2 Days 2 Go

[Coobelz]

June 03 is the day we find out if we locked up Kimbrel and/or Keuchel. Predictions?

[MNT1996]

My gut says we'll pick up Kimbrel for 2 years. Probably around the 35mil range for 2 years if I had to guess.

[Vanimal46]

Neither signs with the Twins.

 

Kimbrel to the Cubs or Dodgers. Keuchel signs with the Yankees.

[MNT1996]

 

Neither signs with the Twins.

Kimbrel to the Cubs or Dodgers. Keuchel signs with the Yankees.

 

Kimbrel to Dodgers isn't happening. Jansen wants the 9th to himself. 

[bird]

I won't predict an outcome regarding these two, but I think we're seeing hints about these two things:

 

First, other front office and scouting personnel around the league are coming out and saying they have no doubt the Twins are about to be buyers. This must be because of conversations, scouts at workouts, etc. This is the first year in a long time I've felt confident our FO is going into the deadline with determination.

 

Second, I think we're seeing that this FO sticks to an analytical and quantitative process. They probably have an indelible value sticker on the figurative forehead for both those guys, and for every other acquisition candidate out there. They also have assigned a value to their own prospects and will pull the trigger, if the seller lets them, if they like the numbers. Going about things with a strict quantitative model as part of the process really appeals to Jim Pohlad and his people at the big company.

 

My theory is that Falvine values draft picks and prospects with a much different mindset than Ryan did. Ryan feared pulling the trigger because of perceived risks of being wrong, whereas these guys will decline a deal only because their model tells them to. Because Kimbrell and Keuchel only require cash, the Twins have a chance to be in the hunt. But as Van points out, so are others with both deep pockets and prospect capital to expend.

[dbminn]

Jayson Stark of the Athletic noted yesterday that GMs believe the Twins are in on Kimbrell. Rosenthal mentions the Twins and Phillies as suitors, although his take is the Cubs are interested too. I bet he ends up with the Phillies. East coast team with plenty of money to spend. I can't see Falvine matching the price either the Phils or the Cubs might be willing to pay.

 

I think it's more likely the Twins sign Keuchel. It's been reported he's willing to sign a one-year contract. I could see either the Twins or Brewers willing to offer two years at a substantial sum - maybe with a player option. Just a guess.

[nicksaviking]

I want to predict the Twins get Kimbrel, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s dead set on staying on the East Coast, and that’s half of the reason he didn’t get signed this off season.

 

I will make a bold prediction though: Kuechel will remain unsigned.

[longstrangetrip]

Over their past 50 starts, Kyle Gibson has better stats than Dallas Kuechel...I really hope our front office doesn't bite on him.

 

Kimbrel is another matter entirely and may be the piece we need to really compete in the postseason.  I don't have a clue what our front office does this week, but I would not be opposed to spending some money on Kimbrel.

[USAFChief]

Concur with longstrangetrip...Kuechel doesnt do a lot for me.

 

Kimbrel, on the other hand, if healthy, makes a big difference in the pen.

[Blake]

 

Jayson Stark of the Athletic noted yesterday that GMs believe the Twins are in on Kimbrell. Rosenthal mentions the Twins and Phillies as suitors, although his take is the Cubs are interested too. I bet he ends up with the Phillies. East coast team with plenty of money to spend. I can't see Falvine matching the price either the Phils or the Cubs might be willing to pay.

 

I think it's more likely the Twins sign Keuchel. It's been reported he's willing to sign a one-year contract. I could see either the Twins or Brewers willing to offer two years at a substantial sum - maybe with a player option. Just a guess.

Keuchel is a more expensive and older version of Devin Smeltzer.

 

No thanks.

[Blake]

 

Concur with longstrangetrip...Kuechel doesnt do a lot for me.

Kimbrel, on the other hand, if healthy, makes a big difference in the pen.

Watch, the FO will ignore Kimbrel and find the arm the pen needs from a completely different source.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

Keuchel is a more expensive and older version of Devin Smeltzer.

 

No thanks.

Keep Smeltzer as the # 5 starter until he shows he can't do it... He is a special pitcher on a mission.

[luckylager]

There is a reason Kimbrel is unsigned at this point in the season, in spite of many teams being in desperate need of late inning help. I am not convinced that he is "the answer". I'm sure the Twins have their eyes on someone(s), I just don't expect it to be Kimbrel. 

[USAFChief]

There is a reason Kimbrel is unsigned at this point in the season, in spite of many teams being in desperate need of late inning help. I am not convinced that he is "the answer". I'm sure the Twins have their eyes on someone(s), I just don't expect it to be Kimbrel.

what would that reason be?

[luckylager]

 

what would that reason be?

Not sure, but there has got to be some "inside Baseball" reason that no one has picked him up. The Red Sox didn't make any real effort to resign him, despite having a very suspect bullpen. Didn't trust him in the WS. His velocity has dropped. Maybe he's broken.

[Thegrin]

Forget them both. Roll with what we got or can obtain in trades. 

[Blake]

 

Not sure, but there has got to be some "inside Baseball" reason that no one has picked him up. The Red Sox didn't make any real effort to resign him, despite having a very suspect bullpen. Didn't trust him in the WS. His velocity has dropped. Maybe he's broken.

I think teams have finally realized giving up draft picks for an expensive pitcher just isn't worth it. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Watch, the FO will ignore Kimbrel and find the arm the pen needs from a completely different source.

they need more than one reliever to make real serious post season push. I think the starters are good enough for the post season bullpen games.

 

The bullpen has been “good enough” mostly due to reduced exposure. All that goes out the window in a 7 game post season series.

 

Sign Kimbrel and try to swing a trade for the next Ryan Pressly

[Blake]

 

they need more than one reliever to make real serious post season push. I think the starters are good enough for the post season bullpen games.

The bullpen has been “good enough” mostly due to reduced exposure. All that goes out the window in a 7 game post season series.

Sign Kimbrel and try to swing a trade for the next Ryan Pressly

A right hander to complement Rogers might be enough, though.

 

It's going to be an interesting year and I can't wait to see what the new FO does. I'd much prefer a two year deal with whomever they bring in rather than a rental.

[Brock Beauchamp]

My gut says we'll pick up Kimbrel for 2 years. Probably around the 35mil range for 2 years if I had to guess.

I’d happily give Kimbrel a prorated $40m contract for two seasons.

 

The thing is that the *least likely* term length of a Kimbrel contract is two years. He’s going to either want one or three plus.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Concur with longstrangetrip...Kuechel doesnt do a lot for me.

 

Kimbrel, on the other hand, if healthy, makes a big difference in the pen.

I third that. I like Keuchel fine but is he better than Perez, Berrios, Gibson?

 

Maybe he is but probably not better enough to drop the opportunity cost of a huge bullpen improvement.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Not sure, but there has got to be some "inside Baseball" reason that no one has picked him up. The Red Sox didn't make any real effort to resign him, despite having a very suspect bullpen. Didn't trust him in the WS. His velocity has dropped. Maybe he's broken.

 

they gave him a QO... They wanted him on a 1 year deal, not a multi-year deal.

[Linus]

I think the obstacle for these guys signing was what they wanted not necessarily the draft pick. Wouldn’t the pick the twins give up be their third pick? That tells me his demands aren’t in the Twins wheelhouse

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I think the obstacle for these guys signing was what they wanted not necessarily the draft pick. Wouldn’t the pick the twins give up be their third pick? That tells me his demands aren’t in the Twins wheelhouse

 

The pick still affects all of it though. The Twins weren't sure if they would compete this year, so giving up a high 3rd round pick would be a questionable move, especially to sign an aging vet to a multi year deal (as he wasn't willing to take a 1 year deal at the time)… 

 

Now that said, I wonder if Kimbrel will take a 1 year deal. He cannot be offered a QO, and if he pitches like he has, he'd hopefully get a better deal than he likely will agree to today and sign tomorrow.

[Riverbrian]

 

I think the obstacle for these guys signing was what they wanted not necessarily the draft pick. Wouldn’t the pick the twins give up be their third pick? That tells me his demands aren’t in the Twins wheelhouse

 

Or any of the other 29 teams. 

 

Eventually, the draft pick does become a factor because the longer they go, the shorter the wait to simply keeping the draft pick becomes. 

 

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

well, both can officially be signed.. and neither is... 

 

Seriously MN... just offer him the QO contract pro-rated and get Kimbrell here. TF is full right now, so they will be making money regardless. 

[Tomj14]

Keuchel doesn't make sense to me on a 1 year deal, how many starters have missed this much time and came back great?

I have been on Kimbrel since day 1.

[KFEY93]

 

Neither signs with the Twins.

Kimbrel to the Cubs or Dodgers. Keuchel signs with the Yankees.

Why do you what the worst thing to happen!!!?

[KFEY93]

 

Jayson Stark of the Athletic noted yesterday that GMs believe the Twins are in on Kimbrell. Rosenthal mentions the Twins and Phillies as suitors, although his take is the Cubs are interested too. I bet he ends up with the Phillies. East coast team with plenty of money to spend. I can't see Falvine matching the price either the Phils or the Cubs might be willing to pay.

 

I think it's more likely the Twins sign Keuchel. It's been reported he's willing to sign a one-year contract. I could see either the Twins or Brewers willing to offer two years at a substantial sum - maybe with a player option. Just a guess.

Shame neither the Phillies or the cubs will make it to the series this year. 

[KFEY93]

 

Not sure, but there has got to be some "inside Baseball" reason that no one has picked him up. The Red Sox didn't make any real effort to resign him, despite having a very suspect bullpen. Didn't trust him in the WS. His velocity has dropped. Maybe he's broken.

Good thing we have a pitching coach that has been able to fix broken things