Get some help for the bullpen. Immediately. Don't dither over the decision, don't haggle hard over the cost. Don't let others beat you to your preferred targets.

 

You have a lineup. You have reasonably strong starting pitching. Your team battles.

 

Crowds are showing at Target Field, TV and radio ratings are up. The entire region is engaged.

 

Don't blow this. Don't chicken out. Don't worry about the possible cost 4 years from now.

 

Do it. Now. Do not let this bullpen cost you any longer.

Ya think?

 

 

Blown again with two out in the top of the 9th.  Disgraceful.

 

Rocco needs to lead the whole lineup, no showers, bats in hand, up to the GM's office after this game and sit there until a deal gets made.  We've all known this since April, and it would have been easier to get it done then. They work too damn hard for this to keep happening...

The above counts double now that the team has picked themselves up and tied the game in the bottom of the 9th.  They deserve much better.

Aaaaannnnnd they blow it again! 

 

:-(

 

Too many first-pitch balls and leadoff runners.  Too many innings that should be shut down after two outs, but instead end up as scoring threats.  A staff that cannot shut down an offense when it counts will not take a team past a division series. 

Edited July 24, 20197 yr by VivaBomboRivera!

 

Get some help for the bullpen. Immediately. Don't dither over the decision, don't haggle hard over the cost. Don't let others beat you to your preferred targets.

 

You have a lineup. You have reasonably strong starting pitching. Your team battles.

 

Crowds are showing at Target Field, TV and radio ratings are up. The entire region is engaged.

 

Don't blow this. Don't chicken out. Don't worry about the possible cost 4 years from now.

 

Do it. Now. Do not let this bullpen cost you any longer.

 

Get some help for the bullpen. Immediately. Don't dither over the decision, don't haggle hard over the cost. Don't let others beat you to your preferred targets.

 

You have a lineup. You have reasonably strong starting pitching. Your team battles.

 

Crowds are showing at Target Field, TV and radio ratings are up. The entire region is engaged.

 

Don't blow this. Don't chicken out. Don't worry about the possible cost 4 years from now.

 

Do it. Now. Do not let this bullpen cost you any longer.

PS:

 

We will forgive you if you over pay.

 

After all, its your money. 

There's a difference between having arms to throw out there and having the RIGHT arms to throw out there/ Yes, all pitchers are far from perfect all the time. But.......

Get some help for the bullpen. Immediately. Don't dither over the decision, don't haggle hard over the cost. Don't let others beat you to your preferred targets.

 

You have a lineup. You have reasonably strong starting pitching. Your team battles.

 

Crowds are showing at Target Field, TV and radio ratings are up. The entire region is engaged.

 

Don't blow this. Don't chicken out. Don't worry about the possible cost 4 years from now.

 

Do it. Now. Do not let this bullpen cost you any longer.

Chief- you just know that they will wait until the guys who can really help them are gone, and then settle for

2nd and 3rd tier players that one could classify as “maybe help- maybe not.”

I've been told by people I respect that "the market hasn't been established yet." Personally, I think that's pretty generous excuse making, but ok, let's grant that. We have to wait a week, rather than be a leader and actually establish a market for once.

 

So start here: Mr Pohlad has repeatedly said money isn't a problem. Ian Kennedy is in KC with an onorous contract. But he'd be the Twins second best reliever, by a fair margin, IMO. Go get him. Take on a chunk of that contract, say...I don't know, 40 percent. KC will liklely happily accept that offer, for nothing much in terms of prospect(s).

 

He could be here tomorrow, if you wanted to make it happen.

If your preferred target is on a team that isn't sure if it's selling or not should you settle for the 2nd or 3rd option if that's available and pay the same price or do you wait to see if your preferred target becomes available at the cost you want to pay?

If they don't acquire at least 2 arms to help this offense, they should be fired on 8/1. 

 

If they don't acquire at least 2 arms to help this offense, they should be fired on 8/1. 

They should be fired for not making a couple moves after building a 61-39 first place team when this team won a total of 59 games just 3 years ago?  Seems a bit aggressive. 

 

If your preferred target is on a team that isn't sure if it's selling or not should you settle for the 2nd or 3rd option if that's available and pay the same price or do you wait to see if your preferred target becomes available at the cost you want to pay?

"Targets."

 

They should have multiple targers, at least one of which will be at or near Rogers level. They need at least 2 arms. At least. 

 

If they have to overpay, it's their own fault. They put themselves in this position. And the prices aren't going down as the deadline gets closer anyway. Why would they?

 

They should be fired for not making a couple moves after building a 61-39 first place team when this team won a total of 59 games just 3 years ago?  Seems a bit aggressive. 

Yes. This is the Twins best offense ever and they don't get legit windows very often. To let the bullpen single-handedly take them down would be baseball malpractice.

 

This is 2006 all over again. Terry Ryan did nothing and it was his worst move. If they make the same mistake, clinging to their prospects for a tomorrow that never comes, then they're not up to the job. 

 

"Targets."

 

They should have multiple targers, at least one of which will be at or near Rogers level. They need at least 2 arms. At least. 

 

If they have to overpay, it's their own fault. They put themselves in this position. And the prices aren't going down as the deadline gets closer anyway. Why would they?

Yep. I have never criticized Bill Smith for trading Wilson Ramos. Sure, I wish Capps had been better, but the 2010 was good enough to win and he went for it. 

 

"Targets."

 

They should have multiple targers, at least one of which will be at or near Rogers level. They need at least 2 arms. At least. 

 

If they have to overpay, it's their own fault. They put themselves in this position. And the prices aren't going down as the deadline gets closer anyway. Why would they?

 

So how much should they overpay?  And do you over pay for a lesser player that's available now or wait for a team to decide if it wants to sell?

This FO has made multiple trades in the final days leading up to the deadline each of the last 2 years which is more than can be said for the TR years.  

 

I will guarantee that multiple deals will be made this week if not I will eat my socks. 

 

This FO has made multiple trades in the final days leading up to the deadline each of the last 2 years which is more than can be said for the TR years.  

 

 

Including the horrible trades of Escobar and Pressly........... Dozier was a good trade though.

Just once, set the market for trades. Outbid the big market teams for the top pitching talent rumored in trades...

 

Do.Something.Falvine.

I’m fine with outbidding for relievers. They aren’t that expensive. Do something guys

While I don't agree with every word of Chief's manifesto, the gist is totally right. False economy and half measures will not do, and the time for action was yesterday, not tomorrow.

It takes two teams to make a trade.  Seems like a lot of them are waiting,waiting, waiting.  Maybe has something to do with so many wondering if they should be sellers or buyers.

 

 

If they have to overpay, it's their own fault.

Yep. Don't misunderstand, I'm not calling anyone stupid. But when something like this happens to me, it's called the Stupidity Tax. It happens to everyone now and then. I pay it and move on.

 

Said another way: they made some decisions in the off-season. Those didn't all work out. Make some new decisions.

It takes two teams to make a trade. Seems like a lot of them are waiting,waiting, waiting. Maybe has something to do with so many wondering if they should be sellers or buyers.

Don’t think Kansas City has that issue.

 

Or the Jays.

 

 

So, take some of Kennedy’s contract and throw them some lottery tickets. As Chief said, maybe 40%, which would work out to about $ 8 -9 mil for the rest of 2019 and all of 2020. Then put together your best package for Stroman and Giles.

 

Stroman may not be the legit ace many have been clamoring for, but he does have 5 postseason starts, or 4 more than everyone else on the staff combined.

Edited July 24, 20197 yr by yarnivek1972

 

Yep. I have never criticized Bill Smith for trading Wilson Ramos. Sure, I wish Capps had been better, but the 2010 was good enough to win and he went for it. 

I liked that he went for it too. What I didn't like is that he went for it by trading the team's best trade chip for a guy that they already had. Capps' numbers were virtually identical to Rauch's.

 

I've been told by people I respect that "the market hasn't been established yet." Personally, I think that's pretty generous excuse making, but ok, let's grant that. We have to wait a week, rather than be a leader and actually establish a market for once.

I really hate that excuse.  It's not like a reliever has never been traded for before in the history of baseball.

 

I can't believe how slow this trading deadline has been.

Including the horrible trades of Escobar and Pressly........... Dozier was a good trade though.

Getting Duran for 2 months of Escobar was a great deal IMO. Reminds me of how we got Escobar for 2 months of Liriano but most called that a bad trade at the time.

 

Trading Pressly and then doing nothing to bolster the pen has been the most confusing thing the FO has done so far. Outside of giving Matt Freaking Belisle most of last season to embarrass himself.

I really do think it has to do with some teams trying to figure out if they are selling.  Also the closer we get to the deadline the more pressure there is to make deals.  The selling team is looking to start a bidding war for their player the buying team is hoping that there is enough quality supply that the price for players drops.  I suspect there won't be much movement until July 29th at the earliest.

What about Sergio Romo? Probably someone that could be had quite easily at this point.. he is nothing special and wont blow it by you with an 86 mph fastball but if the Twins front office is going to go cheap then i dont think hes a terrible option...or am i just grasping at straws right now?

I really do think it has to do with some teams trying to figure out if they are selling. Also the closer we get to the deadline the more pressure there is to make deals. The selling team is looking to start a bidding war for their player the buying team is hoping that there is enough quality supply that the price for players drops. I suspect there won't be much movement until July 29th at the earliest.

Again, if the Jays and Royals haven’t decided to sell, their FO can’t read a standings sheet very well.