July 13, 20197 yr Trade Deadline is Approaching!!!!!! I've seen some articles suggesting trading prospects for pitching help and most say we can afford to do this now. What I'm offering here is a breakdown of the top 40 Twins prospects who were broken down very recently at Twins Daily. I've listed 39 of the 40 prospects by position (I skipped Arraez because he probably is going to stay with the Twins) and listed how many top 40 prospects are ahead of them on the list. For example, Lamonte Wade Jr. has 8 players listed as outfielders ahead of him on the top 40 list. Kohl Stewart has 10 RHP listed higher. I'm not offering any judgments. I'm just offering up some numerical data that hopefully shows where the Twins might be able to put together several packages of prospects to bring to the Twins some needed help. Prospect Prospect Pos # Ranked Rank Higher 30 Lewis Diaz 1B 013 Ryan Jeffers C 016 Ben Rortvedt C 120 Travis Blankenhorn IF 023 Jose Miranda IF 125 Yunior Severino IF 211 Lewis Thorpe LHP 021 Stephen Gonsalves LHP 128 Matt Canterino LHP 229 Devin Smeltzer LHP 3 2 Alex Kirilloff OF 0 4 Trevor Larnach OF 1 8 Brent Rooker OF 215 Matt Wallner OF 317 Akil Baddoo OF 419 Misael Urbina OF 526 Gilberto Celestino OF 627 Luke Raley OF 731 LaMonte Wade Jr OF 835 Jaylin Davis OF 936 Gabriel Maciel OF 1039 Zander Wiel OF 11 3 Brusdar Graterol RHP 0 6 Jordan Balazovic RHP 1 9 Jhoan Duran RHP 210 Blayne Enlow RHP 318 Jorge Alcala RHP 422 Zack Littell RHP 524 Edwar Colina RHP 632 Griffin Jax RHP 733 Tyler Wells RHP 834 Cole Sands RHP 937 Kohl Stewart RHP 1038 Bailey Ober RHP 1140 Sean Poppen RHP 12 1 Royce Lewis SS 0 5 Wander Javier SS 1 7 Keoni Cavaco SS 212 Nick Gordon SS 3 I just spent a half hour formatting and editing this but when I post it, it looks like crap. I hope you guys can figure out what I'm trying to do. Edited July 13, 20197 yr by terrydactyls
July 13, 20197 yr Love looking at the system this way, thanks for putting it together. If I were the GM, I would put the following ten guys, all between #8 and #23 on their prospect list, on the block as chips, and see what I can net in return: 13 Jeffers C20 Blankenhorn 2B23 Miranda 2B11 Thorpe LHP21 Gonsalves LHP8 Rooker OF17 Baddoo OF10 Enlow RHP18 Alcala RHP12 Gordon SS
July 13, 20197 yr Another way of looking at it, is here are the eight guys I want the Twins to avoid trading, if at all possible: 14 Luis Arraez 2B2 Alex Kirilloff OF19 Misael Urbina OF3 Brusdar Graterol RHP6 Jordan Balazovic RHP9 Jhoan Duran RHP1 Royce Lewis SS7 Keoni Cavaco SS This means Larnach and Javier could be included on the trade chip list.
July 13, 20197 yr Interesting chart. Makes sense to me. Need to take into consideration that there is a need for 3 OF minimum per game. 2 C probably per every 3-4 games. All sorts of additional variables, such as the needs on the major league team. Rule 5 eligibility also.
July 14, 20197 yr The sheer number of AAA OF prospects and youth at MLB level tells me we should be very open to trading Outfielders.
July 14, 20197 yr I do agree with the approach. You have to look who is signed long-term at the MLB level as well. You have a SH SS (Polanco) and a LH throwing LH hitting OF (Kepler). You don't want to have many LH throwing LH hitting OFs in general and the Twins have a whole bunch. So I'd pick one (Kirilloff) who might also move to first base also and try to keep him. All the rest, (Cave, Wade & Co) should be available. Larnach, Cabbage, and Blackenhorn (I treat all 3 as OF) throw right, but should probably be included in the equation. There is only one power RH hitter in the high minors, Rooker, so I'd hate to loose him, esp. with Nelson, Schoop, and Cron likely not coming back in 2020.As far as middle infielders go, Polanco and Arraez should be the Twins middle infield for their next 5 years of control. So everyone above, let's say, A class, should be available. Lewis is an exception, because I see him as a Centerfielder, and I would like to see what happens with Buxton long term. I'd keep Diaz because there are not many first basemen in the organization (but they are easy to find as free agents/trades the offseason) I am not convinced that the Twins have any top of the rotation starting prospects in their organization right now, so every pitcher should be available for an ace, esp. Gonsalves, and Graterol who seem to be perennially injured. So, I'd rather not loose these four, but for the right trade that will bring controllable top of the rotation talent, I would not mind seeing them go. The bottom line is that there are not too many chances to get to the post-season and once you get there you better be relevant, so the Twins have a chance this year and they better make it happen. Whatever it takes.
July 14, 20197 yr Cruz is signed for next year at a lower salary than this year. Cron is not a free agent, he is arb eligible. I don’t see any reason why either would be let go.
July 15, 20197 yr I just spent a half hour formatting and editing this but when I post it, it looks like crap. I hope you guys can figure out what I'm trying to do. Does this help?
July 15, 20197 yr Matt Canterino pitches right handed. He is not a southpaw. It would be nice if he was.
July 15, 20197 yr Does this help? Excellent visual, that really makes it easy to peruse. Are the players highlighted in red what the Twins traded for Stroman and Giles, or is it the Bumgarner-Smith package?
July 15, 20197 yr Excellent visual, that really makes it easy to peruse. Are the players highlighted in red what the Twins traded for Stroman and Giles, or is it the Bumgarner-Smith package?All the ones in red are currently on the IL I believe.
July 15, 20197 yr The possibility of obtaining a player with 3 more years of control that is a significant upgrade over what you have should make no prospect untouchable.
July 15, 20197 yr Updated for wishful thinking on Canterino Correct Red indicates currently on IL Gold indicates Rule 5 Eligible this winter
July 15, 20197 yr Another way of looking at it, is here are the eight guys I want the Twins to avoid trading, if at all possible:14 Luis Arraez 2B2 Alex Kirilloff OF19 Misael Urbina OF3 Brusdar Graterol RHP6 Jordan Balazovic RHP9 Jhoan Duran RHP1 Royce Lewis SS7 Keoni Cavaco SSThis means Larnach and Javier could be included on the trade chip list. I was thinking the same thing as Thryos in terms of keeping Diaz. Nice replacement for Cron after next year. I might add Davis to that list too. We don't have much for RH outfielders and he has been a beast this year. Nice 4th OFer at minimum.
July 15, 20197 yr I was thinking the same thing as Thryos in terms of keeping Diaz. Nice replacement for Cron after next year. I might add Davis to that list too. We don't have much for RH outfielders and he has been a beast this year. Nice 4th OFer at minimum. I agree. I like Davis and Jax a lot. I think Jax really knows how to pitch. I would like to add him to that list along with Davis. Edited July 15, 20197 yr by jz7233
July 15, 20197 yr A counter thought. I probably wouldn't be in a huge rush to trade Gordon just yet. We have Arreaz in 1rst place to replace Schoop. But after Arreaz we have Gordon and then Blankenship. We may also want to let that utility guy (I forgot his name) go as he goes over a 2 million salary next year. But if we get some great talent back then no one is off limits. Just thinking of how Gordon could be a minimum wage benefit to us next year. Edited July 15, 20197 yr by Brandon
July 15, 20197 yr This is a bit strange for me, considering where I've been the last several years but I tend to think the Twins don't have great trading depth right now. Apparently Lewis, Kiriloff and Graterol are untouchable. After that, we have two more top 100 guys - Larnich,a 22 year old slugger in A+ ball, and Balazovic who looks like a stud but his upside is still probably a #3. After those two, the minors has been hit by injuries or disappointing play, or both. There's a lot of 45-50 FV depth but not a lot to really excite, say Toronto, to give us Stroman. For example, most of our OF depth looks to be future 4th OF types, not starting players. I think we'll probably be able to trade for some fungible relievers but nothing big. Does anyone know if we're getting a bonus pick this year based on our size?
July 15, 20197 yr This is a bit strange for me, considering where I've been the last several years but I tend to think the Twins don't have great trading depth right now. Apparently Lewis, Kiriloff and Graterol are untouchable. After that, we have two more top 100 guys - Larnich,a 22 year old slugger in A+ ball, and Balazovic who looks like a stud but his upside is still probably a #3. After those two, the minors has been hit by injuries or disappointing play, or both. There's a lot of 45-50 FV depth but not a lot to really excite, say Toronto, to give us Stroman. For example, most of our OF depth looks to be future 4th OF types, not starting players. I think we'll probably be able to trade for some fungible relievers but nothing big. Does anyone know if we're getting a bonus pick this year based on our size?I think to an extent it depends on what you're getting. I'd have no problems headlining a guy like Graterol (with others) for 3 years of Boyd. But yeah, I think a lot of our surplus guys will work well in picking up rental relievers. I wouldn't be shocked at all if one or more of Acala, Ralley, Stewart, Gonsalves, Davis, Jax, or Weil are traded. It will be hard to keep all of them on the 40 man this winter. They have some value, but they aren't netting you that ace. They're all complimentary pieces I'd also add, but given how often Javier is hurt, I'd be more than willing to part with him if someone wants to bite on his upside. I don't think he's a risk to be lost if left unprotected this offseason given his struggles in A ball an injury history. Graterol is in a similar position in my opinion. He's injured all too often. I'm not sure he should be untouchable (though I'd definitely want a high price for him).
July 16, 20197 yr I think to an extent it depends on what you're getting. I'd have no problems headlining a guy like Graterol (with others) for 3 years of Boyd. But yeah, I think a lot of our surplus guys will work well in picking up rental relievers. I wouldn't be shocked at all if one or more of Acala, Ralley, Stewart, Gonsalves, Davis, Jax, or Weil are traded. It will be hard to keep all of them on the 40 man this winter. They have some value, but they aren't netting you that ace. They're all complimentary pieces I'd also add, but given how often Javier is hurt, I'd be more than willing to part with him if someone wants to bite on his upside. I don't think he's a risk to be lost if left unprotected this offseason given his struggles in A ball an injury history. Graterol is in a similar position in my opinion. He's injured all too often. I'm not sure he should be untouchable (though I'd definitely want a high price for him).No one wants to trade for guys they might have to immediately expose because a) they might lose what they just traded for, they may lose someone else they value to rule 5, and c) they may be able to claim them in a few months anyway. The Twins have been guilty of hoarding middling prospects. Some guys need to be traded just top free up space. Don't see the Yankees fretting about the Tyler Austins and Jake Caves they're forced to move on from.
July 16, 20197 yr No one wants to trade for guys they might have to immediately expose because a) they might lose what they just traded for, they may lose someone else they value to rule 5, and c) they may be able to claim them in a few months anyway.The Twins have been guilty of hoarding middling prospects. Some guys need to be traded just top free up space. Don't see the Yankees fretting about the Tyler Austins and Jake Caves they're forced to move on from. That really depends on what they have. Most of your sellers have plenty of chaff on the 40 man (just look at us a few years ago)... so moving someone off with some upside isn't a bad thing... Even sellers a long way off will take a 40 man guy that they can develop for a couple years and then flip for something more valuable. So no, I don't think the near 40 man status will be that big of a deal.
July 17, 20197 yr That really depends on what they have. Most of your sellers have plenty of chaff on the 40 man (just look at us a few years ago)... so moving someone off with some upside isn't a bad thing... Even sellers a long way off will take a 40 man guy that they can develop for a couple years and then flip for something more valuable. So no, I don't think the near 40 man status will be that big of a deal. That really depends on what they have. Most of your sellers have plenty of chaff on the 40 man (just look at us a few years ago)... so moving someone off with some upside isn't a bad thing... Even sellers a long way off will take a 40 man guy that they can develop for a couple years and then flip for something more valuable. So no, I don't think the near 40 man status will be that big of a deal. I dunno. I'm not talking about the Wander Javiers and guys that are for sure additions. But how valuable is someone like Luke Raley? He appears to be MLB ready, but there's almost no chance that he'll be added over Rooker or even Kiriloff at this point of the season, let alone jump Wade, Cave and Astudillo for playing time. Does he have any chance of being added after the season? Let's say we like him. What value does Wade or Cave or Astudillo have? Whether we trade for guys and need spots, or don't trade for guys and the season ends, we have guys that need to be moved or lost.
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