievers now in exchange for a few of these guys, or get nothing and have them end up on the Marlins and Orioles next year anyway.

[Blake]

I'm going to take a contrary view: Falvey is keeping things close to the vest and has something in mind and doesn't really want to tip his hand.

 

Also, the pressure on the FO to "make a move" is probably enormous and, making a knee-jerk move is exactly the wrong thing to do.

 

Personally, in looking around the league, is there anyone that is A: Available and B: actually going to be worth the asking price?

 

For instance, going into July, Chapman, of the Yankees has been absolutely lights out.

 

How did Chapman work out last night?

 

Hand blew it for Cleveland, last night, against Toronto, of all teams.

 

It's all well and good to talk about how the FO "must do something" but, doing something just to do something is the wrong approach.

[USAFChief]

I'm going to take a contrary view: Falvey is keeping things close to the vest and has something in mind and doesn't really want to tip his hand.

 

Also, the pressure on the FO to "make a move" is probably enormous and, making a knee-jerk move is exactly the wrong thing to do.

 

Personally, in looking around the league, is there anyone that is A: Available and B: actually going to be worth the asking price?

 

For instance, going into July, Chapman, of the Yankees has been absolutely lights out.

 

How did Chapman work out last night?

 

Hand blew it for Cleveland, last night, against Toronto, of all teams.

 

It's all well and good to talk about how the FO "must do something" but, doing something just to do something is the wrong approach.

Would you take Chapman and Hand?

 

I thought so.

[terrydactyls]

Would you take Chapman and Hand?

I thought so.

It depends on what it would take to get them. Probably Lewis, Kirilloff, Graterol, Rooker, Sano, Kepler, and Balazovich. In my mind, it isn't worth it.

[jud6312]

They'll add Allen to the 40-man and call him up as their "just like making a high-end trade" piece and call it a day.

 

Maybe they'll kick the tires on someone jettisoned from someone else's roster and talk about their spin rate taking a step back or changing their slot and that's why they've sucked and can be easily turned around by Guru Wes.

 

We've been told for almost a decade to essentially "trust the process," with the finish line repeatedly pushed further out. And it's going to happen again.

 

Nothing but hucksters and snake oil salesman.

[USAFChief]

It depends on what it would take to get them. Probably Lewis, Kirilloff, Graterol, Rooker, Sano, Kepler, and Balazovich. In my mind, it isn't worth it.

i think you might have missed the point.

[Blake]

 

Would you take Chapman and Hand?

I thought so.

Are they available and how much will they cost?

[USAFChief]

Are they available and how much will they cost?

No pitcher is perfect. holding out blown saves by otherwise excellent relievers is not a defense of the Twins bullpen.

 

The point is not one game. The point is this team can not survive its current bullpen and never could.

 

Neither the Yankees nor the Indians, if they fail, will blame their pen. And Chapman and Hand will likely be fine.

 

It’s missing the Forrest for the trees to look at a blown save from either as somehow proof the Twins aren’t in need.

[Blake]

 

i think you might have missed the point.

Speaking of missing the point, Hand and Chapman both blew it, so, no guarantee whoever the Twins get is going to solve what appears to be a league wide problem. 

 

I'm not saying the Twins don't need help, I'm saying what help is available might not really move the needle as much as we'd like.

[jkcarew]

 

.. Probably never expected this team to be as good as they would be this quickly...

I think this is probably a true statement. And I don't think there are really 'blockbuster' opportunities out there (Greinke maybe?) And, I also don't like rentals. But seems to me that this team has earned an exception to that rule/approach. I think reinforcements will be coming. If not, this is quite the race between the Twins and the Indians, no? One watching the ship sink, and the other contemplating selling in the face of an epic second-half run.

[Blake]

 

No pitcher is perfect. holding out blown saves by otherwise excellent relievers is not a defense of the Twins bullpen.

The point is not one game. The point is this team can not survive its current bullpen and never could.

Neither the Yankees nor the Indians, if they fail, will blame their pen. And Chapman and Hand will likely be fine.

It’s missing the Forrest for the trees to look at a blown save from either as somehow proof the Twins aren’t in need.

Rogers blew it last night, also.

 

Both bullpens were beaten around the park last night and it took a great play by Aaron Hicks to save the Yankees.

 

Oh, by the way, you'll get no argument from me when it comes to Blake Parker. I truly think he needs to go.

 

Anyway, I apologize if I'm coming across as cantankerous, because it's not intended that way.

 

Today is another day and Go Twins! 

[Vanimal46]

It depends on what it would take to get them. Probably Lewis, Kirilloff, Graterol, Rooker, Sano, Kepler, and Balazovich. In my mind, it isn't worth it.

These posts are not realistic nor productive in a conversation. Please return back to planet Earth.

[jud6312]

Wait, you're comparing a 1-game Hand "skid" with what the Harpers, Parkers, Mays, and Duffeys of the world have been up to this year?

 

I guess that's one angle to take.

[terrydactyls]

i think you might have missed the point.

The point is that trades are two sided. People keep saying just get what the Twins need. It isn't that easy. And none of us are sitting in the Twins front office observing Falvey and Lavine playing gin rummy. They may both be on the phones 20 hours a day trying to make a deal but the sellers are waiting for more offers. I'm just advocating patience. If the deadline passes without a starter and two relievers added, then let's get out the pitchforks.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't care about the name on the back of the jersey. I care about timeliness and effectiveness. 

 

The timeliness aspect has already begun to slip by them. The effectiveness piece remains to be seen.

[terrydactyls]

These posts are not realistic nor productive in a conversation. Please return back to planet Earth.

After you, sir.

[USAFChief]

 

Anyway, I apologize if I'm coming across as cantankerous, because it's not intended that way.

 

Today is another day and Go Twins!

 

Ditto, concur, and yes.

[twinkiesfan11]

I think some are reading way too much into this. Who knows how Falvey defines a “core player”.

 

His actions and words so far could easily be interpreted that they value relievers to a degree but not enough to exhaust significant financial and/or prospect resources which would seem to indicate that adding even one of the best available relievers would not be considered a “core addition”.

 

I want to see them go for it too but agree with the sentiment that giving up prized prospects for rentals would be short sighted and a mistake. Especially since It seems like this front office is very adept at talent evaluation and development.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/falvey-on-twins-deadline-approach.html

Discouraging to say the least. From the article:

Fans probably shouldn’t expect any true blockbusters out of the Minnesota front office. Falvey says he’s “actively working that market to try and find ways to improve this club,” but strongly suggests it won’t come in the way of adding new core or high-end rental pieces. This year’s successes, he says, will surely come “from the group that’s in that clubhouse right now.” Deadline moves are likelier to function as “supplements” to the roster core.

 

He really didn't say anything than what we already know... 

[big dog]

So if I'm going to an auction, and the person next to me picks out the thing I really like and says "So, are you interested in that?" and I know that five people around me might also be interested, I'm sure as heck not going to say "That's great, I really want it."  I will probably shrug my shoulders and mumble.

 

What happens if I yell out "I've gotta have that"?  Nothing good, that's for sure.

 

Why would Falvey, or any GM, want to sound desperate when being asked about possible trades right now?

[USAFChief]

So if I'm going to an auction, and the person next to me picks out the thing I really like and says "So, are you interested in that?" and I know that five people around me might also be interested, I'm sure as heck not going to say "That's great, I really want it."  I will probably shrug my shoulders and mumble.

 

What happens if I yell out "I've gotta have that"?  Nothing good, that's for sure.

 

Why would Falvey, or any GM, want to sound desperate when being asked about possible trades right now?

You still need to win the auction, no? Everyone is somehow dumbfounded when you make your first bid, and now you don’t have to outbid anyone?

[In My La Z boy]

 

So if I'm going to an auction, and the person next to me picks out the thing I really like and says "So, are you interested in that?" and I know that five people around me might also be interested, I'm sure as heck not going to say "That's great, I really want it."  I will probably shrug my shoulders and mumble.

 

What happens if I yell out "I've gotta have that"?  Nothing good, that's for sure.

 

Why would Falvey, or any GM, want to sound desperate when being asked about possible trades right now?

Exactly. Save the pitchforks for now. We'll all know how this turns out in 7 days - meanwhile who is left in Rochester today. We need help today.

[big dog]

 

You still need to win the auction, no? Everyone is somehow dumbfounded when you make your first bid, and now you don’t have to outbid anyone?

Sure, but talking about it on the internet doesn't help me at all.  These bids aren't really public, though I imagine they are shopped to other teams.  You will still have to outbid someone, but why make any more noise about it than you have to?