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drivlikejehu
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Kind of impressive that the Twins have such a good record under the leadership of a front office that's apparently worse at drafting than the majority of Twins Daily users.

Squirrel
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Knock it off! Seriously! No one wants only gushing, positive posts ... but some get tired of the constant whining without bringing forth any real discussion. This has been your mantra just about every

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Mom's bringing the heat, signalling that he needs first-round money.  Savvy veteran move by a parent.

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Will Holland, Auburn, SS.

 

Yeah, this is definitely interesting. Perhaps they see a weakness on the hitting side in the lower minors? Lots of MIs... 

 

Still want to see some high schoolers. I've got to think these guys will be going under slot. 

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Grabbing too many guys with potential hit tool problems.  To me that doesn't bode well as those guys typically can't do well enough to make it to MLB.  I liked the past two drafts better when they went for players with good hit tools and more average to slightly above average measurables.  If you can't hit the best you can be is a utlity player.  Not getting a good vibe from this draft so far.  Too much risk for me.

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Isn't the draft 40 rounds long?  I'd like to see some pitching soon too, but we are barely even 15% thru this thing.

 

How many good/great pitchers do you think get drafted around round 5? 

 

I guess I should bail on the thread, it seems like people only want positive, gushing, posts. 

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If Holland was a steal who fell because of an off year, is there a risk he will do what Rooker did following his junior year?  Will $360,000+/- be enough to discourage Holland from returning for his senior year in hope of going higher in the 2020 draft, much higher?

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Grabbing too many guys with potential hit tool problems.  To me that doesn't bode well as those guys typically can't do well enough to make it to MLB.  I liked the past two drafts better when they went for players with good hit tools and more average to slightly above average measurables.  If you can't hit the best you can be is a utlity player.  Not getting a good vibe from this draft so far.  Too much risk for me.

 

The primary risk with almost all prospects is that they just aren't good enough. If they don't have the tools to make a difference, who cares if they have a mechanically sound swing?

 

You can try to fix mechanics much easier than you can improve athleticism. That's why teams have a minor league infrastructure, to hone players' skills and get the most of out their tools.

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How many good/great pitchers do you think get drafted around round 5? 

 

I guess I should bail on the thread, it seems like people only want positive, gushing, posts. 

Knock it off! Seriously! No one wants only gushing, positive posts ... but some get tired of the constant whining without bringing forth any real discussion. This has been your mantra just about every draft ... 'Why aren't the Twins drafting pitching? They are never going to sign any or trade for any.' I've heard it over and over. Take a step back.

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Knock it off! Seriously! No one wants only gushing, positive posts ... but some get tired of the constant whining without bringing forth any real discussion. This has been your mantra just about every draft ... 'Why aren't the Twins drafting pitching? They are never going to sign any or trade for any.' I've heard it over and over. Take a step back.

 

Just like every year I asked why the Vikings didn't take OL early......sometimes an organizational philosophy isn't great, even if everything else about the team is. 

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If Holland was a steal who fell because of an off year, is there a risk he will do what Rooker did following his junior year?  Will $360,000+/- be enough to discourage Holland from returning for his senior year in hope of going higher in the 2020 draft, much higher?

 

Usually they know his number.  There should be savings with a few other picks, I wouldn't think they would have to use a lot of it on him.

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How many good/great pitchers do you think get drafted around round 5? 

 

I guess I should bail on the thread, it seems like people only want positive, gushing, posts. 

While not exactly a full substitute, it is worth factoring the pitching talent that was brought in at the trade deadline last year. According to Fangraphs FV rankings at the deadline, Duran, Rijo, Alcala, and Smeltzer all would have slid into the top 120 players in this draft. So it is kind of like they spent a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th round pick on pitchers... last year at the trade deadline.

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How many good/great pitchers do you think get drafted around round 5? 

 

I guess I should bail on the thread, it seems like people only want positive, gushing, posts. 

I understand what you are saying, but I am a big believer in drafting the BPA. The MLB draft is such a crapshoot and the players (especially after the first couple rounds) are so far away from the majors drafting for position alone wouldn't be optimal. Obviously you need to diversify, but if you truly believe the position player you are taking is a tier above the pitcher, take the position player every time. 

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While not exactly a full substitute, it is worth factoring the pitching talent that was brought in at the trade deadline last year. According to Fangraphs FV rankings at the deadline, Duran, Rijo, Alcala, and Smeltzer all would have slid into the top 120 players in this draft. So it is kind of like they spent a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th round pick on pitchers... last year at the trade deadline.

 

agreed, and I acknowledged and praised that. But, now that they are entering the competitive phase of the rebuild, they hopefully aren't trading MLB players for prospects for the next 5 years or so. 

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How many good/great pitchers do you think get drafted around round 5? 

 

I guess I should bail on the thread, it seems like people only want positive, gushing, posts. 

How many good/great pitchers do you think are even drafted outside of the first round? Not many, but it does happen.

 

Something to keep in mind is that this current bonus pool system has only been around since 2012, and I think teams only really learned how to use it strategically a couple years after that. So it's tough to really try to look back with this short a timeline, but back in 2015, Chris Paddock, one of the best pitchers in baseball right now, was taken in the eighth round.

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Holland is more intriguing to me than the last two.  Seems like a good pick in the 5th round.

 

Sounds like he's a bit of a reclamation project that they'll need to work on mechanically.  But it's hard to find tools like his in the 5th round.

Yeah, these guys are all very unfamiliar to me, so much more research will need to be done, but I won't be at all surprised if my first prospect list after the draft has Holland above both Steer and Gray.

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