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Last week, we began revealing the Twins Daily Midseason Top 40 Prospects rankings with our choices for prospects 31-40 (Part 1, Part 2). This week, we jump into our Top 30 prospects. These “lower” rankings help illustrate the prospect depth in the Twins organization. Two guys in the 31-40 range have already played in the big leagues. This group reminds us of how quickly talent can be accumulated via trade and the draft.

 

Several of our minor league writers provided player rankings. They were consolidated and our rankings are set. In this set, there are a couple of high-potential players who could quickly rise, and all of them are very capable of playing and contributing in the big leagues. Or, as July approaches, they are candidates to possibly be traded. In fact, 60% of today’s prospects were acquired by the Twins in a trade.Continue reading, and then discussing, the Twins Daily choices for 26th through 30th prospects of the Minnesota Twins below.

 

30. Lewin Diaz - 1B

Age: 22

ETA: Late 2020

2019 Stats (High-A/AA): .303/.343/.541 (.884 OPS), 14 2B, 1 3B, 13 HR, 44 K, 14 BB.

2019 Preseason Ranking: NR

Seth: 25 | Tom: 25 | Cody: 39 | Ted: NR | Steve: 18

 

Diaz was a big prospect when the Twins signed him for $1.4 million in July 2013. He was the Twins Daily short-season Minor League Hitter of the Year in 2016 when he had a strong season at Elizabethton. He was quite productive in Cedar Rapids in 2017. Last year, he struggled in the first half in Ft. Myers and his season ended with wrist surgery. He came to spring training much lighter in 2017 and lighter yet in 2018 and his hard work really paid off. He was red hot in May and selected the Twins Daily Minor League Hitter of the Month when he hit 10 home runs. He was promoted to Pensacola last week and started out hot there.

 

29. Devin Smeltzer - LHP

Age: 23

ETA: 2019

2019 Stats (AAA/MLB): .

MLB: 12.1 IP, 3.65 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, 6.6 K/9, 2.2 BB/9, 3.0 K/BB

MILB: 70.0 IP, 1.80 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 9.4 K/9, 1.5 BB/9, 6.1 K/BB

2019 Ranking: NR

Seth: 31 | Tom: 31 | Cody: 21 | Ted: NR | Steve: NR

 

When the Twins acquired Smeltzer (and Luke Raley) from the Dodgers last July for Brian Dozier, few knew much about the left-hander. And if anything, it was more about his story than his pitching. He had been moved to the bullpen by the Dodgers and pitched in that role in Chattanooga and in the Arizona Fall League. But this offseason, the decision was made for him to return to starting, and he has been terrific. He started in Pensacola where he gave up just two earned runs in 30 innings (five starts). He moved up to Rochester and started with 15 scoreless innings. He came up to the Twins and worked six shutout innings against the Brewers and made one more start. Smeltzer is a good reminder that command for pitchers is key. He tops out at about 92 but he mixes all of his pitches really well and he’s able to miss bats without issuing walks.

 

 

 

28. Matt Canterino - RHP

Age: 21

ETA: 2022

2019 Stats (College): 99.1 IP, 2.81 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 11.0 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 5.3 K/BB

2019 Ranking: NR

Seth: 32 | Tom: 29 | Cody: 28 | Ted: 18 | Steve: 22

 

It is likely we won’t actually see Canterino pitch in 2019, and if he does, it will be with very limited innings in the low minor leagues. Just 21, he has a lot of pitching experience and innings under his belt, so I expect he will be shut down until spring. He has pitched for Rice University the last three years. He is one of just two college pitchers who has over 100 strikeouts in each of the past three seasons. He spent a summer with Team USA. He spent last summer in the Cape Cod League. He throws a fastball that sits in the 92-94 range but he can crank it up into the upper 90s. He’s got a good mid-80s slider and a spike curveball.

 

 

 

27. Luke Raley - OF

Age: 24

ETA: 2020

2019 Stats (AAA): .302/.362/.516 (.878 OPS), 6 2B, 0 3B, 7 HR, 42 K, 7 BB.

2019 Preseason Ranking:

Seth: 19 | Tom: 23 | Cody: 46 | Ted: 15 | Steve: 28

 

Raley has kind of always been an overlooked player. He had a really good high school career, yet he ended up going to Division II Lake Erie College. He dominated at that level but was a seventh-round pick of the Dodgers in 2016. He has put up a lot of power since then while never being considered a top prospect. We continue that trend with these rankings. When Raley’s season came to an abrupt stop with an ankle injury, he was playing well and just starting to display some big power for that Red Wings offense. He has a ton of power, and he’s also got enough speed that he played quite a bit in center field. People tout his high-energy level and willingness to work, along with his power potential.

 

26. Gilberto Celestino - OF

ETA: 2018

Age: 20

2019 Stats (Low-A): .217/.298/.314 (.612 OPS), 11 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 51 K, 28 BB.

2019 Ranking: 16

Seth: 27 | Tom: 26 | Cody: 27 | Ted: 24 | Steve: 29

 

The Twins acquired Celestino, along with RHP Jorge Alcala, late last July from the Houston Astros in exchange for RHP Ryan Pressly. Celestino was a big international signing when he was a 16-year-old. He is a very good athlete. He’s not tall, but he is built strong and has really good speed. Some scouting reports indicate that he a very good defensive center fielder with a strong arm and room to continue to improve. Offensively, he works counts and is willing to take walks, though that has led to a lot of strikeouts to this point. He’s very young for the Midwest League and has not been over-matched.

 

 

That's it for now. The prospect rankings will continue tomorrow. Feel free to ask questions and leave comments below.

 

 

Twins Daily 2019 Midseason Prospect Rankings

 

Prospects 36-40

Prospects 31-35

Prospects 26-30

Prospects 21-25 (Coming Soon)

 

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Man that is a lot of good talent at the bottom of the top 30.  I am going to quibble with a couple of picks in this range though.  First is Smeltzer.  I essentially compare him to Gonsalves they both were dominant in AA and AAA.  Neither one has elite stuff but they both have a good pitch mix.  Smeltzer has better control, performed better on the MLB stage and is essentially two years younger than Stephen.  At this point why wouldn't he be ranked higher?  What does Gonsalves have that Smeltzer doesn't.  It  feels like there might be some sort of player bias happening there?  The narrative doesn't fit for me. 

 

Second is Raley.  He is Rooker with good speed and position flexibilty.  Why would Raley be ranked lower?  They are both the same age. Rooker does have some monster power but his lack of defensive ability makes him a potential liability in the field. When measuring a prospect Defense is almost as important as offense and certainly a separator when comparing players.  Raley K's less, walks more with almost as much power.  Feels like the ratings are opposite of what they should be.  Is this Draft position bias at play?  Given what I know I don't see Rooker as the better player even despite his recent hot streak with the bat as he will never be as good in the field as Raley.

 

I am happy to see Celestino further down the list as he seems a light hitting Center fielder with a decent eye at the plate.  Unfortunately that could make him a fourth outfielder if he doesn't find more extra base pop.  Granted he is only 20 with time to grow into the man muscle.  Time will tell but right now given what we know he belongs down here.  I might even have him slightly lower.

 

I never was big fan of Diaz because it was an all bat pick and I really didn't think he would produce.  He is proving me wrong on a daily basis these days.  His 13 HR's in half a season at High A is very impressive.  This guy could be Rooker part 2 with a better eye at the plate.  I don't know much about his defense but don't believe it is great so I think he is good where he is.  If he continues to hit for power and average on his way up then he will need to move up this list.

 

That's my two cents.  I just appreciate you guys putting these lists out as it is fun to follow these players.

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DMAN, liked your post but decided not to copy for brevity sake. (That's really saying something for ME, LOL)

 

I don't want to speak out of turn for Seth, or anyone else, but I suspect Gonsalves is rated higher...partially due to not being downgraded due to injury...because his build and velocity is bigger and a couple MPH better on average. He also has more time at AAA. And even though he was hit and cold in 2018, there were stretches where he was awfully good. But I hear and see your point 100%. Both guys just have the "pitchability" factor that should never be ignored.

 

I'm also with you on Raley. I even made some statements early in the season that I felt Raley was a better overall prospect than Rooker. And that's NOT a shot at Rooker, who probably has even more power, but Raley seems to have way more positional flexibility. For goodness sake, even in ST they put him in CF. Seems to me he's "similar" to Kepler in many regards, but probably not as natural in CF.

 

Seems like Diaz has been around FOREVER. And then I see he's only 22, at AA, maybe having his best season ever, and has matured mentally and physically. He keeps this up, he could be top 20 by season's end, despite depth in the system.

 

Disappointed we probably won't see Canterino this year. But it makes sense. I wont use tbe word "abused", but most college SP log a lot of IP already when drafted between their season and various "off season" leagues they appear in.

 

I just don't know enough about Celestino to comment. Simply going to trust the informed TD staff on this one. But would love to hear more about projections regarding him.

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It's hard to speak to what our writers voted based on. We use the five writers votes and each of those writers are subject to their opinions. 

 

Raley - I moved him up about 10 spots in my personal rankings, and if he wouldn't have been hurt, maybe he would keep going. He was playing very well. I will also say that Rooker has been incredible. He's got an OPS in AAA of nearly 1.000 and that's after a very slow start. That is what he is capable of, and that's why I still have him higher than Raley.

 

Smeltzer/Gonsalves - I think he'll find that these rankings are closer than you might think. Again, several opinions. Some may depend on the severity of his injury. 

 

Celestino is all about tools and potential at this point. The numbers for a 20 year old in Cedar Rapids aren't as important as a 23 year old in Cedar Rapids or Ft. Myers. Rankings are different for everyone. Some make it just about upside. Some about level of play, proximity to the big leagues... Hopefully when we get done with the rankings, lots of others will start putting their top 20 or top 30 rankings into the blogs or our comments. 

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DMAN, liked your post but decided not to copy for brevity sake. (That's really saying something for ME, LOL)

I don't want to speak out of turn for Seth, or anyone else, but I suspect Gonsalves is rated higher...partially due to not being downgraded due to injury...because his build and velocity is bigger and a couple MPH better on average. He also has more time at AAA. And even though he was hit and cold in 2018, there were stretches where he was awfully good. But I hear and see your point 100%. Both guys just have the "pitchability" factor that should never be ignored.

I'm also with you on Raley. I even made some statements early in the season that I felt Raley was a better overall prospect than Rooker. And that's NOT a shot at Rooker, who probably has even more power, but Raley seems to have way more positional flexibility. For goodness sake, even in ST they put him in CF. Seems to me he's "similar" to Kepler in many regards, but probably not as natural in CF.

Seems like Diaz has been around FOREVER. And then I see he's only 22, at AA, maybe having his best season ever, and has matured mentally and physically. He keeps this up, he could be top 20 by season's end, despite depth in the system.

Disappointed we probably won't see Canterino this year. But it makes sense. I wont use tbe word "abused", but most college SP log a lot of IP already when drafted between their season and various "off season" leagues they appear in.

I just don't know enough about Celestino to comment. Simply going to trust the informed TD staff on this one. But would love to hear more about projections regarding him.

 

I really like your Raley, Kepler comparison.  I hadn't thought about that before and if that holds up what a find Raley is.  It is super hard to find right fielders with Keplers speed, plate discipline and power and having Raley who is close to that is nice to have in the system.  I also think it proves Raley is more valuable than a player like Rooker.  Rookers hit tool would have to be elite as in one of he best in MLB to overcome his lack of defensive ability\ flexiblity compared to Raley.  Raleys sklll set is much harder to find than a power hitting 1st baseman\DH.  I know right now Rooker is on a hot streak and I still like him as a prospect I just think being so limited to just the bat diminishes how high he should be on a prospect list and or that Raley deserves a bit more love than he is getting.

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Just some of my quick thoughts on these guys ...

 

Diaz: Very exciting to see what he's done. He went through such a physical transformation prior to last season I suspect that may have played a role in his down year. Is there such a thing as losing too much weight? I think we're probably too low on him at this point. I'm including myself in that assessment. If he continues to hit for Pensacola, I'm sure he'll keep climbing back up these rankings.

 

Smeltzer: This guy can really pitch and is a competitor. He gives me a bit of a Chase De Jong vibe though, but being left handed is a nice advantage to Smeltzer. On the Gonsalves comp, I only have Stephen a few spots ahead of him. 

 

Canterino: Incredibly difficult to get a feel for who these recent draftees are and where they belong. Where we have him seems right, at least for now. 

 

Raley: More athletic than he looks, but any Kepler comps are unfair. He has seen some time in center field when Wade and Rooker have been in the corners, but he's not a realistic option there, unlike Max. I like Raley, was the high man on him in the prospect handbook by a decent margin, so I don't want to make it seem like I don't see it, but his offensive potential is nowhere near the same class as Rooker, in my opinion. We're seeing what Rooker can do when he's on right now, and it's incredible.

 

Celestino: My suspicion was that we were going to see him bust out this month. He got off to a great start, and has improved from his April/May numbers, but not to the degree I had hoped. One thing to keep in mind is his BABIP is only .255. So if he can even just get a few more hits to fall in, those numbers will jump. Good athlete, takes good at bats

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I like Raley, was the high man on him in the prospect handbook by a decent margin, so I don't want to make it seem like I don't see it, but his offensive potential is nowhere near the same class as Rooker, in my opinion. We're seeing what Rooker can do when he's on right now, and it's incredible.

 

While I agree despite the current stats I like Rooker better as a hitter long term but to say Raley is nowhere near the same class belies the current statistical data we have on both players.  Raleys OPS was better than Rookers last year and they both hit 20 home runs.  Raley had hit 7 home runs and had a 300 average before Rooker was even close to getting hot this year, Is that really not in the same class?  It sure seems like they have been pretty close offensively so far and Raley is the superior defender. 

 

Maybe that will all change.  Maybe Raley goes back to the 270 hitter he has been and Rooker moves into the 300 range with power and you get your future separation but I wouldn't hang my hat on that especially with Rookers K issues.  Personally I like both bats but like Raleys defense better.  Doesn't matter to me that Rooker can hit a 500 foot HR and Raley a 400 foot one.  They both count the same.

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Just gonna throw in some of my thoughts on the guys being discussed:

 

Smeltzer: I did not rank him, but he was in my last group of eliminations, so he's a "just missed" guy (I did a top 30 so I'd have him right around where Seth and Tom do). He's been awesome so far this year, but I caution people for overly rewarding out of nowhere dominance when that has never been in a guys track record or perceived potential. Scouting reports and data on a guy can very quickly adapt when a change is not bore out by pure dominating stuff. That said, I love guys like Smeltzer and he can shove remarks like that back in my face for as long as he wants.

 

Raley: There's a lot to like in there, and certainly has more traits than Rooker from a defensive standpoint. He's a major leaguer for sure. But he also strikes out a lot, and actually doesn't walk much (his walk rate has fallen into 6% territory at triple-A and in general as he's moved up the ladder). What gets him to a nice looking isoD and OBP number is hit by pitches, and that's not going to translate. Rooker, on the other hand, has increased his walk rate while in the system, and is in 14% territory at triple-A right now. They very likely could look similar when they're both in the majors, but the potential with Rooker's bat I think is much higher. Raley could easily be in my top 20 depending on your preferences.

 

Celestino: Whole bunch of tools, not any production so far this year. I disagree with the comment in the article, he is over-matched right now, though it doesn't show up in K totals or lack of walks. His low BABIP is mentioned, but sometimes you have to take the "luck" part out of that and realize it can be low because he's not hitting anything solid. But because of those tools, he certainly can move up my list when they start showing.

 

Diaz: I'm buying it, so that's why I'm the high man in the individual rankings. He's never been strikeout prone and with his dedication to changing his body I think he's finally putting those pieces together to work correctly.

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If this group can't make the organization's Top 25, wow!

 

Liked many of the above comments, thanks guys.  Personally, I wouldn't include Celestino with this group until he starts to deliver somewhat on those tools.  Same with Canterino.  Expect both are legitimate players to consider in this range, until we see the players surrounding them who have delivered. 

 

 

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While I agree despite the current stats I like Rooker better as a hitter long term but to say Raley is nowhere near the same class belies the current statistical data we have on both players.  Raleys OPS was better than Rookers last year and they both hit 20 home runs.  Raley had hit 7 home runs and had a 300 average before Rooker was even close to getting hot this year, Is that really not in the same class?  It sure seems like they have been pretty close offensively so far and Raley is the superior defender. 

 

Maybe that will all change.  Maybe Raley goes back to the 270 hitter he has been and Rooker moves into the 300 range with power and you get your future separation but I wouldn't hang my hat on that especially with Rookers K issues.  Personally I like both bats but like Raleys defense better.  Doesn't matter to me that Rooker can hit a 500 foot HR and Raley a 400 foot one.  They both count the same.

Stats aren't everything, but something to keep in mind about Raley's OPS is his OBP has been supported somewhat by taking an insane number of hit by pitches. Raley's been hit with 29 pitches the past two seasons. Here are their K and BB rates the past two seasons. 

 

Rooker: 28.7 K%, 10.8 BB%

Raley: 26.0 K%, 6.2 BB%

 

Raley may be the superior defender, but I don't see his fielding ever really being an asset at the MLB level anyway. I like Raley, he was a good find, I'm not trying to say he's hopeless or anything. I just think Rooker's ceiling is much higher.

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Stats aren't everything, but something to keep in mind about Raley's OPS is his OBP has been supported somewhat by taking an insane number of hit by pitches. Raley's been hit with 29 pitches the past two seasons. Here are their K and BB rates the past two seasons. 

 

Rooker: 28.7 K%, 10.8 BB%

Raley: 26.0 K%, 6.2 BB%

 

Raley may be the superior defender, but I don't see his fielding ever really being an asset at the MLB level anyway. I like Raley, he was a good find, I'm not trying to say he's hopeless or anything. I just think Rooker's ceiling is much higher.

 

I guess I am struggling with your view of ceiling.  Does it not include defense?  I mean would you rather have Josh Willingham (Rooker) in left field or Rosario (Raley) in left?  I think defense matters and plays into ceiling a fair bit.  Granted very good to great hitters can be hidden at 1st, and DH and Left field if so desired but you are going to lose runs with poor defensive players think of the Tigers Nick Castelanos.

 

Sure offensively Rooker has some things going for him right now.  I like that the K rate is down a bit and the walks are up that is a good thing, but is it impossible for Raley to do the same?  Is it impossible for Raley to improve?  These guys are 25 how much ceiling is left?  They have been comparable offensively until Raley got hurt.  Do you really think Rooker will be a 300 hitter with a 30- 40%% K rate in MLB? To me that is about the only ceiling that would really separate him from Raley.  They both seem like 270 mashers with high K rates and hopefully decent walk rates. Maybe Rooker can separate himself but he is going to need to continue to improve quite a bit from where he is now to get to the ceiling you imagine IMO.

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I guess I am struggling with your view of ceiling.  Does it not include defense?  I mean would you rather have Josh Willingham (Rooker) in left field or Rosario (Raley) in left? 

If Raley was anywhere near close to the defender a Max Kepler or Eddie Rosario is, that would certainly change the equation. But Rooker vs. Raley is a lot closer to Willingham vs. Grossman than it is Willingham vs. Rosario. Either way, you're not going to be very excited about either of them patrolling the outfield for you. The bat is going to have to carry both these guys.

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If Raley was anywhere near close to the defender a Max Kepler or Eddie Rosario is, that would certainly change the equation. But Rooker vs. Raley is a lot closer to Willingham vs. Grossman than it is Willingham vs. Rosario. Either way, you're not going to be very excited about either of them patrolling the outfield for you. The bat is going to have to carry both these guys.

 If that is the case then I like Rooker better.  But if what you say is true then why does the MLB site say this about Rooker:

 

"The big question surrounding Rooker is where he might play defensively. He saw time at first and left field in 2018, and the plan is to give him a consistent time split at both. He's below-average in both spots, with the hope that he can become adequate enough at one so he's not a DH at a very young age."

 

And this about Raley:

 

"Raley has played first base and both outfield corners and has shown an ability to play both well. He's athletic enough to fill in as a center fielder in a pinch as well, which bodes well for him to start his career as a left-handed bat off the bench. He could hit his way into a more regular role in the future."

 

Fangraphs is pretty much the same.  With higher grades on speed, arm and Fielding.

 

Based on what I have read Rooker is a below average defender pretty much everywhere while Raley is not.  While Raley may be no Kepler or Rosario he certainly is no Willingham or Rooker in the field either.

 

I get it we like both players I just don't see why there would\should be that a large of a difference between the two as their strengths and weakness's seem to even things out IMO.

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If Raley was anywhere near close to the defender a Max Kepler or Eddie Rosario is, that would certainly change the equation. But Rooker vs. Raley is a lot closer to Willingham vs. Grossman than it is Willingham vs. Rosario. Either way, you're not going to be very excited about either of them patrolling the outfield for you. The bat is going to have to carry both these guys.

MLB pipeline has Raley at a 55 fielding tool, versus a 40 for Rooker.

I think you are significantly underselling Raley's defense. I have to imagine that 55 is pretty close to what Kepler and/or Rosario would have graded when they were prospects.

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MLB pipeline has Raley at a 55 fielding tool, versus a 40 for Rooker.
I think you are significantly underselling Raley's defense. I have to imagine that 55 is pretty close to what Kepler and/or Rosario would have graded when they were prospects.

It's probably also what Grossman rated as a prospect. 

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MLB pipeline has Raley at a 55 fielding tool, versus a 40 for Rooker.
I think you are significantly underselling Raley's defense. I have to imagine that 55 is pretty close to what Kepler and/or Rosario would have graded when they were prospects.

 

Looking back the MLB archives we get the following scouting grades from MLB.com

 

Luke Raley 2019

 

Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45

 

Eddie Rosario 2014

 

Hit: 60 | Power: 40 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 50

 

Max Kepler 2014

 

Hit: 50 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 45 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

 

So from a defensive perspective they appear to rate Raley as having a better arm and the better overall fielder with a run grade the same as Max and Rosie.  So I don't think it is out the relm to think that Raley should be a good defender in the outfield at least if we take any stock in these grades at all.

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It's probably also what Grossman rated as a prospect. 

  Top 15 Prospects: Pittsburgh Pirates

by Marc Hulet
January 27, 2012

5. Robbie Grossman, OF    In the field he has a solid skill set for right field, where he should be at least an average defender.

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Looking back the MLB archives we get the following scouting grades from MLB.com

 

Luke Raley 2019

 

Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45

 

Eddie Rosario 2014

 

Hit: 60 | Power: 40 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 50

 

Max Kepler 2014

 

Hit: 50 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 45 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

I wonder if they incorporate OF position into their fielding metric. Rosario and Kepler came up playing mostly CF (on non-byron buxton teams), while Raley has played <5% of his innings in CF.

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I wonder if they incorporate OF position into their fielding metric. Rosario and Kepler came up playing mostly CF (on non-byron buxton teams), while Raley has played <5% of his innings in CF.

 

I thought the same thing I am not completely sure on the fielding metric.  In the write up they mention him as an outfielder and he is listed as outfielder\1st base.  I agree it is hard to say what position they are referencing.  The run grade is similar though and that is typically an important part of outfield defense getting to balls and or cutting them off to prevent extra base hits.  Arm is also important for outfield assists\throwing runners out and Raley's arm grades out above both Max and Rosie.

 

So like I said if you believe in these numbers then Raley should be comparable and in some ways better than both Rosario and Kepler in the outfield.  Granted bigger guys tend to get slower faster as they age. The reference to Robbie being noted he is no spring chicken anymore at 29 and his speed obviously declined since he was a prospect so again hard to say how Raley's speed will hold up but given the fairly recent scouting reports on MLB.com they don't see him as a liability in right or left field at this time.

 

OK now I see what you mean.  I don't know that is a very good question though.  Center field defense is a lot different than the corners but I think run grades are just run grades regardless of position.  Fielding grades might be different for center though as your running and throwing ability factor in more to your fielding grade for center I would think.

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They are raw grades, independent of position.

A guy who isn't good enough to play anywhere but first base is never going to have an 80 grade, even if he's the best defensive first baseman to ever play the game.

It could just as well be called an "athletic" grade, rather than fielding.

A guy with an 80 fielding grade is athletic enough to play anywhere, 60 can probably pass anywhere, but might need to eventually move off SS or CF, 40 can likely only play a corner position, etc.

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