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If you listen to the sports talk shows and network announcers, you would never know that a small/mid market team in the Central Division has the best record in MLB and only the vaunted LA Dodgers are close. I won't mention that team's name because the longer it remains a secret, the better. Granted, that unnamed team still has to step up against the top dogs and I can't wait. I do know that that unnamed team is a team that no one wants to play right now. I will go out on a limb and say that no one will want to play that team in October either.

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I would set the low bar for respect at “win a playoff series”. The Astros, Red Sox and Yankees get the respect they are due. The Twins need to earn it.

Concur, and in addition they've been between awful and mediocre for the better part of a decade.
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I would set the low bar for respect at “win a playoff series”. The Astros, Red Sox and Yankees get the respect they are due. The Twins need to earn it.

Partially disagree. Red Sox and Yankees get disproportionate media coverage because they're "major market" teams; ie, millions of local fans because of their population centers, not necessarily out of "respect". More followers begets more ad money, more ad money begets more media coverage.

 

"Respect" by the way is about the most overworked word in the major league sports world. Some players are always whining about being "disrespected" no matter how well, or poorly, they or their teams are playing. I suppose to fire up their fans, but it sounds pretty lame to me. Sounds like they're spoiled brats that think they should be anointed to priesthood or something similar.

 

Of course I'm from a generation when athletes were polite, composed, complimentary of their opponents and let their playing on the field do the talking. Guys like Killebrew, Carew, Tony O, etc. You know, what we used to call sportsmanship back in the Good Ol' Days. So take my opinion with a grain of salt. As long as you don't "diss" me.

 

As far as the Twins and national media coverage; like some have said, it won't happen until they're in the playoffs and playing before a national audience. Because they're suddenly "respected"? I suppose to some degree. But more likely because more viewers means more ad money and all these "unknown" Twins players will suddenly be "discovered".

 

 

 

 

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I’m kind of in between. While I do understand that the Twins are in a weak division, and haven’t won anything in a long time, having the best record in all of baseball at this point of the season does deserve mention in the conversation. However, I’m also fine being the ‘little engine that could’ and being discounted now only to listen to the national broadcasters in late October fumble and trip over themselves when we win it all. :)

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Partially disagree. Red Sox and Yankees get disproportionate media coverage because they're "major market" teams; ie, millions of local fans because of their population centers, not necessarily out of "respect". More followers begets more ad money, more ad money begets more media coverage.

 

"Respect" by the way is about the most overworked word in the major league sports world. Some players are always whining about being "disrespected" no matter how well, or poorly, they or their teams are playing. I suppose to fire up their fans, but it sounds pretty lame to me. Sounds like they're spoiled brats that think they should be anointed to priesthood or something similar.

 

Of course I'm from a generation when athletes were polite, composed, complimentary of their opponents and let their playing on the field do the talking. Guys like Killebrew, Carew, Tony O, etc. You know, what we used to call sportsmanship back in the Good Ol' Days. So take my opinion with a grain of salt. As long as you don't "diss" me.

 

As far as the Twins and national media coverage; like some have said, it won't happen until they're in the playoffs and playing before a national audience. Because they're suddenly "respected"? I suppose to some degree. But more likely because more viewers means more ad money and all these "unknown" Twins players will suddenly be "discovered".

 

Yep... They have meetings and numerous email exchanges between the air talent, producers, program directors, sales directors. In those meetings and emails they talk about the need for even more Yankee, Dodger, Red Sox coverage because that is where the numbers that gain them a larger audience are.

 

Bob in Little Falls listening to the broadcast waiting for a good Twins discussion just can't compete with the potential audience of Yankee fans who want Cashman fired because Arenado signed an extension with the Rockies.  

 

They all know how the bread gets buttered. 

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FWIW, ESPN power ranking have the Twins second behind Houston. No respect?

 

I just got a MLB At-Bat notification on my phone this morning with the fresh power ranking. 

 

Twins were 4th behind the Astro's, Dodgers and Yankees. 

 

Apparently we have to win another 5 in a row to get to third.  :)

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I just got a MLB At-Bat notification on my phone this morning with the fresh power ranking.

 

Twins were 4th behind the Astro's, Dodgers and Yankees.

 

Apparently we have to win another 5 in a row to get to third. :)

I mean, if people just want rankings by record, there is a thing called the standings for that.

I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to consider other variables when giving power rankings. The Yankees have like 17 guys on the IL, and are still winning, and the Astros and Dodgers are proven postseason winners. This ranking feels about right to me.

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Rant/

This has always been circular to me. Major market teams get more attention than smaller market teams. Fans of smaller market teams start talking about specific major market teams getting more attention. Thereby giving major market teams more attention. /rant

 

While it would be nice to be able to read more national takes about the Twins, those articles are rarely insightful. In the last few years, I’ve not looked for anything about the Twins on the ESPN or MLB front pages. I have my self-curated Twins-specific news pipeline, and similarly a general baseball news pipeline. I’m happy with that. The national writers worth reading tend to distribute coverage more evenly anyhow.

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I mean, if people just want rankings by record, there is a thing called the standings for that.

I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to consider other variables when giving power rankings. The Yankees have like 17 guys on the IL, and are still winning, and the Astros and Dodgers are proven postseason winners. This ranking feels about right to me.

No need for weekly power rankings with that format.

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I personally think that fans pay too much attention to whatever power rankings there are out there. So what if some no names who think they're hotshot baseball analysts put the Twins in 4th place on a power rankings list? You know Rocco and the players don't pay attention to that garbage. The only thing that matters are wins and the end prize of the WS trophy. Should we care if we don't get respect from ESPN or MLB for winning? No. 

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I would set the low bar for respect at “win a playoff series”. The Astros, Red Sox and Yankees get the respect they are due. The Twins need to earn it.

If we are going to be consigned to waiting for "respect" from the "national media" then we might be waiting an awful long time for something that may never come.  I honestly could care less about what ESPN or some national publication might say about this team.  I just want us to win meaningful games in the postseason.  We have won precisely ONE postseason game in 17 seasons and we were there a bunch of times last decade only to get slaughtered like lambs while every other team in our division made it to the World Series.  Enough of the woe is me "we don't get enough love from ESPN" garbage.  I just don't want to hear it.

 

And by the way.....

I live in NY (granted not in the metro area) and people are talking about this team.  Perhaps they are friends and acquantances of mine being kind, but they have been mentioned on WFAN here by hosts who are big baseball fans.  Just a couple of weekends ago Rocco Baldelli was a guest on Talking Baseball with Ed Randall on Sunday morning.  This is a national baseball show based out of NY and he and the Twins were given HUGE praise.  People who care about baseball know the Twins are good.....RIGHT NOW.  And there is the rub.  I am interested in this team doing something in the postseason.  If we win 100 games and get swept out in the first round AGAIN, what then?  Are we still wondering about why we aren't getting "respect"??

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This has always been circular to me. Major market teams get more attention than smaller market teams. Fans of smaller market teams start talking about specific major market teams getting more attention. Thereby giving major market teams more attention. /rant

While it would be nice to be able to read more national takes about the Twins, those articles are rarely insightful. In the last few years, I’ve not looked for anything about the Twins on the ESPN or MLB front pages. I have my self-curated Twins-specific news pipeline, and similarly a general baseball news pipeline. I’m happy with that. The national writers worth reading tend to distribute coverage more evenly anyhow.

This.  So this.

 

The baseball minds know this team is very good and very dangerous right now.  I was at my nephew's graduation in Cornell yesterday and I wore a red Twins cap.  A guy from NH chatted me up in passing and he only wanted to say how much the Twins were kicking ass this year.  Who cares what ESPN says?  Who even watches ESPN anymore!

 

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I don't understand why anyone cares. Why do people care if "the media" are covering their favorite team or not? Genuine question, why do you care?

Who cares why anyone cares? I don’t think anyone truly does. It’s just a talking point.

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A couple of weeks ago, I saw a clip on CBS Sports where a guy was doing his power rankings and he had the Twins at #1. He said he was "sick of people not giving the Twins respect."

 

I think the Twins are getting respect. ESPN likes to talk about the Yankees, but otherwise they give roughly equal time to everybody else. I live near Wrigley where every game is a sellout and everyone in the stadium is decked out in Cubs gear -- going to a Cubs game is the closest most of us will get to experiencing a cult -- and unless you have seen this you wouldn't know it existed because mass media doesn't talk about it. Wrigley Field is not for watching baseball, it's for watching the Cubs.

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I'm curious why we are all curious about people being curious about people caring

I don't think your question is a topic anyone should care about. I mean really, why should you be curious why we are all curious about people being curious about people caring, when you come right down to it?

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I’ve spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.

 

I do not think it means what you think it means

Jonah Keri had Twins #1. I care more about his thoughts than espn, mlb, etc. Plus, who cares?

 

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