Trade Target: Ken Giles

[goulik]

2019 Giles has pitched 25 innings in 25 games with 11 saves. He has struck out 42 with a 1.04 WHIP and 1.08 ERA

Career he has pitched 319 innings with 431 K's, 102 saves and 2.68 ERA.

He is controllable for one more year and is stuck on the Blue Jays squad.

Thoughts? Would you want him and what would it take to get him?

[James]

 

2019 Giles has pitched 25 innings in 25 games with 11 saves. He has struck out 42 with a 1.04 WHIP and 1.08 ERA

Career he has pitched 319 innings with 431 K's, 102 saves and 2.68 ERA.

He is controllable for one more year and is stuck on the Blue Jays squad.

Thoughts? Would you want him and what would it take to get him?

I'm interested for sure.  I think he'll get traded for sure this year as it looks like the Blue Jays are going to (and have already kind of started to) have a fire sale.  

 

I'm not sure how many prospects it is going to take though.  He seems to be highly values based on the trades he was a part of previously.  

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

yes please.

 

I don't know what the Jays want. I don't think you're going to need to send a top prospect for him, but I do think it's going to be similar to what Houston gave up to get Pressley last year. You're likely parting with 2 prospects in our top 20. 

[yarnivek1972]

yes please.

 

I don't know what the Jays want. I don't think you're going to need to send a top prospect for him, but I do think it's going to be similar to what Houston gave up to get Pressley last year. You're likely parting with 2 prospects in our top 20.

I would assume more. Like it or not, having “closer” experience still matters in trade/FA negotiations. The analytics guys may not value the 9th inning more than innings 6-8, but everyone else does.

[nicksaviking]

I've been on and off the Giles bandwagon all year. At this moment, I'm fairly favorable to the idea. If he's been disruptive in Toronto, there doesn't seem to be anyone reporting on it. 

 

That face punching thing still gives me pause though. This guy doesn't seem terribly in control of himself. 

 

I might try to get another reliever first though for immediate assistance and then try to drag Toronto along long enough to see if Pittsburgh or Cincinnati become sellers, because while Felipe Vazquez and Raisel Iglesias may cost a bit more, all three probably start with similar high end prospects, and I'd much rather have one of those two.

[MNT1996]

Id rather go with the Madison Bumgarner + Will Smith package if possible

[Puckett34]

Between Giles or Will Smith. Whomever has more control beyond 2019. 

 

But I'd take both.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Id rather go with the Madison Bumgarner + Will Smith package if possible

Smith, yes. Bumgarner, pass. He's sitting at a 4.05 ERA in the NL right now. If they want to get an ace, I'm all for that, but MadBum isn't that guy this year.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I would assume more. Like it or not, having “closer” experience still matters in trade/FA negotiations. The analytics guys may not value the 9th inning more than innings 6-8, but everyone else does.

 

I'm not sure I agree there, but you may be right. I don't think they will need to part with any of the big 3, but I do think we could end up losing guys like Enlow, Duran, Blankenhorn, Acala, etc. 

[70charger]

 

I'm not sure I agree there, but you may be right. I don't think they will need to part with any of the big 3, but I do think we could end up losing guys like Enlow, Duran, Blankenhorn, Acala, etc. 

 

This is my expectation too. Something a bit heavier than the Ryan Pressly return. Would something like a combo of Lewis Thorpe and Akil Baddoo get it done?

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

This is my expectation too. Something a bit heavier than the Ryan Pressly return. Would something like a combo of Lewis Thorpe and Akil Baddoo get it done?

 

I would think so... But I'm not the guy making that decision.

[SomeGuy]

 

I would assume more. Like it or not, having “closer” experience still matters in trade/FA negotiations. The analytics guys may not value the 9th inning more than innings 6-8, but everyone else does.

Plus Pressley's general track record at the time of the trade wasn't very close to Giles. Pressley is on a different level now than he ever was with the Twins. It was known he had high spin rates but he was inconsistent and didn't start striking people out until 2018. Giles has been mostly dominate his entire career.

[Otto von Ballpark]

This is my expectation too. Something a bit heavier than the Ryan Pressly return. Would something like a combo of Lewis Thorpe and Akil Baddoo get it done?

I don't think so? At least not yet. Two 40 FV prospects, one out for the season after surgery, the other with a 5.95 ERA at AAA. I think Thorpe is better than that, of course, but this combo seems light for a guy who is absolutely dominating MLB hitters right now, with an extra year of control too.

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd think Gordon and Enlow should be enough to get it done. Thoughts on that package? Is that enough? Would you part with those two for a reliever?

I think I'd do it, but it'd sting a little, which means it's probably fair.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I'd think Gordon and Enlow should be enough to get it done. Thoughts on that package? Is that enough? Would you part with those two for a reliever?
I think I'd do it, but it'd sting a little, which means it's probably fair.

 

Given that he's still got a few years of team control I'd say that's probably about right.  And yes, I would.

[Thrylos]

 

I'd think Gordon and Enlow should be enough to get it done. Thoughts on that package? Is that enough? Would you part with those two for a reliever?
I think I'd do it, but it'd sting a little, which means it's probably fair.

 

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Twodogs]

I wonder if Ryan Madson would be worth working out? Maybe send him to AAA for 2 - 3 weeks see if he has anything in the tank while the Twins kick tires on some trades?? I know he blew the WS for the Dodgers last year but dang in 2017 he was lights out. I think it would be worth a look to see if he can fool some guys for a couple of months.

[Mike Sixel]

This is my expectation too. Something a bit heavier than the Ryan Pressly return. Would something like a combo of Lewis Thorpe and Akil Baddoo get it done?

Two injured players?

[nicksaviking]

This is my expectation too. Something a bit heavier than the Ryan Pressly return. Would something like a combo of Lewis Thorpe and Akil Baddoo get it done?

That seems really light on the Twins side to me for Giles. Even with my built in hesitations I’d jump in that, and I’ve long been a Thorpe fan.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I'd think Gordon and Enlow should be enough to get it done. Thoughts on that package? Is that enough? Would you part with those two for a reliever?

I think I'd do it, but it'd sting a little, which means it's probably fair.

I think I would do it for a dominant Giles with 2020 control, but I am not sure the Jays bite, especially not so soon. Gordon and Enlow are both 40 FV prospects now on Fangraphs, and neither has been particularly impressive. And the Jays have prospects Biggio and Bichette knocking on the door at 2B and SS, so I'm not sure Gordon's middle infield skills or nearness to MLB carry any special value for them either.

 

I think they would aim to move their needle a bit more than Gordon/Enlow would do, and they may target upside/ceiling more than floor too. I think they'd try to do better up to July 31st, and they very well might. Giles has had his ups and downs, but he's got a pedigree and is having a pretty special season right now.

[USAFChief]

 

I think I would do it for a dominant Giles with 2020 control, but I am not sure the Jays bite, especially not so soon. Gordon and Enlow are both 40 FV prospects now on Fangraphs, and neither has been particularly impressive. And the Jays have prospects Biggio and Bichette knocking on the door at 2B and SS, so I'm not sure Gordon's middle infield skills or nearness to MLB carry any special value for them either.

I think they would aim to move their needle a bit more than Gordon/Enlow would do, and they may target upside/ceiling more than floor too. I think they'd try to do better up to July 31st, and they very well might. Giles has had his ups and downs, but he's got a pedigree and is having a pretty special season right now.

They'll get more than that for Giles. He'll be the number one reliever target.

[curt1965]

I know it’s early June, but games count the same now as they do in September. What good does it do to have a great farm system and have 90% of the good prospects languish in the minors and never make it to the show.

The Twins have at least 5 players-Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Polanco, and probably Sano-they will be in Minnesota for at least the next 5 years. Garver will probably be in that group also. Add Lewis and Kirilloff, and there you go. If they are serious about this year, make something happen NOW!

[Mr. Brooks]

I think I would do it for a dominant Giles with 2020 control, but I am not sure the Jays bite, especially not so soon. Gordon and Enlow are both 40 FV prospects now on Fangraphs, and neither has been particularly impressive. And the Jays have prospects Biggio and Bichette knocking on the door at 2B and SS, so I'm not sure Gordon's middle infield skills or nearness to MLB carry any special value for them either.

 

I think they would aim to move their needle a bit more than Gordon/Enlow would do, and they may target upside/ceiling more than floor too. I think they'd try to do better up to July 31st, and they very well might. Giles has had his ups and downs, but he's got a pedigree and is having a pretty special season right now.

What do you think it would take?

[Mike Sixel]

What do you think it would take?

There isn't much high end pitching in this system, so two of the top ten hitters....

[drivlikejehu]

 

They'll get more than that for Giles. He'll be the number one reliever target.

 

Enlow's stock is rising, Gordon's not so much, but substitute a B- guy and that's about right. They won't get an elite prospect for Giles. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

What do you think it would take?

Good question!

 

Like anything, different offers would have different odds of acceptance. If you really wanted to get him, and soon, I suppose you might have to offer one of Larnach, Javier, Jeffers, or Rortvedt? Or Balazovic, on the pitching side?

 

A lesser offer like Gordon/Enlow could eventually land him too, but it might take some time, and of course the odds of that offer ultimately prevailing over all others are much lower too. I have a feeling most teams could put together a comparable package, and then you'd be at the mercy of the Jays whims and preferences.

[Tomj14]

They way I see it, think of the Twins Minor League system as another teams, and what would it have taken to trade Rogers or Presley to another team last year.

Would you have taken Gordon/Enlow last for those one of those two? If not, then it probably isn't enough for another team this year.

If I am another team I am looking at Duran (because I assume I am not getting Lewis, Kirillof or Graterol for a relief pitcher. Then somebody like Severino (high upside guy that hasn't reached the potential yet), and maybe throw in Gonzo.

If the Twins say no to that deal, I drop from Duran to Enlow and see what hey say.

 

But I might not be the best person to ask, because if I am running the Twins and I want Giles because I think can help the team today, I make an offer they can't refuse today! I don't wait to see if I can get a better deal.

[Linus]

I wonder what it would take to get that Ryan Pressly guy from Houston?

[mendozaline]

After a quick look it appears Toronto is light on C and OF prospects. I'd go something like: Larnach, Gonzalves/Alcala, one of Jeffers/Rortvedt and a lotto ticket for Giles and Stroman. Would that be enough? 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

After a quick look it appears Toronto is light on C and OF prospects. I'd go something like: Larnach, Gonzalves/Alcala, one of Jeffers/Rortvedt and a lotto ticket for Giles and Stroman. Would that be enough? 

Hadn't thought of that. I think it could be close. Upthread, I had suggested one of Larnach, Jeffers, or Rortvedt (and maybe a lotto ticket?) to get Giles today. So in effect, this would be another one of those guys, plus a pitching prospect, for Stroman.

 

Maybe you'd have to upgrade the pitching prospect? I don't think Gonsalves would be involved, especially not while he's on the shelf. I don't know how they'd view Alcala or Duran. I guess Graterol would be off limits -- Balazovic too?